4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

My impression is that nobody is promoting 4K physical media at CES 2014. Is that correct?(Penton-

That is correct, for that is the responsibility of the BDA to make initial overtures to the public, but, on the other hand, that doesn’t mean it’s not coming to consumers in the future.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

Penton-That Life Space UX Short Throw $30,000 projector to be introduced this summer by Sony was a definite wow, at least in concept)

Yes, that announcement received the greatest applause from the audience at Kaz’s keynote.
Concerning in red (“adoption”) – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...on#post8609029

Interviewers ask and CEOs are prepared to respond regarding adoption rate(scroll down to the video) - http://www.engadget.com/2014/01/07/k...laystation-no/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vargo

PSNR is unfortunately close to useless as a visual quality metric. It is useful for lots of things but doesnt reliably tell us that X looks better than Y to human eyes.

For video quality assessment, definitely, the Video Quality Metric, the Motion-based Video Integrity Evaluation Index, the Structural Similarity Index and the Multi-Scale Structural Similarity Index are all better predictors of subjective video quality than PSNR.

But people should understand that doesn’t mean developers still don’t use PSNR to make a point…if memory serves, see ~ 16’30” timestamp (note to novices, on the vertical axis ‘quality in decibels’ is same as PSNR) –

Google I/O 2013 - WebM and the New VP9 Open Video Codec - YouTube

[Towergrove]

Originally Posted by Mavrick

So the "industry" has decided to deliver 4k content via online streaming. Aparently you only need broadband speeds of 15Mbps, currently I get 4Mbps.

I can't see this taking off like BD if no one is going to deliver content on a physical format.

I'm more interested in the revolution that is Dolby Vision than 4k now. I believe theres more of a "revolution" to be found in increased nits than pixels.

Article posted today:


Samsung says 125 gigabyte Blu-ray disks are on the way

Panasonic is one of a number of providers showcasing 4K televisions at the 2014 International CES in Las Vegas. Source: AFP
BLU-RAY disks with a huge 100-125 gigabyte capacity for storing ultra-high definition movies are likely to be available this year, Samsung has revealed.

At the Consumer Electronics Show this year, manufacturers including Samsung, Sony and LG have been showing off their latest ultra-high definition TVs.

These TVs have razor-sharp screens with four times the resolution of typical 1080p high definition, flat screen TVs in Australian homes. However problems remain before the so-called 4K format is viable.

One is the lack of movie content in the new ultra-high definition or 4K format; another is not having a way of conveying 4k content to users: 4K movies can require more than 100GB of storage - which is far in excess of the 25 GB capacity of a single layer Blu-ray disk and the 4.7GB available on a DVD.

Streaming content is one option, and manufacturers are forging agreements with movie houses to offer it over the internet. Successfully streaming 4K content however will depend on the quality of internet connections, available bandwidth and domestic account download limits.

Another way is for movie rental stores and 4K TV manufacturers to make content available the old fashioned way - on Blu-ray disks.

Vice-president for consumer electronics at Samsung Australia Philip Newton told The Australian today that Samsung had the technology in place to produce high-capacity four-layer Blu-ray disks for distributing 4K movies.

Mr Newton said he expected theses disks would become available "by the end of the year". He said it also would not be a problem for Samsung to make available players than can read four-layer Blu-ray disks.

Mr Newton said the optical technology needed for making and reading four-layer disks had been available "for years". He said the hold-up was over manufacturers settling on standards for storing electronic content.

He said industry was keen to avoid another Betamax-VHS style format fracas. In the late 1970s and 1980s Sony, the proponent of Betamax, and JVC, which promoted VHS, went head-to-head in a bruising format battle that ended in 1988 when Sony conceded defeat.

In the case of 4K content, issues such as the preferred codes used for compressing movies needed to be sorted out wit H265 and Google's VP9 rival contenders.

Mr Newton said the 4k format standard "is still in a state of flux" but four-layer Blu-ray disks would emerge "once everyone is on the same page".

