4K Blu-ray Confirmed, Coming in

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by singhcr

I find the HDR digital images to be more pleasing to look at....

Me too. Especially with the right ambient lighting. I also find the BBC HDR illustrations more pleasing - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...c#post10427997

Originally Posted by singhcr

...While I still highly prefer film as an acquisition and distribution method, the HDR images provide more depth, shadow detail, and more nuances; exactly the things I value with film. Remember, true use of HDR just brings out details that were originally captured in the first place.

It is tough to beat the organic look of film, no matter the format or size/shape. I still cherish my youngest stuff from yesteryear - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ar#post8883334

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

So you’re not just a pretty face who posts on Blu-ray.com and makes YouTube videos...you do watch movies from time to time.
For your reward, a colorfully constant pic not of….da brain, but….De eye (googlers shant find this pic on the internet) –



P.S. There’s cones in dar ^ .

And rods.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

For the HDR video...

Richard – LG hits out at OLED critics in Forbes….
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch...third-quarter/

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, the study was performed with next-gen (4K- HEVC enabled) broadcast in mind

then looking at how good it can be with 25mbps makes perfect sense since that is more or less the limit theuy need to work wuiithin (ATSC has/had 20mbps but with ATSC3.0 they believe they can get a bit higher ourt of the 6MHz constraint. But don't forget, like the graph shows the lower the bitrate the easier it is to have big gains by increasing it a bit because you eliminate the nastoieier crap at first and the finer stuff later.

But my take-home message to readers, at the risk of feeding a reply to the ‘pathetic’ poster from the last page, is that 100 GB Ultra HD Blu-ray discs are not ‘pathetic’ for 24fps movie content….far from it.

agree 100%. Especially when one considers

1) it will be as good as it gets
2) at a max BW of 108mbps (Is that official?) we get 48.6 GBph even if the encode used 100% of available BW the whole time (which would not make senses) it would fit over 2H of content on a 100GB disk. Now if they bump up the bitrate, it is a different story, but needing to get up half way through a 4h film is not that big of a deal and it is more than enough ( when taking the BW limit into perspective) for the vast majority of films.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Lake Forest Man Welcome.

Don’t know if you’re aware but Oakley Headquarters is just a tad north of you in Foothill Ranch and imo worth a visit, some reviews – http://www.yelp.com/biz/oakley-o-store-foothill-ranch

I say this because your location sparked a synaptic association…since we’re talking here about dynamic range (which, for practical purposes, starts with the camera), Oakley was founded by the same guy (Jim J.) who founded Red Digital Cinema Camera Co., see the linked vimeo clip - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ey#post8008604

Originally Posted by dvdmike

...a very elitist statement

Mike I think you may have over-reacted to AintNoSin’s (from Lake Forest) comment, whereas in contrast, you can file this behavior under self-righteous ignorant elitism, as although seen in the first quoted post above, I am a fan of Jim J.’s innovative spirit and lifelong fortitude for bucking the establishment by investigating and developing new products (grips, goggles, cameras), albeit with a heaping scoop of salesmanship included, but his same type of honest intellectual curiosity to science and technology apparently does not crossover to the Red Camera user forum where…

I’ve just learned thru a colleague that there used to be a thread on their site devoted to what people see/saw the color of *the dress* to be…..however…. the moderator-ship posted that the topic was too silly (i.e. beneath their intellect) to discuss it, ergo, something like an 8 or 10 page thread was entirely deleted by the intellectual geniuses of the forum administration. Poor show mods.

That ^ action taken, despite the fact that the scientists over at the only Ph.D. program in color science in the United States (which includes Oscar winners… http://cias.rit.edu/faculty-staff/85/faculty/746 ) as well as Dolby felt the issue important enough to offer their explanation(s) as to the etiology of the disparity in color perception among different individuals…. http://blog.dolby.com/2015/02/thedre...an-perception/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’ve just learned thru a colleague that there used to be a thread on their site devoted to what people see/saw the color of *the dress* to be…..however…. the moderator-ship posted that the topic was too silly (i.e. beneath their intellect) to discuss it, ergo, something like an 8 or 10 page thread was entirely deleted by the intellectual geniuses of the forum administration. Poor show mods. ...

P.S.
And, ironically, I notice after having just visited over there (to independently confirm my colleague’s information about the deletion), they have a recent thread started on 2/28 about ‘How to Fix Color Blindness’ which already has over 28,000 views!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Anthony P

...at a max BW of 108mbps (Is that official?)

