LG's new OLED TVs

[ryanmcv]

Here's an interesting look inside one of LG's OLED factories. Pretty neat!

http://www.sciencechannel.com/tv-sho...ed-tv-factory/

[raygendreau]

CES 2016. LG will intro new OLEDs with 99% P3 and double the peak luminance of their 2015 displays.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.php...&id=1446462482

[varmintx]

That article doesn't go into 3D plans. Does anyone know if they're going to make a flat panel version of their 55" 3D TVs? I don't really want a curved screen.

[ryanmcv]

Originally Posted by varmintx

That article doesn't go into 3D plans. Does anyone know if they're going to make a flat panel version of their 55" 3D TVs? I don't really want a curved screen.

Are you referring to OLED TVs specifically? All of LG's OLED sets are 3D-enabled, and I don't believe they will remove 3D capabilities in the 2016 sets (at least, I really hope they don't). As for flat OLEDs, LG currently offers its EF9500 model in two sizes: 55" and 65". Here's the flat 55EF9500:

http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-55EF9500-oled-4k-tv

[varmintx]

Originally Posted by ryanmcv

Are you referring to OLED TVs specifically? All of LG's OLED sets are 3D-enabled, and I don't believe they will remove 3D capabilities in the 2016 sets (at least, I really hope they don't). As for flat OLEDs, LG currently offers its EF9500 model in two sizes: 55" and 65". Here's the flat 55EF9500:

http://www.lg.com/us/tvs/lg-55EF9500-oled-4k-tv

I didn't think that was 3D since it isn't listed in the title. Unfortunately, also being 4K, it's out of my budget range. Thanks though.

[Johnny Blu]

Will LG continue to make 1080P TV's? I was under the impression that the 9300 was going to be the last, until they released the 9100 recently. Also, when the article talks about LG possibly doubling the HDR brightness levels, is that a 4K only issue? I want an OLED tv that includes 3D, which is why I'm leaning towards the 9100. I feel the 9100 may be close to being maxed out for a 1080P, where as their 4K tv's may have a lot to gain in the future and thus may not be the time to buy.

[Blove23]

Originally Posted by Johnny Blu

Will LG continue to make 1080P TV's? I was under the impression that the 9300 was going to be the last, until they released the 9100 recently. Also, when the article talks about LG possibly doubling the HDR brightness levels, is that a 4K only issue? I want an OLED tv that includes 3D, which is why I'm leaning towards the 9100. I feel the 9100 may be close to being maxed out for a 1080P, where as their 4K tv's may have a lot to gain in the future and thus may not be the time to buy.

All of the OLED models from LG have passive 3D on them. You are purchasing a premium television and 3D is a feature that comes with all the 2015 OLED models.

[mikezilla2]

what are the LG Oleds like to game on ?

[Penton-Man]

Life is Good at a recent professional conference….

[Pieter V]

How many inches is that, 65?

[ryanmcv]

Originally Posted by mikezilla2

what are the LG Oleds like to game on ?

Pretty great (at least on my EC9300). Some might complain that the input lag is too high (I think it's around 40-45 milliseconds), but I don't notice it. And unless you're doing some intense online multiplayer competitions where every millisecond matters, I don't think any reasonable person would notice the lag.

Aside from that, the superb black levels and contrast make gaming a real joy on these OLEDs.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter

A Blu-ray from the Kaleidescape store averages about 40GB. A 4K UHD title wil average about 60GB.

The Kaleidescape Strato 4K player with internal hard drive can hold approximately 100 UHD movies. Their top end Terra Server will hold 400 of them.

The Terra Server starts shipping next month, but the Strato player won't ship until Q1 of 2016. (I have a couple on order already.)

Can you confirm that the HD downloads from the Kaleidescape store are bit for bit Blu-ray quality? I read that the files may or may not contain extras and bonus material that are on the physical media.

How serious is the founder about marketing an under $1,000 solution in 2016?

Seems to me, there is no quality argument for HD or UHD physical media if the downloads are bit for bit. Throw in the early release window for digital and the advantage tilts toward the downloads.

Would you agree that the motivation paradigm for Kaleidescape owners is Quality, Convenience, Price, in that order while for the average home entertainment consumer it is Price, Convenience, Quality?

