4K Movies Releases

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Originally Posted by Mansinthe

i wonder if there will be rereleases of most blurays..or if labels like criteron are going to rerelease all there movies in 4k again.
Sony will most likely do that to a lot of there movies... feels like a waste of money at the moment to collect movies at all...

Why would it be a waste? I don't understand these types of comments. You don't have to buy re-release's & if done right wouldn't you want to buy your favorite movies again in 4K? Why not cheer for the highest quality possible @ this point in time? Should there never be 4K re-release's? Being a waste does not make sense. Life is too short, enjoy it with movies in the highest quality possible

[Mansinthe]

Should there never be 4K re-release's?

i would love 4k rereleases since i do want the best quality possible. actually i would be one of the first to buy a 4k sony projector (consumer price friendly like the hw30es i currently own)

but it would like a waste of money i i would spend now a lot money on expensiv imported movies (criterion are imports for me since i live in germany) and every of there movies is around ~21-25€ (25-33$) and i think thats a lot of money for a movie that will most likely get a rerelease sooner or later (since there are already 4k tvs, projectors, upscale stuff and stream talk, ps4...)

cuz i know im one of the people that will most likely buy everything again

yeah life is short, i spend a lot of money on blurays each month but im thinking about 4k hardware upgrades already

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Originally Posted by Mansinthe

it would like a waste of money i i would spend now a lot money on expensiv imported movies (criterion are imports for me since i live in germany) and every of there movies is around ~21-25€ (25-33$) and i think thats a lot of money for a movie that will most likely get a rerelease sooner or later

cuz i know im one of the people that will most likely buy everything again

Why worry about it, buy what you can when you can. Don't you like to collect different cover art with each new re-release? You could always sell your blurays, gift them away to friends & family. Criterion release's have good resale value & they do go out of print. When I get Blu ray versions of DVD's that I have I like to compare the two. I have shelves with the BD & DVD cases side by side.

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Originally Posted by Mansinthe

im thinking about 4k hardware upgrades already

I would wait to buy any 4K hardware until the new hdmi 2.0 spec is released, even though Sony & Samsung has said that any 4K TV bought now will be upgraded later to hdmi 2.0 when it is released & ready. Also no current blu ray player, Receiver is said to be able to upgrade to hdmi 2.0 when the new spec is released.

[Mansinthe]

i would not buy a TV anyway.. not from sony, and sure not from samsung.

projector is the only thing i will buy dont want to go back from 108 inch screen.
yep im waiting for hdmi 2.0 too and consumer friendly prices for a sony hw(whatever)4k beamer around 2500-3000€


for the criterions and bluray release you are right. but since bluray is out i try to avoid DVD. i think the same thing will happen sooner or later to bluray^^

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

i wonder if there will be rereleases of most blurays..or if labels like criteron are going to rerelease all there movies in 4k again.
sony will most likely do that to a lot of there movies... feels like a waste of money at the moment to collect movies at all...

If the majority of your movies are recent releases there may not be much of a need to re-buy them as it's been standard practice for the last decade or so to have the final resolution of the digital intermediate (DI) that serves as the completed movie at 2K. I'm sure there's a bit of a difference going from 1080p H264 to 4k H265 in terms of compression and possibly color depending on what the 4K spec is in terms of color space but the difference may be small enough where you won't need to re-buy anything.

Case in point:

Casino Royale (2006) has a 2k DI. It might get a 4k re-release and look slightly better, but the BD's pretty close to the final resolution and holds up nicely on a normal sized TV.

Skyfall (2012) was shot at ~3.2k and has a 4k DI. That would benefit nicely from a 4k re-release. Then again, the current 1080p BD looks pretty damn good....

This doesn't apply for older movies that were finished entirely on film, though.

Lawrence of Arabia was shot in 70mm and while the BD looks spectacular, it's about half of the resolution that the recent 4K restoration had, for example.

The good thing about the "mastered in 4K" discs that Sony is putting out is that they now have fresh 4K scans and workflows ready to go for these movies, so expect to see Taxi Driver, Glory, etc as the first 4K releases from Sony whenever this format takes off.