‘officially’ (stated around CES 2015)…max data transfer rate of Ultra HD Blu-ray is 108 Mbps for the 66GB disc, 128 Mbps for the 100 GB disc. But, practically, 100 Mbps is close enough, see the titled "BDA_TechInfo" pdf file in the version4 download folders - http://phenix.it-sudparis.eu/jct/doc...nt.php?id=9870

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Me too. Especially with the right ambient lighting. I also find the BBC HDR illustrations more pleasing - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...c#post10427997

It is tough to beat the organic look of film, no matter the format or size/shape. I still cherish my youngest stuff from yesteryear - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ar#post8883334

But photochemically processed film looks better that all of this nonsense In my view of course, and the digital emulation of these effects does not come close.
Does the minority report bd look good, sure. Does it look like the 35mm, kinda sorta in places.

CCE ENR Bleach Bypass call it what you want, that is the look i love, that and the hyper pushed look Tony Scott favored that they try and recreate digitally (if the source is film or not) and it ends up as a teal and orange mess.
The Di made people lazy and this is the next step

[Tech-UK]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

But photochemically processed film looks better that all of this nonsense In my view of course, and the digital emulation of these effects does not come close.
Does the minority report bd look good, sure. Does it look like the 35mm, kinda sorta in places.

CCE ENR Bleach Bypass call it what you want, that is the look i love, that and the hyper pushed look Tony Scott favored that they try and recreate digitally (if the source is film or not) and it ends up as a teal and orange mess.
The Di made people lazy and this is the next step

Mike, what is your favourite 35mm shot film on Blu-ray in terms of PQ?

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Richard – LG hits out at OLED critics in Forbes….
http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnarch...third-quarter/

I think OLED has great potential when it comes to video quality but lifespan is an issue for OLED. Without some huge improvement in OLED lifespan I think that HDR could be a big problem for OLED.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Mike, do you have any video files, even just samples of your work to share with us or at least of a pic of your equipment so we can see where you’re coming from? If not, how ‘bout a more detailed description of the materials and methods (workflow) used, e.g. camera(s) (recording format), especially the media encoder and player?

You’re not out of that group from Coventry are you? I ask this because I notice from your signature, you speak to compression. So with regards to your HDR usage on video, are you talking about compressing 32 bits per color channel using video shot with off-the-shelf cameras?

Mike, with no response to this ^ , I take it that’s a ‘no’ and/or Penton, I don’t know what the hell you’re talking about in regards to compressing 32 bits per color channel.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

But photochemically processed film looks better that all of this nonsense...

You just made a small group in the lab at FotoKem jump for joy.

Will you at least throw us HDR proponents a bone and concede you agree with what’s been said in Dec. 2013 - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ws#post8520754 i.e. that broadcast football (soccer) will look better to you in HDR than SDR, with matches played during the early afternoon that suffer from stadium shadowing?

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Don’t know if you’re aware but Oakley Headquarters is just a tad north of you in Foothill Ranch and imo worth a visit, some reviews – http://www.yelp.com/biz/oakley-o-store-foothill-ranch

Well aware. A friend works there.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I say this because your location sparked a synaptic association…since we’re talking here about dynamic range (which, for practical purposes, starts with the camera), Oakley was founded by the same guy (Jim J.) who founded Red Digital Cinema Camera Co., see the linked vimeo clip - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ey#post8008604

I actually interviewed for a job there. Didn't get it, sadly.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

I think OLED has great potential when it comes to video quality but lifespan is an issue for OLED. Without some huge improvement in OLED lifespan I think that HDR could be a big problem for OLED.

That’s a fair concern given there’s relative inexperience with OLED HDR longevity. It would be more reassuring if someone offered some sort of pro-rated lifespan warranty guarantee like they do with auto batteries.

I guess it goes without saying that if the perishable date for OLED HDR displays in time proves to be significantly shorter than that of the typical lifespan for consumer television ownership (what is it now, 5 or 6 years?...down a little from 7 years) that there will be a lot of future angry OLED consumers someday….if said consumers care much about the value of a dollar.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Well aware. A friend works there.
I actually interviewed for a job there. Didn't get it, sadly.

Look a tad higher up north beyond, toward dem dar mountains and you’ll see where I’ve spent many a day riding my mountain bike in quests for vision.

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Look a tad higher up north beyond, toward dem dar mountains and you’ll see where I’ve spent many a day riding my mountain bike in quests for vision.

Watch out for those mountain lions.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Watch out for those mountain lions.

I know. "The tragic event" noted in the insert on the right - http://www.markreynoldsfund.org/ was an encounter with a mountain lion.

Whenever I ride in that neck of the woods, I don't go solo.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Whenever I ride in that neck of the woods, I don't go solo.

One has to wonder just how effective the buddy system would be against mountain lions

[AintNoSin]

Originally Posted by octagon

One has to wonder just how effective the buddy system would be against mountain lions

Very effective, if you're the faster buddy.

[octagon]

Originally Posted by AintNoSin

Very effective, if you're the faster buddy.

Dammit, I was just coming back to post that