[HDTV1080P]

Kaleidescape only uses Blu-ray source material for 1080P and 4K Ultra HD downloads that are bit for bit exactly the same as the 1080P Blu-ray discs and future 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs. In fact the only way to watch 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray images now is to use Kaleidescape since the optical discs for 4K Ultra HD have not been released yet. Kaleidescape uses lossless audio including Dolby ATMOS and soon DTS X when bitstreaming.


Kaleidescape players are profile 2.0 BD-LIVE.



The reason why some Blu-ray disc image downloads do not contain bonus features is because for some titles its my understanding that the studio requires that the Blu-ray rental version that one finds at REDBOX or Netflix is required for the downloads.

http://www.kaleidescape.com/

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by HDTV1080P

Kaleidescape only uses Blu-ray source material for 1080P and 4K Ultra HD downloads that are bit for bit exactly the same as the 1080P Blu-ray discs and future 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray discs. In fact the only way to watch 4K Ultra HD Blu-ray images now is to use Kaleidescape since the optical discs for 4K Ultra HD have not been released yet. Kaleidescape uses lossless audio including Dolby ATMOS and soon DTS X when bitstreaming.


Kaleidescape players are profile 2.0 BD-LIVE.



The reason why some Blu-ray disc image downloads do not contain bonus features is because for some titles its my understanding that the studio requires that the Blu-ray rental version that one finds at REDBOX or Netflix is required for the downloads.

http://www.kaleidescape.com/

That makes sense.

Since this is the LG OLED thread; it is significant that given Kaleidescape's focus on the very high end of the home theater market that they selected an LG OLED as a display for their new award winning product.

I hope they follow through on their under $1,000 solution in 2016.

http://www.cepro.com/article/cedia_2...ntent_4k_cost/

[vinnie97]

The 65EF5900 is a beaute, perhaps the best display made yet, even with its minor warts...with a little minimal further refinement of the backplane (and more motion options, perhaps afforded by greater light output) and yield/QC issues, we can hopefully finally stop hearing the knuckle-draggers objecting and nitpicking about the superlative PQ that OLED provides.

[mikezilla2]

Originally Posted by ryanmcv

Pretty great (at least on my EC9300). Some might complain that the input lag is too high (I think it's around 40-45 milliseconds), but I don't notice it. And unless you're doing some intense online multiplayer competitions where every millisecond matters, I don't think any reasonable person would notice the lag.

Aside from that, the superb black levels and contrast make gaming a real joy on these OLEDs.

the tv i currently have is a bravia KDL 40Z4500 , cant even recall what the MS was like on this all i recall is it could be better

in terms of local options this is about all i can choose from atm

https://www.jbhifi.com.au/Search/results/?keywords=oled hows that compare ?

not even sure the cheapest one is anymore then 1080p ......

how do those models compare to the later models ? il be asking for deals like wise il ether be looking at the cheapest or 2nd cheapest one , not sure how far off the other models are from reaching downunder , friend needs a tv so thinking of giving them my old set

the tv im getting will probbly be for gaming , movie watching , animation , web browsing

[Mr.Poindexter]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Can you confirm that the HD downloads from the Kaleidescape store are bit for bit Blu-ray quality? I read that the files may or may not contain extras and bonus material that are on the physical media.

How serious is the founder about marketing an under $1,000 solution in 2016?

Seems to me, there is no quality argument for HD or UHD physical media if the downloads are bit for bit. Throw in the early release window for digital and the advantage tilts toward the downloads.

Would you agree that the motivation paradigm for Kaleidescape owners is Quality, Convenience, Price, in that order while for the average home entertainment consumer it is Price, Convenience, Quality?

The reason a lot of the titles don't have the extras and bonus material is because they don't have them all bookmarked. When you add thousands of titles in a short time, there isn't time to bookmark them all and even when they are bit for bit copies, they may still need to be bookmarked - especially if it is a new pressing because the chapter points, etc may be slightly different. Just recently, a lot of titles that were in the store had the bookmarks and extras added and they didn't need to be re-downloaded so that is strong evidence that it just took some legwork on the database.

I think the founder is very serious about a sub $1k product, but it won't have all the features/power/expandability of the premier and/or Encore line, otherwise how do you sell your high end systems? They are in a tough spot trying to sell cheaper systems to bring in more customers without making their existing customers feel like they paid too much for only a few small extra features.

