Panasonic UB820/UB9000 4K UHD Blu-ray player

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

I never once had "soap opera effect" with BDs or DVDs on my old setup. I've noticed it at other people's homes a few times on BDs where their TVs had motion smoothing, but as I mentioned, my TV didn't have it.

However, when I first saw a UHD player playing a UHD disc (Black Hawk Down) onto a UHD TV, about six months ago, this slight SOE was there, we couldn't turn it off, even after we shut off every motion smoothing setting in the TV.

Then, last week, I bought a dirt cheap Panasonic UHD player by accident, the Panasonic DP-UB150EB, for $100. I hooked it up to my HDTV and there was slight SOE as the UHD player played a UHD of It's a Wonderful Life.

I returned that machine, because it was junk and had no separate audio output, and replaced it with this machine.

When I hooked up this machine last night, there was SOE as well on UHD discs - but it varied a lot from disc to disc. The Post had it pretty badly, Jurassic Park had it mildly, War of the Worlds had it minimally, Hook didn't have it at all.

Also, to be clear, I played the BDs of those titles, and they did not have it, it was only the UHDs that had it.

I looked carefully for any motion smoothing settings on the TV, but there aren't any that I can find.

I was afraid UHD was just inherently going to look like this, until I tried Aunt Peg's trick, which seemed to make it go away.

I aks again: did you have the 24p turned off on your old players as well?

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by wxman2003

Perhaps there is an issue with the Panny converting HDR2020 to SDR709 at 24p that your tv can not handle properly. Most of us don't have the player convert HDR2020 to SDR709, unless they have a projector.

My bet, when you hook it up to you new 4K tv, you won't have any issue with 24p being sent to the tv, from the Panny.

That would be wonderful, but the mild motion smoothing I saw on The Post last night, hooked up to my old HDTV, looked identical to the mild motion smoothing I saw with Black Hawk Down on my friend's UHD TV.

Again, this wasn't the really obvious motion smoothing that makes things look like The Hobbit, it was subtle enough that my friend and his GF didn't notice it, but I couldn't see anything else.

I'll definitely report in as soon as my UHDTV is hooked up, and I'll try toggling that setting Aunt Peg mentioned on and off, and see what the impact is.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I aks again: did you have the 24p turned off on your old players as well?

I don't believe so, I've already unhooked the machine, so I'd have to hook it back up to check, but I'm 99.99999% sure the answer is no.

Also, even with the 24p setting on, there was no SOE on BDs on this UHD machine, it was only on UHD discs, and it wasn't even on all of them.

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

That would be wonderful, but the mild motion smoothing I saw on The Post last night, hooked up to my old HDTV, looked identical to the mild motion smoothing I saw with Black Hawk Down on my friend's UHD TV.

Again, this wasn't the really obvious motion smoothing that makes things look like The Hobbit, it was subtle enough that my friend and his GF didn't notice it, but I couldn't see anything else.

I'll definitely report in as soon as my UHDTV is hooked up, and I'll try toggling that setting Aunt Peg mentioned on and off, and see what the impact is.

I have watched that disc on my LG E6 OLED, and saw no motion smoothing with 24p on in the player, and I can notice any form of SOE too.

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

I understand that this is the accepted wisdom, but I can find no motion smoothing settings within my TV. If anyone can point me to some hidden motion smoothing setting in my TV, that would be super helpful, but how would it only impact video signals from UHDs and not BDs?

I must have missed it, but I don't see the exact model TV you were using.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by pbz06

I must have missed it, but I don't see the exact model TV you were using.

The sticker on the back says it's a Series 5 LN40C530 AC100-240V - 50/60Hz 190W. If I remember right, there was a 120Hz version of that TV also available, which could produce motion smoothing, and I purposely didn't buy it.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

The sticker on the back says it's a Series 5 LN40C530 AC100-240V - 50/60Hz 190W. If I remember right, there was a 120Hz version of that TV also available, which could produce motion smoothing, and I purposely didn't buy it.

Which ironically enough may have been better for 24fps playback, i.e. just because it had motion smoothing doesn't mean you actually had to turn it on, and the 120Hz panel will give a truer reproduction of 24p content. But hey, you're getting a new TV so this is a moo point (did you say what one? I missed it if so).

[Paul.R.S]

Does "Motion Rate MR 120" not mean that the TU8000 is a natively 120Hz refresh rate panel?

https://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...000fxza/#specs

I think this is the "new display" at issue.

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by James Luckard

The sticker on the back says it's a Series 5 LN40C530 AC100-240V - 50/60Hz 190W. If I remember right, there was a 120Hz version of that TV also available, which could produce motion smoothing, and I purposely didn't buy it.

Well refresh rate of TV is a separate thing to "motion smoothing", just one of those things where you need a higher refresh rate in order to add more frames (interpolated or smoothed etc.) if you want to. But having a higher refresh rate is never a bad thing.

24p material fits into 120hz refresh rate very nicely and evenly...as Geoff pointed out.

