Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Robert, if the 480i output of the newer players is still fubar then passing on whatever information to them would seem to be somewhat useless. They fixed the lip sync drift that they had with the UB900 in 2016 after it was brought to their attention, true enough, but when it comes to video processing it's their way or the high way, it works seemingly as intended and they're not going to change it because of some crank on a forum (and I mean me, not you). I just calls as I sees 'em, literally in this case.

I gave up on DVD and VHS a fair bunch while ago, And non-anamorphic DVDs using the component video outputs are prehistory.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by grodd

Geoff D, & Zohn

This might help

https://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/oppo...1705024457.htm

Panasonic frequently touts the superior quality of its own proprietary chroma upsampling method, and it’s true that this can result in higher color detail, again most notably on large projection-sized setups. For example, the red and blue diagonal lines on the Spears & Munsil test disc’s Color Space checker appeared less jagged on Panasonic’s UB900 when compared to the OPPO UDP-203. On the other hand, Panasonic’s extra chroma processing resulted in the side-effect of false-colored ringing in flatter areas like color bars (or for a real-world example, logos), whereas OPPO’s simpler chroma scaling did not.

Hey hey, I wuznt making it up after all. Whaddaya know?

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I gave up on DVD and VHS a fair bunch while ago, And non-anamorphic DVDs using the component video outputs are prehistory.

No, you misunderstand me, sorry. I don't mean using the player at 480i output, I mean when it's actually PLAYING 480i content like a DVD (which some people still do, just because you don't doesn't mean no-one else is) it looks really jaggy and poorly deinterlaced. 576i PAL discs are NOT affected by the same issue.

[LordoftheRings]

Geoff, I exaggerated a bit when mentioning VHS and component video outputs.
I knew that you meant 480 interlaced DVDs played by different 4K BR players and how each one handle the processing.

I have no clue on the total percentage of people playing those from their 4K Blu-ray players, zero.

* As for my earlier post, I accidentally clicked on submit before I was finished. It's tough to type on a small portable device away from the comfort of your palace.

[LordoftheRings]

CAN IMPRESSIVE SOUND AND VISION MAKE PANASONIC’S DP-UB9000 FLAGSHIP UHD BLU-RAY PLAYER KING OF THE 4K JUNGLE?

[Robert Zohn]

Nice article ^ with an accurate overview of the specs and design.

[LordoftheRings]

To me it looks as elegant as the Oppo 203 machine.

I know I know I know; it won't play SACD and DVD-audio for the millions of people who don't have any of those. And unfortunately it comes with apps, so some people might feel very unhappy.

But fear not, it plays 4K discs and Blu-ray Audio discs (Pure Audio). ...3D too, of course.

I am NOT a Panasonic representative, I am representing the full multiverse.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NVPL...ature=youtu.be

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

Nice article ^ with an accurate overview of the specs and design.

It's fresh, it's new, it's today June first two-thousand eighteen.
They are making them, all doors are open.

[CYMBOL]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

On every report I give to the engineers and product management I stress the importance of Dolby Vision HDR for profile 4 and 5 which includes the low latency protocol. On my last report they immediately responded telling me not to remind them about low latency compatibility again.

At first I thought they just did not like my persistence, but in retrospect I now think they just know that profile 4 and 5 must be included in the decoding so the players will be compatible with every DV TV on the market.

Thank you Panasonic for listening to the market needs and being responsive.

I hope that's true as a Sony 940E owner, but I'd love to see an actual confirmation.

If so, I'll definitely be picking one of these up. That confirmation is the only thing holding me back.

Please be true!

[alien2010]

Originally Posted by unknownuser0001

So the OLED setting is 1000 nits, great. Exactly works as on the FZ OLED which is great.
Specially interesting to hear that the HDR Optimizer is also a high bit mapping feature so it can recover color details as well and smooth gradient. But a DV comparison will give definite answers but I won't invest into that buggy DV ecosystem with like less than 10 movies which I'd like to watch. 420+FZ800 for me is enough.

And the fact that all of these video features you can have on the 220 euros 420 is just awesome and kills competition. But even for double the price,the 820 with DV is just a no brainer.

Got the Pannasonic UB240 just now, really surprised at how small it is, nearly 40% smaller than my UB700. Haven’t plugged it in yet since I’m getting a QLED next week. Got a Samsung 4K at Christmas for half price and I’m getting a 2018 QLED for the same (mate of mine works in for an electronic good outlet and his branch is closing down, thankfully he still has a job ) Looks like DV will be a miss for me, however with Amazon and WB? Investing in HDR10+ hopefully the algorithm format won’t go hungry.

[Gneissoid]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Here's a post detailing the 480i issue: https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...5#post14660725

Hey wow, I emailed Rob a link to that thread at the end of April, back when I was still deciding whether or not to grab the Oppo. It must have gone to spam, right? Right?

Joking aside, I have way too much animation on DVD that doesn't have a snowball's chance in hell of coming out on Blu-ray. I figured the Oppo would be the last of a generation of 4k players to have good DVD playback. It's not like the 203 is a slouch in other areas, so I decided to go for it. If I can be proven wrong and Panasonic ends up fixing their DVD playback, then all the better for everyone, I guess!

[LordoftheRings]

I enjoyed watching this video earlier posted by one of the members here.
It sparkles good news for many videophiles using 4K front projectors and 4K flat TV panels.

• https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=297

It's nice.

