Sony "Mastered in 4K" Blu-ray Titles May 14 and July 16

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Some of these finally reached Australia last month, however they are not available to purchase at Australian retailers, at this stage Sony are only giving them away for free to those that purchase one of their UHDtv's, promoting them in this way is a little misleading to consumers IMO.

[Show spoiler]

I saw one of those TVs on display at Fry's. Price was $5,500 USD. Pass.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

My TV supports it, but there doesn't seem to be any on-screen indicator which tells me that it's actually receiving xv colour. I've tried playing the Mi4K discs on my PS3, a Sony S790 and a Panasonic BDT320. Even when changing the PS3's Super White setting on the fly there doesn't seem to be any visible change. However, the players correctly display the xv colour test pattern on the Spears and Munsil v2 disc so I guess I must be getting it on the Mi4K discs too??

It says a lot about the extended colour that, if it is actually on, I can't tell the difference!

Yeah, it probably is active, but the visible difference is small. I know that Panasonic displays that support x.v.Colour, do indicate whether its receiving it. I am guessing you have a Sony display?

[Tech-UK]

This is quiet useful for Samsung owners:

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/Su...559&fm_seq=727

http://www.samsung.com/us/support/faq/FAQ00022401/22569

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

How would you rate the PQ?

Haven't looked yet...I upgraded 10 titles at once to get the 50% off discount making each upgrade from DVD only $2.50.

I'll check as soon as I can though.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Tech-UK

Yeah, it probably is active, but the visible difference is small. I know that Panasonic displays that support x.v.Colour, do indicate whether its receiving it. I am guessing you have a Sony display?

Yep. The set does actually have an 'xv colour space auto/on/off' option buried in the menu, so maybe I should fiddle with that when displaying the Spears and Munsil test pattern; I could also try turning the PS3 Super White on/off with the same pattern, see if the extended colour information disappears/reappears.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep. The set does actually have an 'xv colour space auto/on/off' option buried in the menu, so maybe I should fiddle with that when displaying the Spears and Munsil test pattern; I could also try turning the PS3 Super White on/off with the same pattern, see if the extended colour information disappears/reappears.

Connect the PS3 DIRECTLY to the 4K Sony display with High Speed HDMI. Superwhite on on the PS3. Leave the xv colour space in 'auto'. In the option menu on the TV go to scene select and select Cinema. You will see the xvYCC extended color gamut on your display when playing the MI4K Sony BDs.

I tried to tell you this in another thread, but you ignored me. It is hit and miss routing the video through an AVR. 2 way communication via HDMI is required for the Player to 'see' that the display is ready to receive xvYCC and for the display to 'see' that the player is sending it. Once you have established that you are seeing the extended color gamut xvYCC, connect the AVR back up and see if it is getting passed through from player to display.


https://us.en.kb.sony.com/app/answer...Sony%204K%20TV



"Sony had also included many underwater scenes and nature scenes. As we discussed in our Ultra HD (4K) backgrounder article the new Ultra HD / 4K format is about more than just resolution. Sony have us a glimpse of what to come as some of the demos are encoded in a wider color gamut than regular Blu-rays and HD feeds. This kind of content requires a Sony Triluminos (such as the X9 or W9) to utilize the larger color gamut (x.v.Color).

It practically means that you can enjoy deeper red, blues and greens. In the demoes it was evident that Sony had been generous with color saturation in of its promotional scenes, but it also demonstrates how the more vivid and intense colors can improve the overall viewing experience. The layman will certainly notice the more intense colors, not achievable with normal Blu-rays. Just remember that right now only Sony’s Mastered in 4K Blu-ray can utilize the wider x.v.Color gamut. The Ultra HD standard have support for the even wider Rec.2020 color gamut, but as confirmed in the Functionality section, X9 does not support Rec.2020. Still, we believe that even x.v.Color is an important step forward in color reproduction."

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1376977553

[McCrutchy]

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment Japan will bring a Mastered in 4K Blu-ray edition of Lawrence of Arabia (1962) to Japan on December 20th.

Japan is also getting several of the other M4K BDs on the same day, but this is the only one that conceivably hasn't been announced elsewhere. It is listed as two discs, but I assume that the film will likely be split across them.

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment Japan will bring a Mastered in 4K Blu-ray edition of Lawrence of Arabia (1962) to Japan on December 20th.

Japan is also getting several of the other M4K BDs on the same day, but this is the only one that conceivably hasn't been announced elsewhere. It is listed as two discs, but I assume that the film will likely be split across them.

