The Criterion Collection

[Cremildo]

Originally Posted by shadedpain4

Kundun is on blu.

Not in America or UK. And the current transfer is sub-par.

[shadedpain4]

Originally Posted by Fabs

Would love it if we got another Ozu blu. There are 4K blus in Japan of Early Summer, Equinox Flower, and Late Autumn that have been out for a while now.

Not to mention the Late Spring restoration that's a reasonable improvement off the Criterion blu.

[shadedpain4]

Originally Posted by 20th Century Boy

Wong Kar Wai 4k set including uncut version of The Grandmaster

I don't believe there is such a thing as an uncut version of this.

[senseabove]

Originally Posted by shadedpain4

I don't believe there is such a thing as an uncut version of this.

There are at LEAST two, the Chinese and the international cut, with the former being a little bit longer and only released on BD in China, and I think there's a third, festival cut as well that has no media release. IIRC, the international cut supposedly rearranges things to make it a little clearer if you don't know anything about Ip Man's story and shaves a few minutes off.

I believe WKW himself has said he he made the international cut willingly, though, not under pressure, but I've heard folks who've seen both say they prefer the Chinese cut.

EDIT: Remembered an article I read that discussed the various cuts of The Grandmaster and was able to track it down: http://www.easternkicks.com/news/the...arison-of-cuts

[qw0aszx]

Originally Posted by CinemaBlu

Have you seen A Safe Place?

Yes and I still think Jellyfish Eyes is worse than A Safe Place... I just can't believe how Takashi Murakami managed to assemble almost all anime clichés and transformed them into an live action film using some of the worst ways I've seen...

[StarDestroyer52]

Originally Posted by ShellOilJunior

November is here:

#901-902 2 Starring Matthew Broderick: Inspector Gadget/Inspector Gadget 2
#903 La Cage aux Folles 3
#904 Doc Hollywood
#905 Walker, Texas Ranger Vol.1
#906 The Jay Leno Show

Boo, I wanted the Chevy Chase Show.

[shadedpain4]

Originally Posted by senseabove

There are at LEAST two, the Chinese and the international cut, with the former being a little bit longer and only released on BD in China, and I think there's a third, festival cut as well that has no media release. IIRC, the international cut supposedly rearranges things to make it a little clearer if you don't know anything about Ip Man's story and shaves a few minutes off.

I believe WKW himself has said he he made the international cut willingly, though, not under pressure, but I've heard folks who've seen both say they prefer the Chinese cut.

EDIT: Remembered an article I read that discussed the various cuts of The Grandmaster and was able to track it down: http://www.easternkicks.com/news/the...arison-of-cuts

The 108 minute version includes scenes not included in the 122 and 130 minute versions. Even the longest version of the film is not "uncut", just a different cut. There is no released version of the film that contains all the material that has been released.

Edit (from David Bordwell): "Without counting the credit sequences, the three versions have running times as follows: 124:26 for the China/Hong Kong release; 114:24 for the European release; and 100:52 for the U.S. release. Some American critics have objected to the third version’s radical compression, and indeed much of interest has been lost. Yet many of the changes we encounter in the U. S. version were already present in the European one. To complicate matters, versions two and three aren’t simple cutdowns of the long one. Some shots and sequences are rearranged, and both the second and third versions contain footage, indeed entire scenes, not present in the “original.”"

[asabreed]

Surprised there are no leaks yet.

[20th Century Boy]

Originally Posted by senseabove

There are at LEAST two, the Chinese and the international cut, with the former being a little bit longer and only released on BD in China, and I think there's a third, festival cut as well that has no media release. IIRC, the international cut supposedly rearranges things to make it a little clearer if you don't know anything about Ip Man's story and shaves a few minutes off.

I believe WKW himself has said he he made the international cut willingly, though, not under pressure, but I've heard folks who've seen both say they prefer the Chinese cut.

EDIT: Remembered an article I read that discussed the various cuts of The Grandmaster and was able to track it down: http://www.easternkicks.com/news/the...arison-of-cuts

The US cut is garbage complete with choppy edits and whack voice over to compensate. I'm really tired of this "babying down" of foreign releases for the US. I remember the laughable job they did with the Red Cliff international/US cuts. Please.

I remember actress Zhang Ziyi rearranged her name to Ziyi Zhang to make it easier for Westerners.

[20th Century Boy]

Originally Posted by asabreed

Surprised there are no leaks yet.

What do you mean? They're all over social media...oh. You meant about the Criterion Collection.