"Except for the standard, it's good to go," Mr Newton told The Australian.

Each layer of a BluRay disk typically holds 25GB of content, so a four-layer disk should hold a 100GB movie.

In the meantime, Samsung this year will offer 5 4K-format Hollywood movies and 3 4K documentaries to customers who buy new ultra-high definition TVs to be available in Australia from April-May this year.

By year's end, Samsung will have supplied customers with 20 4K movies and 30 documentaries provided on 3.5-inch hard drives.

Other TV manufacturers are understood to be gearing to supply four-layer BlueRay disks also. In Germany, Singulus Technologies last year said it had production-tested Blu-ray disks with a 100GB capacity.

Blu-ray format standards are established by the Bu-ray Disk Association.

Chris Griffith is attending CES in Las Vegas courtesy of AMD, Asus and Samsung Electronics.

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/tech...-1226797125793

[saprano]

This interest me greatly-

http://en.community.dell.com/dell-bl...ed-at-699.aspx

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by saprano

This interest me greatly-

http://en.community.dell.com/dell-bl...ed-at-699.aspx

Me too. I have always found Dell's monitors to be very reliable.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Towergrove

Article posted today:


Samsung says 125 gigabyte Blu-ray disks are on the way


http://www.theaustralian.com.au/tech...-1226797125793

So already this year they plan to release 4K blu rays with the range of 100-125 GB

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Me too. I have always found Dell's monitors to be very reliable.

I have a 8 year old Dell computer setup with one of their 17" monitors, still works just like the day i bought it. When i'm ready to buy a XPS computer that 4K monitor will definitely be on my list to choose from.

[BaerGriggs]

Originally Posted by saprano

This interest me greatly-

http://en.community.dell.com/dell-bl...ed-at-699.aspx

Wow..that is an incredible price in my opinion.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Towergrove

Article posted today:
Samsung says 125 gigabyte Blu-ray disks are on the way

http://www.theaustralian.com.au/tech...-1226797125793

Well, there you go Ray, another tidbit of reassurance leaked to the press.

Though, lol, I’m so happy to learn that “Samsung had the technology in place to produce high-capacity four-layer Blu-ray disks for distributing 4K movies”.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by saprano

This interest me greatly-
http://en.community.dell.com/dell-bl...ed-at-699.aspx

Niiice. Let us know if you purchase one.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by saprano

I have a 8 year old Dell computer setup with one of their 17" monitors, still works just like the day i bought it. When i'm ready to buy a XPS computer that 4K monitor will definitely be on my list to choose from.

Nice, I have 24 inch and it is pin sharp. I am due a new desktop soon. Had mine six years (XPS , same as you). Mine is the tower with the pointless (in my opinion) mini screen on the top of the tower. That is the only negative I have and even then it's nitpicking. . Might go for Dell's all in one next. Just waiting for 4k!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...I’ll add something else for some perspective as to the importance of this line of thought. If people think 4K rez is ‘good’, then HFR and HDR is ‘great’ because strict scientific testing, as well as a larger sample of anecdotal observations by professions, indicate both provide about twice the picture quality improvement as that of HD -> 4K resolution.

These parameters are the next frontier in increased picture quality, rather than marginal picture improvements by individual TV manufacturers which you’ll undoubtedly be seeing in the interim.

So, after reading the last page, one might ask, what was the real ‘hit’ of CES 2014 in terms of the potential for significant enhancement to the picture quality of video (i.e. JoeQpublic can appreciate it at “normal” viewing distances, even precipitating a “wow” moment while browsing at his favorite TV retailer)?

Two words….Dolby Vision. As alluded to almost a year ago (scroll down to the red), here - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ed#post7325076

And, given that, although another small group of scientists took a different HDR path, time to offer a tip of the hat to some other pioneers who have been working for years in the field of HDR (thusly, appreciating its significance compared to traditional imaging) and which many may never have heard about given their diminutive size compared to that of companies like Dolby.