You...can't...be...serious.

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep. The set does actually have an 'xv colour space auto/on/off' option buried in the menu, so maybe I should fiddle with that when displaying the Spears and Munsil test pattern; I could also try turning the PS3 Super White on/off with the same pattern, see if the extended colour information disappears/reappears.

Yeah, that would be interesting to see the results. When you enable or disable the settings, I would turn off the gear and then back on again, just in case the setting hasn't been applied.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Sony Pictures Home Entertainment Japan will bring a Mastered in 4K Blu-ray edition of Lawrence of Arabia (1962) to Japan on December 20th.

Japan is also getting several of the other M4K BDs on the same day, but this is the only one that conceivably hasn't been announced elsewhere. It is listed as two discs, but I assume that the film will likely be split across them.

I sense another microscopic difference in the same vein as Taxi Driver with this one and its for the same reasons. What a rip.

[Blu-21]

Originally Posted by Cevolution

Some of these finally reached Australia last month, however they are not available to purchase at Australian retailers, at this stage Sony are only giving them away for free to those that purchase one of their UHDtv's, promoting them in this way is a little misleading to consumers IMO.

Mate, I'm guessing that's a big Blu-Ray case with all the individual discs stored on treys that you flip one after the other to find the movie you want to play?

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Connect the PS3 DIRECTLY to the 4K Sony display with High Speed HDMI. Superwhite on on the PS3. Leave the xv colour space in 'auto'. In the option menu on the TV go to scene select and select Cinema. You will see the xvYCC extended color gamut on your display when playing the MI4K Sony BDs.

I tried to tell you this in another thread, but you ignored me. It is hit and miss routing the video through an AVR. 2 way communication via HDMI is required for the Player to 'see' that the display is ready to receive xvYCC and for the display to 'see' that the player is sending it. Once you have established that you are seeing the extended color gamut xvYCC, connect the AVR back up and see if it is getting passed through from player to display.

You didn't tell me anything, you just asked if I was seeing the extended colour. I could be wrong here, you seem to think that the image will suddenly explode in a kaleidoscope of colour whenever xv colour is used, but that's not the case. It still uses the same Rec.709 colour space, it's just using the values below 16 and above 240 to provide an extension. Someone at AVS actually did an analysis of some of these Mi4K titles and they revealed slightly more saturation at certain points of the spectrum, but not a wholesale 'bump' in colour output. It'd take a braver man than I to pick out the xv colour on/off in a blind test.

Anyhoo, whenever I've mentioned trying to display xv colour on my kit I'm talking about a BD player connected DIRECTLY to my TV. Yes, I have a receiver but whenever I test for xv colour I bypass it, and I have already done exactly what you described above with my PS3. There is no specific indicator that my TV has which says it's actually displaying the extended colour; whenever I change the PS3's Super White setting on/off on the fly nothing appears to happen when playing an Mi4K disc.

As I said, I think the last thing left to try is turning the PS3 Super White on/off with the test pattern, see if it changes.

[I KEEL YOU]

Originally Posted by Blu-21

I sense another microscopic difference in the same vein as Taxi Driver with this one and its for the same reasons. What a rip.

LOA in remastered 4K is even more laughable than Taxi Driver. At least with Taxi Driver they increased the bit rate by around 10 mbps. With LOA, the current disc release is full as it is. And the picture quality is as good as it gets on blu ray, reference quality... Plus the normal LOA release was released only a year ago.

Unless of course, they decide to split the movie over 2 discs this time... Which would be annoying, to switch disc in the middle of the movie. But the difference would still be microscopic.

I can't believe Sony are doing this and re-releasing perfect releases again and again but with other studios we are stuck with transfers that weren't even great 6 years ago of some of the greatest movies ever. God damn it, Warner and Universal.

[eChopper]

was the current Lawrence maxed out? seems like a big movie to have on a single disc

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You didn't tell me anything, you just asked if I was seeing the extended colour. I could be wrong here, you seem to think that the image will suddenly explode in a kaleidoscope of colour whenever xv colour is used, but that's not the case. It still uses the same Rec.709 colour space, it's just using the values below 16 and above 240 to provide an extension. Someone at AVS actually did an analysis of some of these Mi4K titles and they revealed slightly more saturation at certain points of the spectrum, but not a wholesale 'bump' in colour output. It'd take a braver man than I to pick out the xv colour on/off in a blind test.