I do think you nailed it on the Kaleidescape paradigm for their customers. Quality is #1, then convenience, followed by price. Quality is a combination of both A/V quality and the experience (simplicity, reliability, no forced ads, etc).

For the mainstream, it is price driven and quality has always taken a back seat to convenience (look at mp3) or compression for storage/transmission costs and increased content in a limited space (look at Sat providers increasing compression for more channels and the torrent crowd taking content and re-compressing them to super small files).

At this point, I am still on the Kaleidescape model of priorities. Even if I change in the future, it would be to convenience, quality, price and not the mainstream price driven order.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by Mr.Poindexter

The reason a lot of the titles don't have the extras and bonus material is because they don't have them all bookmarked. When you add thousands of titles in a short time, there isn't time to bookmark them all and even when they are bit for bit copies, they may still need to be bookmarked - especially if it is a new pressing because the chapter points, etc may be slightly different. Just recently, a lot of titles that were in the store had the bookmarks and extras added and they didn't need to be re-downloaded so that is strong evidence that it just took some legwork on the database.

I think the founder is very serious about a sub $1k product, but it won't have all the features/power/expandability of the premier and/or Encore line, otherwise how do you sell your high end systems? They are in a tough spot trying to sell cheaper systems to bring in more customers without making their existing customers feel like they paid too much for only a few small extra features.

I do think you nailed it on the Kaleidescape paradigm for their customers. Quality is #1, then convenience, followed by price. Quality is a combination of both A/V quality and the experience (simplicity, reliability, no forced ads, etc).

For the mainstream, it is price driven and quality has always taken a back seat to convenience (look at mp3) or compression for storage/transmission costs and increased content in a limited space (look at Sat providers increasing compression for more channels and the torrent crowd taking content and re-compressing them to super small files).

At this point, I am still on the Kaleidescape model of priorities. Even if I change in the future, it would be to convenience, quality, price and not the mainstream price driven order.

Thanks for the very informative response.

Regarding the under $1K product: Target market, younger demographic 18-34 with a Quality, Price, Convenience paradigm. One unit, user rather than pro install. Bit for bit download quality is imperative. Minimal on board storage for 10 purchased UHD quality movies that can be deleted and replaced with the same movies at no additional cost, or with newly purchased movies from the K store. This allows for rotation to accommodate current viewing interests. Offer a bit for bit download rental option as well. Include a UHD BR disc drive, backward compatible to BR and DVD and perhaps a digital bridge for export to mobile devices.

As the customer base for this product matures and their home entertainment budgets improve, brand loyalty will lead many of them to upgrade to a Kaleidescape pro installed system.

Do you think existing Kaleidescape owners would be unhappy with something like that? It would be significantly less convenient than the pro installed system.

[raygendreau]

Good news for OLED energy consumption:

"In other findings, Horowitz said the NRDC only tested one 4k Ultra HDTV based on OLED technology, which finished in the middle of the pack against mostly LED-based LCD TVs. But, he said he felt that ultimately OLED TVs will prove to be more energy efficient than equivalently sized edge-lit and full array LED-based LCD TVs because OLED technology does not use back lighting"

http://hdguru.com/nrdc-4k-ultra-hdtvs-are-energy-hogs/

EDIT: And more good news for LG and OLED:


"In an indication of rapid OLED development, LG Electronics said production improvements allowed it to cut prices of six models in the world's biggest TV market by as much as 45 percent from last month, without crimping margins. Two are now below $2,000, a fraction of the $14,999 of LG's first OLED TV in 2013.

"This is the first time we'll be within the range of what people would consider an affordable price," Vice President Lee Jeong-seok said in a recent interview."

http://www.reuters.com/article/2015/...VYt77psJ5lM.99

[raygendreau]

LG OLED TVs support two HDR standards

There are at least five different HDR (high dynamic range) standards being developed for widespread acceptance, and LG’s 2015 HDR-capable OLED models, namely the curved EG960V and EG920V plus flat-screen EF950V, support HDR-10 and BBC’s Hybrid Log-Gamma solution. HDR-10 is used by Amazon Prime Video in its 4K HDR streaming, and most likely will be adopted by Netflix when its HDR content goes live. Ultra HD Blu-ray also supports HDR-10 while including other competing HDR standards in its specifications.

http://www.hdtvtest.co.uk/news/lg-4k...1511064202.htm