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by img eL

Why worry about it, buy what you can when you can. Don't you like to collect different cover art with each new re-release? You could always sell your blurays, gift them away to friends & family. Criterion release's have good resale value & they do go out of print. When I get Blu ray versions of DVD's that I have I like to compare the two. I have shelves with the BD & DVD cases side by side.

I agree. In one way it's a little frustrating as I spent a lot of money on my movies already but once I looked at BD for the first time I happily replaced my DVD collection. I ended up giving away most of them and I'm glad I bought my BD's because they look and sound so much better than DVDs.

[Mansinthe]

Originally Posted by singhcr

I agree. In one way it's a little frustrating as I spent a lot of money on my movies already but once I looked at BD for the first time I happily replaced my DVD collection. I ended up giving away most of them and I'm glad I bought my BD's because they look and sound so much better than DVDs.

but now you know there will be "soon"a 4k release of your favorite movies. that you do not own currently.. wouldnt you instead of spending now a lot of money on these movies wait for the 4k rerelease?

i think thats a lot of wasted money if you look at the size of most collections in this forum.. now people replaced there DVDs for blurays just to replace them again a few years later.

and there is already talk that 4k will only be something like 720p was....8k?

but there are on the other site in case of criterion a lot of movies that are still only avaible on DVD.. and will most likely never get a bluray upgrade or even a 4k upgrade?

and most never bluray releases like skyfall look already awesome at my 108inch screen.. so i dont know if i would actually want to replace my entire collection of movies i might not watch more then once or twice all few years..

but in case of the never scanned in 4k sony or criterion movies?

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by Mansinthe

but now you know there will be "soon"a 4k release of your favorite movies. that you do not own currently.. wouldnt you instead of spending now a lot of money on these movies wait for the 4k rerelease?

i think thats a lot of wasted money if you look at the size of most collections in this forum.. now people replaced there DVDs for blurays just to replace them again a few years later.

and there is already talk that 4k will only be something like 720p was....8k?

but there are on the other site in case of criterion a lot of movies that are still only avaible on DVD.. and will most likely never get a bluray upgrade or even a 4k upgrade?

and most never bluray releases like skyfall look already awesome at my 108inch screen.. so i dont know if i would actually want to replace my entire collection of movies i might not watch more then once or twice all few years..

but in case of the never scanned in 4k sony or criterion movies?

You have a point there. I am personally hesitant to buy Skyfall knowing there's going to be a 4k release some time in the future, but if it's cheap enough I'll probably get the BD anyway.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by img eL

I wish the HEVC codec was %75 percent more efficient, more like 30-45% percent....

I think there’s more to the story than the *30 – 45%* estimate which is commonly thrown around as the efficiency assessment because for one thing, bloggers are comparing *early HEVC implementation* to H.264 encoding solutions, the later having had the advantage of being thoroughly refined over the years.

Secondly, given the fact (and apparently unaccepted by some) is that scientific testing has shown that when comparing individual frame grabs from a scene (i.e. screenshots) frames, that although H.264 frame grabs do appear to have clearly better visual quality, then when you run the sample clips at normal speed, the H.264 video receives a significantly lower quality score which is likely due to strong temporal artifacts which HEVC handles better – https://ece.uwaterloo.ca/~z70wang/pu...ons/vpqm13.pdf

I know of no studies that have convincingly refuted the findings obtained by testing blinded observers watching normal speed video (rather than frame grabs) as listed in Table VII where the bitrate savings (depending on the test sequence) ranged from 42.7% - 63.1%, with the average being 49.3%..... http://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/fileadm...erformance.pdf

On the contrary, all I’ve seen are studies from other labs which have essentially confirmed the findings of the original investigators, such as… http://aias.iit.demokritos.gr/~kouma...ra%20ready.pdf

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Originally Posted by Mansinthe

projector is the only thing i will buy dont want to go back from 108 inch screen.
yep im waiting for hdmi 2.0 too and consumer friendly prices for a sony hw(whatever)4k beamer around 2500-3000€

If I had the money the only non hdmi 2.0 4K hardware that I would buy would be a Sony VPL-VW100ES Projector but for $25,000 I am priced out For now my Sony VPL-VW50 that I had since December 2006 will do

[Mansinthe]

my hw30es will have to do till there are consumer class 4k sony projectors.
but im currently really happy with it while watching some A+ blurays like skyfall.

