4K Movies Releases

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Never discount dat "corporate synergy", especially when one division keeps losing money while the other is one of the few success stories for Sony in recent times. Speaking of which, the situation you mention with the PS3 was a different time, no? Sony were first with standalone BD hardware IIRC so that was already its own thing compared to the PS3, but they've already made it quite clear that they're keeping UHD Blu at arm's length and that we won't be seeing a standalone player until 2017 at the earliest.

Actually, wasn't it third? Samsung had the first and I think Pioneer was second. As for corporate synergy the Sony BD player cost $999 and the PS3 (40GB model) was half that...and played CDs and was much faster to load and play. It undercut their standalone model in pretty much every way.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

It's kinda my thing

Being right?

Hmm, I missed you at the Stanford event in 2012 -
https://scien.stanford.edu/index.php...nd-poppy-crum/

mike, given your signature line “Dolby Vision is a company grasping at relevance” and your ‘thing’ perhaps you could speak from noon – 12:30 in Track 3….
http://displayweek.org/2016/Program/MondaySeminars.aspx

or, if advanced color is more your thing, perhaps help out with the final draft for ICtCp…
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post11926895

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Actually, wasn't it third? Samsung had the first and I think Pioneer was second. As for corporate synergy the Sony BD player cost $999 and the PS3 (40GB model) was half that...and played CDs and was much faster to load and play. It undercut their standalone model in pretty much every way.

All fair points...but that's when Sony were still going full speed ahead with standalone BD hardware. The PS3 undercut it substantially but there was still a huge market for people who wanted a normal box with a normal remote that just played discs and didn't do any of that other bollocks (I was one such person) and at that time they were willing to pay a premium for it - although prices soon came down for standalones while the PS3 remained steady so that levelled things up pretty quickly.

But cut to 10 years later and things have changed because of the success of the PS3, its ubiquity has meant that people are much less averse to having a game console be their primary disc spinner. It's a fact that Sony has taken a rain check on standalone UHD Blu hardware, and it's looking very likely that the PS4K will have a $400/500 price point which in terms of cost will do little to undercut the current crop of UHD players.

Point being, people are a bit more savvy and there's very little in it now for Sony to release the PS4K UHD player and a standalone UHD deck for on or about the same price because they'll just be cannibalising sales from each other. If Sony then decide to make their machine "high end" to add value vs the PS4K they'll be battling the Oppo (also the Panasonic UHD deck in the case of Europe) and I think most HT geeks here would buy the Oppo every time. (mike need not apply)

I'm not saying they'll never do a UHD player, but if the PS4K really takes off then they won't have to.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

...when I get my player (using the test patterns on the Sony UHD discs)

Good to see at least one other reader is interested in the free (albeit modest) calibration signals on the Sony UHD Blu-ray discs which includes color stuff and triPQ grayscales.

[Geoff D]

What patterns does it actually include, Penton? It's odd no-one's mentioned any specifics in open conversation.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

^ I think I’ve always held a special fondness in my heart for movies based upon true events and accomplishments by special (real) people against all odds, somewhat similar to the one now currently available on Ultra HD Blu-ray, watch the nbcnews videoclip posted in the next to the last paragraph after the technical discussion with my friend Geoff from last December.

Even better if such movies can inspire to precipitate change in the real world in order to help make individuals and/or society a better (unselfish) place to live.

Over 10 years after the sentinel publication by Omalu et al (from the movie Concussion) showing evidence of CTE (and naming the entity itself) in a professional football player…

Abstract - http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/15987548

Full text (including photomicrographs of the player’s brain tissue) for those youngins contemplating a career in neuropath or neuroscience in general - http://www.jeannemarielaskas.com/wp-...NFL-part-1.pdf

In mid-March 2016, just two weeks ago, the Executive Vice President of the NFL acknowledges *the inconvenient truth*….http://www.nbcnews.com/news/us-news/...orders-n538381

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

What patterns does it actually include, Penton? It's odd no-one's mentioned any specifics in open conversation.

Heck, few acknowledged (perhaps only Jeff Meier - http://www.accucalhd.com/ )
the value of the free test signals for do-it-yourselfers included on the Sony (traditional) Blu-ray discs from years ago when I first revealed they were in development and then when they eventually launched with the specific title(s).

Anyway, what matters most is the journey to the prize.
If you need assistance with the test patterns, Site Manager Deci (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...8#post12033168 )
can help as he’s already become one of the advanced users.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Being right?

Given his opinions on HDR & Dolby Vision, object audio "contracts", LCD tech and other things I'd say the opposite is more likely.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Being right?