Any 24p content displayed on a 60hz refresh rate would need 3:2 pulldown. If anything, it would mean jerkier and more jittery motion and not smoother.

Also, depends on how that TV handles it. There's a chance it inherently smoothes it out to some extent and there's no way of defeating it...I haven't looked up your TV yet, but a 60hz native panel likely means it's middle to lower tier TV.

Unless you can confirm your exact settings on both the player and TV, not much we can help other than speculate...but I promise you the UB9000/820 do not have any undefeatable motion smoothing. It can natively send 24p material and it does so by default. Perhaps if you disabled it in the player, it might be doing something?

[wxman2003]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

Does "Motion Rate MR 120" not mean that the TU8000 is a natively 120Hz refresh rate panel?

https://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...000fxza/#specs

I think this is the "new display" at issue.

I'm not sure but perhaps the RTINGS review can help.

https://www.rtings.com/tv/reviews/samsung/tu8000

[Freezy]

James Luckard, if you have been watching 24p material with a 60 Hz output for years, then maybe you are so used to the juddering that a proper 24p 24 Hz playback without the 3:2 pulldown looks "too" smooth for you and you think it's some sort of Motion Smoothing?

[pbz06]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

Does "Motion Rate MR 120" not mean that the TU8000 is a natively 120Hz refresh rate panel?

https://www.samsung.com/us/televisio...000fxza/#specs

I think this is the "new display" at issue.

That TV is native 60hz. The "motion rate" is a software implementation that interpolates frames for smoothing.

Samsung is really good with their marketing names and features They also have a MR240!

[bnmdjm]

Originally Posted by Freezy

James Luckard, if you have been watching 24p material with a 60 Hz output for years, then maybe you are so used to the juddering that a proper 24p 24 Hz playback without the 3:2 pulldown looks "too" smooth for you and you think it's some sort of Motion Smoothing?

This feels like the obvious answer.

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by pbz06

That TV is native 60hz. The "motion rate" is a software implementation that interpolates frames for smoothing.

Samsung is really good with their marketing names and features They also have a MR240!

Thanks.

And yeah re the TU8000, per that RTINGS review:

Motion Interpolation:

Motion Interpolation (30 fps) - Yes
Motion Interpolation (60 fps) - No

The Samsung TU8000 can interpolate lower frame rate content up to 60fps. To use the motion interpolation feature, set Picture Clarity to 'On' and Judder Reduction to '10'. It automatically sets the backlight to flicker at 120Hz, which may cause some duplication, although there's less duplication than the Samsung Q60/Q60T QLED.

24p Judder:

Judder-Free 24p - Yes
Judder-Free 24p via 60p - No
Judder-Free 24p via 60i - No
Judder-Free 24p via Native Apps - Yes

Update 08/03/2020: We've updated the TV to the latest firmware (Version 1301). The TV can now remove judder from 24p sources and from native apps, but only when Picture Clarity is disabled. It can't remove judder from 60i or 60p sources. The score has been adjusted accordingly.

This TV removes judder from native 24p sources. Picture Clarity must be disabled for it to work.

[Paul.R.S]

Re the UB820:

Did Panny drop SD card support? It's not mentioned in the specs so that tends to mean it ain't included.

[Mobe1969]

Originally Posted by Paul.R.S

Re the UB820:

Did Panny drop SD card support? It's not mentioned in the specs so that tends to mean it ain't included.

It doesn't have a slot for it. I guess though if you had a USB plug in reader it'd work

[Paul.R.S]

Originally Posted by Mobe1969

It doesn't have a slot for it. I guess though if you had a USB plug in reader it'd work

Sigh. Thanks.

[James Luckard]

Originally Posted by Freezy

James Luckard, if you have been watching 24p material with a 60 Hz output for years, then maybe you are so used to the juddering that a proper 24p 24 Hz playback without the 3:2 pulldown looks "too" smooth for you and you think it's some sort of Motion Smoothing?

It's conceivable, but I don't think so, because I went to movies (back when we did that) once or twice a week, at least, and so I'm familiar with how 24fps ought to look through a digital format, and my TV always looked fine.

Good news is I just got my UHDTV set up and turned on "Filmmaker Mode."

The Post - the worst offender - looked fine. I'm eating lunch, then will try turning that 24p setting on the player back to AUTO and see if The Post still looks fine.

That said, last night, without that setting turned off, Meryl Streep's movement looked almost straight out of The Hobbit, haha

[Paul.R.S]

James:

Once you get things set up, I think it would be interesting to note your preferred settings without FM on and then turn it on and see what changes. My 2019 Sammy QLED has a "Movie Mode" but not FM. I think FM was a 2020 rollout--I recall us getting the vid on social with TC and McQ advertising the Mode earlier this year.

[dcx4610]

Here's a question that I think I know the answer to but want to confirm. I was watching the Criterion version of Silence of the Lambs last night. I picked the DTS 2.0 Master Audio option and noticed that there was sound coming from my surrounds.

Is this how Dolby works? From what I understand, despite is saying 2.0, it phases the stereo and puts it in your surround and center channels with a proper decoder?