[JohnAV]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

I enjoyed watching this video earlier posted by one of the members here.
It sparkles good news for many videophiles using 4K front projectors and 4K flat TV panels.

• https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=297

It's nice.

Considering that the UB9000 is pitched to audiophiles with the raised price, not much was really said, yes I know thats not Vincent's forte as he said he really needs to invest in a audio setup. Its certainly an interesting case study to see how it sells compared to more economical UB820.

[LordoftheRings]

John, Panasonic is following the markets. One high end player for the high end people, and another player for the mid end people. It's very similar to what Oppo has been doing for several years...93, 95, 103, 105, 203, 205.

The 820 might have the same video processor as the 9000, but without the XLR balanced connections, the build quality, the more advanced analog audio section, and further refinements.

We are still @ the precipice of HDR10+ and Dolby Vision, time is needed to get there, to improve our 4K displays, to fine tune them panels, to take advantage of what it could be, to implement better with better front projectors, to make this world a better one today and tomorrow.

Us @ Panasonic we are advancing that challenge, like Oppo did for so many years before.
We are happy to play.

[HDTV1080P]

quote


"While the DP-UB9000 is scheduled to arrive in Europe this October for around 1,000, Panasonic hasn’t yet determined if the player will be sold in the U.S. Here’s hoping it is: With Oppo Digital’s departure from player manufacturing, there will be a gap for high-performance Ultra HD players that address the needs of both videophiles and audiophiles. Fortunately, the UB9000’s chroma upsampling and HDR Optimiser features will be available in other models the company is releasing in the U.S. this summer, including the UB820 ($499). Sound & Vision is currently working on a review of the UB820, so keep an eye out for it in a future issue."

Read more at https://www.soundandvision.com/conte...KiHXLdHzg9Z.99

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by Robert Zohn

I am the advocate for the a/v enthusiasts and have a respected relationship with all manufacturers and the top product and engineering management.

My annual TV Shootout (now on our 15th year) and my professional TV Broadcast engineering background along with my love for premium consumer a/v and tenacious personality have given me a valued negotiation position within the industry.

If it's one thing I would like the people in charge to know, is that they have got to bring back 3D capability on their TVs.

Did you ever happen to have a conversation about that with any representative by any chance? I would like to know how they feel about the fact there are still thousands of people around the world who want/need 3D on a new TV but are now left out in the cold. A simple feature that has been a standard since 2010 and which doesn't cost much more to include has just vanished for no good reason at all...

Anyway, still no sign of the 820 in my country though they are selling them in Germany now. I'm still waiting for (user) reviews specifically dealing with comments on usage for projectors before purchasing one though.

[HDTV1080P]

Originally Posted by DJR662

If it's one thing I would like the people in charge to know, is that they have got to bring back 3D capability on their TVs.

Did you ever happen to have a conversation about that with any representative by any chance? I would like to know how they feel about the fact there are still thousands of people around the world who want/need 3D on a new TV but are now left out in the cold. A simple feature that has been a standard since 2010 and which doesn't cost much more to include has just vanished for no good reason at all...

Anyway, still no sign of the 820 in my country though they are selling them in Germany now. I'm still waiting for (user) reviews specifically dealing with comments on usage for projectors before purchasing one though.

3D is alive and well with most projectors, but I do agree 3D needs to come back to consumer flat panels. Around 2014 or 2015 I suggested that all 4K Ultra HD flat panels should have the passive 1080P 3-D feature built in. This would have only raised manufacturing costs around $50 on each 4K flat panel. It would be really cool if every 4K display had the 1080P passive 3D chipset built in for a extra $50. One would buy at pair of 3D glasses for around $10 each if they decide to use the 3D feature.

[kurtlingle]

Robert,

Sorry if this is a dumb question.
Do you know how well a player like this will take a 4k disk and downconvert to 1080p?

I've been buying 4k UHD's this year, and am waiting for a projector that works for me. Currently I have the BenQ w1070. I'm wondering, will a UHD downconverted to 1080p look better than a regular Blu-ray?

[HDTV1080P]

100% of all 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray players well downscale native 4K discs to 1080P if one does not own a 4K display yet. Many well also downscale to 1080i, 720p, 480P, and 480i if the consumer needs it for a really old display.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

3D is alive and well with most projectors, but I do agree 3D needs to come back to consumer flat panels. Around 2014 or 2015 I suggested that all 4K Ultra HD flat panels should have the passive 1080P 3-D feature built in. This would have only raised manufacturing costs around $50 on each 4K flat panel. It would be really cool if every 4K display had the 1080P passive 3D chipset built in for a extra $50. One would buy at pair of 3D glasses for around $10 each if they decide to use the 3D feature.

My eyes are very sensitive to the FPR that's needed to convey passive 3D on a direct view display, so I wouldn't want my 2D viewing compromised just for an occasional 3D viewing.

[LordoftheRings]

Before they killed 3D you have the option of 2D TVs and 3D TVs that can also do 2D.
That option is no more now with 4K, except for your Sony TV and mine Geoff.

Front projector owners have advantages; more 3D PJs, larger pictures, more immersive cinematic impact, more 3-dimensionality, ...and new Panasonic 4K/3D players.

When Avatar 2 shows up in 3D, watch out. It'll be a new ball game in the history of cinema and home theaters.
《•》 December 2020 > https://movieweb.com/avatar-2-3d-tec...james-cameron/