[senseabove]

Originally Posted by shadedpain4

The 108 minute version includes scenes not included in the 122 and 130 minute versions. Even the longest version of the film is not "uncut", just a different cut. There is no released version of the film that contains all the material that has been released.

Edit (from David Bordwell): "Without counting the credit sequences, the three versions have running times as follows: 124:26 for the China/Hong Kong release; 114:24 for the European release; and 100:52 for the U.S. release. Some American critics have objected to the third version’s radical compression, and indeed much of interest has been lost. Yet many of the changes we encounter in the U. S. version were already present in the European one. To complicate matters, versions two and three aren’t simple cutdowns of the long one. Some shots and sequences are rearranged, and both the second and third versions contain footage, indeed entire scenes, not present in the “original.”"

Since you're familiar with the different cuts, it should have been obvious that the original poster meant "the longer cut previously released in China," especially in the context of a Criterion release including multiple or alternate versions. If you're going to be pedantic about the semantics of "uncut" vs "previously released, longer cut," you could at least be clear about it from the start rather than snipe a comment without any explanation.

[shadedpain4]

Originally Posted by 20th Century Boy

The US cut is garbage complete with choppy edits and whack voice over to compensate. I'm really tired of this "babying down" of foreign releases for the US. I remember the laughable job they did with the Red Cliff international/US cuts. Please.

I remember actress Zhang Ziyi rearranged her name to Ziyi Zhang to make it easier for Westerners.

The US release is all WKW. I own, watch, and enjoy both available versions, and am glad we have the additional content in the US version. I don't understand all the vitriol. Just watch the other version if you prefer it.

[20th Century Boy]

Originally Posted by shadedpain4

The 108 minute version includes scenes not included in the 122 and 130 minute versions. Even the longest version of the film is not "uncut", just a different cut. There is no released version of the film that contains all the material that has been released.

Edit (from David Bordwell): "Without counting the credit sequences, the three versions have running times as follows: 124:26 for the China/Hong Kong release; 114:24 for the European release; and 100:52 for the U.S. release. Some American critics have objected to the third version’s radical compression, and indeed much of interest has been lost. Yet many of the changes we encounter in the U. S. version were already present in the European one. To complicate matters, versions two and three aren’t simple cutdowns of the long one. Some shots and sequences are rearranged, and both the second and third versions contain footage, indeed entire scenes, not present in the “original.”"

I meant the Chinese cut. The one without the condescending voice over (whichever version was one the fest circuit in the NE US).

[20th Century Boy]

Originally Posted by shadedpain4

The US release is all WKW. I own, watch, and enjoy both available versions, and am glad we have the additional content in the US version. I don't understand all the vitriol. Just watch the other version if you prefer it.

It's OOP. Hence my agitation. If all versions were available I wouldn't care. But they're not. So I do.

[Scottie]

I get the feeling that announcements won't be happening today. I hope I'm wrong.

[asabreed]

Originally Posted by iScottie

I get the feeling that announcements won't be happening today. I hope I'm wrong.

That's kind of what I was referencing as far as your usually-by-now leak expertise, so I'm kind of figuring the same -- while also hoping I'm wrong.

[shadedpain4]

Originally Posted by senseabove

Since you're familiar with the different cuts, it should have been obvious that the original poster meant "the longer cut previously released in China," especially in the context of a Criterion release including multiple or alternate versions. If you're going to be pedantic about the semantics of "uncut" vs "previously released, longer cut," you could at least be clear about it from the start rather than snipe a comment without any explanation.

Sorry if you felt my original comment required additional explanation. I've had a lot of discussions with people who are under the impression that the longest version of this film is indeed "uncut" or "complete", and that other versions are no more than shorter cuts with portions removed. Since this isn't the case with this film, I was trying to point that out without a full on explanation (especially in the Criterion thread since this isn't a Criterion film).

Apologies for the lack of clarity in my initial post.

[SkyAntoine]

Someone can start posting the spoiler-friendly Criterion.com added pages any time...

[Baron Blood]

Originally Posted by pedromvu

or La Strada which is already out by Studio Canal (they finally did something other than re-releasing the same films) and the transfer looks great based on screenshots.

Yes, I was going to add La Strada.
I still find the Criterion DVDl looks better than new BD though.
But it's the Japanese BD that's a true abomination.

[shadedpain4]

Originally Posted by SkyAntoine

Someone can start posting the spoiler-friendly Criterion.com added pages any time...

Here's all the ones that I've found so far:

[Show spoiler] .