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Originally Posted by singhcr

Case in point:

Casino Royale (2006) has a 2k DI. It might get a 4k re-release and look slightly better, but the BD's pretty close to the final resolution and holds up nicely on a normal sized TV.

Skyfall (2012) was shot at ~3.2k and has a 4k DI. That would benefit nicely from a 4k re-release. Then again, the current 1080p BD looks pretty damn good....

When higher capacity blu ray's disc's are available for use, with new re-release's movies studios should keep the native resolutions 2K, 3.2K, etc. & use the extra space to uncompress the files a little more for better quailty

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I think there’s more to the story than the *30 – 45%* estimate which is commonly thrown around as the efficiency assessment because for one thing, bloggers are comparing *early HEVC implementation* to H.264 encoding solutions, the later having had the advantage of being thoroughly refined over the years.]

Well since April 13, 2013 HEVC is only on Version 1 while AVC is up to Version 17. HEVC is only going to get more & more efficient

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Originally Posted by singhcr

You have a point there. I am personally hesitant to buy Skyfall knowing there's going to be a 4k release some time in the future, but if it's cheap enough I'll probably get the BD anyway.

Why wait? Swoop it up when the price drops

[singhcr]

Originally Posted by img eL

Why wait? Swoop it up when the price drops

That's the plan!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I think there’s more to the story than the *30 – 45%* estimate which is commonly thrown around as the efficiency assessment because for one thing, bloggers are comparing *early HEVC implementation* to H.264 encoding solutions, the later having had the advantage of being thoroughly refined over the years.

Secondly, given the fact (and apparently unaccepted by some) is that scientific testing has shown that when comparing individual frame grabs from a scene (i.e. screenshots) frames, that although H.264 frame grabs do appear to have clearly better visual quality, then when you run the sample clips at normal speed, the H.264 video receives a significantly lower quality score which is likely due to strong temporal artifacts which HEVC handles better – https://ece.uwaterloo.ca/~z70wang/pu...ons/vpqm13.pdf

I know of no studies that have convincingly refuted the findings obtained by testing blinded observers watching normal speed video (rather than frame grabs) as listed in Table VII where the bitrate savings (depending on the test sequence) ranged from 42.7% - 63.1%, with the average being 49.3%..... http://www.hhi.fraunhofer.de/fileadm...erformance.pdf

On the contrary, all I’ve seen are studies from other labs which have essentially confirmed the findings of the original investigators, such as… http://aias.iit.demokritos.gr/~kouma...ra%20ready.pdf

^ For those readers who find the above post with its associated Bibliography far too simplistically rudimentary for their tastes, I sympathize and offer up a more cerebral riddle to tickle their brains (with the caveat that you are a heterosexual male with normal ‘T levels’. So, put on your thinking caps, riddle be –

What is something you can look down on……and still, heartily approve of ?????

For the long, but rewarding, pathway to that answer, click back to the last page and closely examine the frame grab from the 2nd Youtube clip in post #1396.

For the short answer….in a word -
















Cleavage

[Penton-Man]

See….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...ps#post7528259
to add to the list (which has been growing since at least 2010, read the post above that ^ for historical context)….

This is the End (2013)
Studio: Sony Pictures
Image Format: 4k Scope [4096x1716]
Run Time: 1:46:32
Audio Format: 5.1
File Size: 90GB

[Penton-Man]

^ For those at work or not allowed to view R rated content by their parents/guardians ->

This is The End Trailer 2013 Movie - Official [HD] - YouTube

For you other members with no viewing restrictions ->

THIS IS THE END - Redband Clip - YouTube

[joie]

Is 3840p 4K?