Hmm, I missed you at the Stanford event in 2012 -
https://scien.stanford.edu/index.php...nd-poppy-crum/

mike, given your signature line “Dolby Vision is a company grasping at relevance” and your ‘thing’ perhaps you could speak from noon – 12:30 in Track 3….
http://displayweek.org/2016/Program/MondaySeminars.aspx

or, if advanced color is more your thing, perhaps help out with the final draft for ICtCp…
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post11926895

HDR did not need another standard, it did not need a format that could be patented.
They need formats and patents to survive and them moving into video was a move into keeping them relevant.
Simple really

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Given his opinions on HDR & Dolby Vision, object audio "contracts", LCD tech and other things I'd say the opposite is more likely.

Yeah, but when mike gets too uppity with his “thing”, occasionally it’s satisfying
to bring him back down to reality .

I’m holding in reserve for another day info on the primary company input for SMPTE ST 2094 Application #1, if due to more uppity-ness, the need arises again in the future.

[Penton-Man]

^ But I don’t want to scare him entirely away though. So mike, here’s something you may be able to comment upon accurately. In your opinion, rather than Dolby,

do you feel Vizio, to use the words in your Signature ‘is a company grasping at relevance’, given…, or does what they say have merit? Should the UHD Alliance make public its entire spec and testing protocol to allay any doubts or fears by UHD consumers....or do it in the spirit of openess?

P.S.
My Disclosure sentiment: If one is seriously into critical viewing at home, I guess I’m more of an LG OLED Dolby Vision capable brand man myself.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Yeah, but when mike gets too uppity with his “thing”, occasionally it’s satisfying
to bring him back down to reality .

I’m holding in reserve for another day info on the primary company input for SMPTE ST 2094 Application #1, if due to more uppity-ness, the need arises again in the future.

You don't sacre me, nor did you bring me anywhere but ok.
I would have to agree with you for you to bring me down...

Oh and don't quote THX means the ignore list does not fully block the hate filled vitriol then.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Heck, few acknowledged (perhaps only Jeff Meier - http://www.accucalhd.com/ )
the value of the free test signals for do-it-yourselfers included on the Sony (traditional) Blu-ray discs from years ago when I first revealed they were in development and then when they eventually launched with the specific title(s).

Anyway, what matters most is the journey to the prize.
If you need assistance with the test patterns, Site Manager Deci (https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...8#post12033168 )
can help as he’s already become one of the advanced users.

I just wanna know what patterns are on there and what they've been mastered at. If there's a set of colour bars in 2020 (or P3 mapped to 2020) then that's all I need to know.

[Alfred E. Neumann]

Turbine Medien in Germany will release a 4k UHD of "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" soon.
First they tricked the fans with a german "The Evil Dead" and "Braindead" release announcement (still forbidden here), that was a joke.

But the "Chainsaw Massacre" UHD is no april fools joke!
Auro 3D and Dolby Atmos sound:

https://www.facebook.com/turbinemedi...type=3&theater

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by Alfred E. Neumann

Turbine Medien in Germany will release a 4k UHD of "Texas Chainsaw Massacre" soon.
First they tricked the fans with a german "The Evil Dead" and "Braindead" release announcement (still forbidden here), that was a joke.

But the "Chainsaw Massacre" UHD is no april fools joke!
Auro 3D and Dolby Atmos sound:

https://www.facebook.com/turbinemedi...type=3&theater

yeah... riiiiight. "whatever"

[Opips3]

Why..Why Disney Studio doesn't need THX for "Star Wars VII"??

All episodes I to VI have a THX.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I just wanna know...

if there is some calibration value in the free test patterns….and there is.

Ergo, purchase a Sony 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray movie and experiment with it yourself to find out.
(wrt the color spaces of ITU-R BT.2020, P3 and Rec. 709, there should be RGB CYM stuff on your product)

[Opips3]

Now, Auro 3D sound in popular Europe. Not America!

Sorry DTS-X.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....So mike, here’s something you may be able to comment upon accurately. In your opinion, rather than Dolby,

do you feel Vizio, to use the words in your Signature ‘is a company grasping at relevance’, given…, or does what they say have merit? Should the UHD Alliance make public its entire spec and testing protocol to allay any doubts or fears by UHD consumers....or do it in the spirit of openess?

P.S.
My Disclosure sentiment: If one is seriously into critical viewing at home, I guess I’m more of an LG OLED Dolby Vision capable brand man myself.

mike, no comment on the Vizio vs. UHD Alliance topic ^ above ?
Then, anyone? I'll put this controversy into perspective -

Here we have the consortium “created with the consumer in mind” (http://www.uhdalliance.org/ ) made up of companies which directly affect much of everything, one way or another, every thread in this Ultra HD Blu-ray and 4K forum and which is essentially being accused of incompetence or negligence by one consumer electronics company (American, no less) –
http://www.broadcastingcable.com/new...andards/154965

[Opips3]

Currently, new 2016 models there expensive. Later few of months, decrease price..roll that's why more cheap sale price.