Anyhoo, whenever I've mentioned trying to display xv colour on my kit I'm talking about a BD player connected DIRECTLY to my TV. Yes, I have a receiver but whenever I test for xv colour I bypass it, and I have already done exactly what you described above with my PS3. There is no specific indicator that my TV has which says it's actually displaying the extended colour; whenever I change the PS3's Super White setting on/off on the fly nothing appears to happen when playing an Mi4K disc.

As I said, I think the last thing left to try is turning the PS3 Super White on/off with the test pattern, see if it changes.

Thanks, that is the feedback I was looking for. According to Sony Support, the direct connection with the settings I noted in my previous post should guarantee that you are viewing the extended xvYCC color gamut.

I read the AVS analysis several days ago, along with a multitude of other articles by people purporting to have equipment with xv color support. The results vary from "even a layman can see the difference" to "it's nothing but a Sony marketing gimmick". Add to that, some of them are using equipment that does not support xvYCC, such as the OPPO and Sony BDP-570.

I had hoped to see the difference on my kit as you call it, but while my PS3 and Pioneer Elite support xv color, my BDP-570 and display do not.

Most of the positive reports about the extended color gamut stress color saturation. On paper, there appears to be a significant difference between BT.709 and xvYCC, particularly in the 3D representation of the two. Have you seen that?

http://home.roadrunner.com/~res18h39/gamuts.htm

[Blu-Ray Maniac]

I'm a noob in theses ''4k'' releases. Can someone tell me why they never have any extras ??

[blu-ray_girl_fan]

Originally Posted by Blu-Ray Maniac

I'm a noob in theses ''4k'' releases. Can someone tell me why they never have any extras ??

Sony doesn't want the market flooded with cheap used discs dumped by people buying these re-releases.

Some of these discs have as much as 10 gigs of empty space.

[HeavyHitter]

Originally Posted by eChopper

was the current Lawrence maxed out? seems like a big movie to have on a single disc

Not sure, but I could see maybe very tiny improvement split over two discs. The improvement of Two Towers and Return of the King extended vs theatrical (two discs compared to one) was very minimal actually.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Thanks, that is the feedback I was looking for. According to Sony Support, the direct connection with the settings I noted in my previous post should guarantee that you are viewing the extended xvYCC color gamut.

I checked the settings last night and here is what I came up with, all in reference to the 'Clipping' test pattern on the Spears and Munsil v2 disc. I tried the players both direct to the TV and through my Yamaha amp, and had the same results.

The Panny BDT320 can pass xv colour, however the colour space setting on the TV must be set to xv colour manually because the auto option doesn't pick it up.

The slim PS3 is a little more complicated. The TV still needs to be set manually to decode xv colour, but even when the Super White option is set to OFF the PS3 still seems to pass some elements of the extended colour, as the concentric squares in the S&M test pattern still show up. The squares get more saturated when SW is set to ON, which I suppose is the correct setting, but I also discovered something else: when SW is set to OFF, the white range gets crushed to oblivion, so I'll leaving the SW option ON regardless.

So, basically if I enable xv colour in the TV's menu then it can display the extended range. But can I see a difference if I switch back and forth when watching an Mi4K disc (tried it with Spider-Man 2 and Ghosbusters)? What do you think?

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I checked the settings last night and here is what I came up with, all in reference to the 'Clipping' test pattern on the Spears and Munsil v2 disc. I tried the players both direct to the TV and through my Yamaha amp, and had the same results.

The Panny BDT320 can pass xv colour, however the colour space setting on the TV must be set to xv colour manually because the auto option doesn't pick it up.

The slim PS3 is a little more complicated. The TV still needs to be set manually to decode xv colour, but even when the Super White option is set to OFF the PS3 still seems to pass some elements of the extended colour, as the concentric squares in the S&M test pattern still show up. The squares get more saturated when SW is set to ON, which I suppose is the correct setting, but I also discovered something else: when SW is set to OFF, the white range gets crushed to oblivion, so I'll leaving the SW option ON regardless.

So, basically if I enable xv colour in the TV's menu then it can display the extended range. But can I see a difference if I switch back and forth when watching an Mi4K disc (tried it with Spider-Man 2 and Ghosbusters)? What do you think?

That is very interesting. Thanks Geoff. Where abouts does it start clipping white, when SW is set to OFF? Everything above 234? Is this still the case when you adjust the Contrast on your display?

Anything above 234 (reference white in a video system) is whiter than white, with only a select few Blu-ray titles with any information above 234 encoded. But calibrating to 237 - 240 is ok, to allow a little more headroom.