I’m referring to the small group of scientists from University Warwick ….http://vimeo.com/74562835 . Thing is, Dolby has made it worthwhile even with today’s cameras possessing less than 20 f-stops and for displays that aren’t capable of pumping out 4,000 nits but closer to topping out at 800 nits.

A thumbs-up to scientists and engineers from both companies.

[mredman]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, there you go Ray, another tidbit of reassurance leaked to the press.

Though, lol, I’m so happy to learn that “Samsung had the technology in place to produce high-capacity four-layer Blu-ray disks for distributing 4K movies”.

it pretty much confirms how strong Blu Ray is to studios

[Esox50]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, there you go Ray, another tidbit of reassurance leaked to the press.

Though, lol, I’m so happy to learn that “Samsung had the technology in place to produce high-capacity four-layer Blu-ray disks for distributing 4K movies”.

Ok, I've stopped hyperventilating.

Hilarious that one guy from Sony would say "CES would tell the story" between physical media vs. streaming...yet the news of 4K Blu comes from the other side of the globe from Samsung (in the same timeframe as CES). LMAO.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by mredman

So already this year they plan to release 4K blu rays with the range of 100-125 GB

I think they meant the discs, as in the manufacturing platform, will be available for mass production this year. But 4K Blu-ray, as a format, will have to wait until such time as the standards are put in place, which is what Penton has been saying all along.

And yeah, I'd never have thought of Samsung as the heralds of 4K Blu-ray. Then again, they don't have access within their company to a 4K content library like what Sony can do, so naturally they will want as many avenues of 4K distribution as possible. As long as Sony have a puck/cake tin and accompanying 4K download service to shill, I get the feeling that they'll be ambivalent towards 4K Blu-ray at best.

[Geoff D]

The only trouble is, with all of this HDR/HFR/WCG stuff swirling around in the ether, how far do they go to future-proof themselves with the 4K BD spec? Something like 2160p120 could just be a simple matter of connector bandwidth and the maximum transfer rate of the format, but what about mapping 2020 to 709, should the former be cemented as the UHD standard? As Penton said, everyone's got a different take on it, so nailing it down in time for the launch of 4K BD could be very tricky indeed. And if they don't, then it'll surely take a hardware revision to get it working on later generations of 4K BD hardware. Still, we upgraded our Blu-ray players to go from BD to 3D BD, so it's not like we haven't done it before to get enhancements to the format.

[Esox50]

Also interesting is that they are talking about quad-layer 125GB discs (i would guess 4 x 25GB?), when the leak in September 2013 that Blu-Ray 4K "may be coming" was from a replicator touting triple-layer 100GB discs (and talking about the "win" of getting 33.3GB per layer vs. 25GB).

[HotRats]

I wonder how long it would be before the agreement of a disc specification and players being available to buy. Streaming won't really be viable in Britain for a long time where politicians think 2mpbs is fast broadband and there are a diminishing number of ISPs chasing lower costs at the expense of genuinely unlimited broadband and the infrastructure for fibre optic is at the mercy of a privatised monopoly which is rolling it out very slowly and restricting it to FTTC.

I hope a 4 layer disc does not repeat the debacle of a press demonstration of multi layer DVD from many years ago when a press audience witnessed discs with up to seven layers all failing to change. That was pretty much the end of multi-layer DVD

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Nice, I have 24 inch and it is pin sharp. I am due a new desktop soon. Had mine six years (XPS , same as you). Mine is the tower with the pointless (in my opinion) mini screen on the top of the tower. That is the only negative I have and even then it's nitpicking. . Might go for Dell's all in one next. Just waiting for 4k!

My cousin had the one with the screen. I actually thought it was pretty cool. Pointless, but cool.

Oh, found out the dell 4K monitor only does 30hz-

http://www.theverge.com/2014/1/8/528...w-start-at-699