The Criterion Collection

[jonmayo15]

I would love an upgrade of Equinox at some point.

[Gacivory]

Give me a Blu upgrade of Monsters and Madmen!

[Axl Rose]

It's time for a The Double Life of Véronique 4k.

[Scottie]

Originally Posted by dwk

Pandora's Box has new screenshots.

Really curious if it'll get a 4K release or just BD.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

i just broke the news on Columbia Classics Volume 5, and it's going to include On the Waterfront, and The Age of Innocence. I think many thought one, or both would come from Criterion instead.

it will include these films:

• All the King's Men (1949)
• On the Waterfront (1954) (!!)
• A Man For All Seasons (1966)
• Tootsie (1982)
• The Age of Innocence (1993)
• Little Women (2019)

On The Waterfront (probably my most wanted Sony title) makes this a legendary set. Even if the other five sucked, this would still be a solid set. Day One.

Now, if we check the Scorsese scorecard...

[Show spoiler]Who's That Knocking at My Door (1967) Still on DVD from 2004, released day and date with Mean Streets, Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (also MIA), and After Hours. Both WTK... and Alice were slated for release in 2018 by BFI, and then nothing happened. Both are presumably with Criterion. Alice seems the more likely of the two to get a 4K, even though with the stylistic choices of WTK..., it deserves a 4K too.

Boxcar Bertha (1972): Has a 2002 DVD from MGM, a 2016 Blu-ray from Twilight Time, a 2021 barebones DVD from MGM (six bucks and my right nut says it's at at least one of my Dollar Trees), and a 2022 Blu-ray with Sandpiper. The film would likely be in better hands with an actual sandpiper. Hopefully some boutique gets a hold of it and does a 4K. Criterion, Shout, Kino, and Arrow are all candidates for it. Odds are about nil that one of the Big Six does it.

Mean Streets (1973): Done on 4K by Criterion in the US and Second Sight in the UK. Between the controversial color timing and the serious special features lag, you should also consider the myriad older Blu-ray copies from both sides of the pond.

Alice Doesn't Live Here Anymore (1974): The most notable MIA Scorsese title. As I said previously, we're currently working off a 2004 DVD, plus it was previously announced by BFI six years ago but it never materialized for unknown reasons. The 2004 DVD is currently OOP and Criterion is rumored to have this title. I predict it will be announced by the end of the year.

Taxi Driver (1976): Finally, a Scorsese film gets some respect! From its days as a Criterion laserdisc (correct me if I'm wrong, but all four Criterion discs were CLV and had only the Scorsese-Schrader commentary), through several surprisingly solid DVDs, three solid Blu-rays, the Columbia Classics 4K, and now the standalone SteelBook 4K, Taxi Driver has been treated well on home video. Some special features lag and soundtrack lag should be looked into, and it's unfortunate they've chosen not to attempt to restore the original ending, but otherwise the film has been given proper treatment on home video. In fact, it's one of the few Criterion laserdiscs that's truly irrelevant, which doesn't happen very often.

New York, New York (1977): The Blu-ray is solid, and the few fluctuations it has is more a result of the stylistic choices in the film than any actual flaw with the disc. Eventually a 4K will happen, most likely from a boutique. Hopefully it includes all cuts, but as long as it includes the uncut version at the least, I won't complain. Here's hoping all features from the laserdiscs, DVDs, and Blu-ray get carried over!

Raging Bull (1980): Another one that has always been treated well on video, even the original Magnetic tapes were solid! It currently has a 4K from Criterion. While I'm unsure about special features lag, the AV is reference. Absolutely pick it up, and worry about double dipping for special features later.

The King of Comedy (1982): Forget it, Jake, it's Disneytown. We're not getting a 4K of this one. The previous Blu-ray, which is most likely OOP, is solid. It was allegedly sourced from a 4K scan/restoration/master by Scorsese and his team, so pick it up before the prices are through the roof.

After Hours (1985): Finally got a reference 4K last year from Criterion. Absolutely pick it up. Also consider double dipping on the 2004 DVD for a slightly different commentary track, and an old tape or OG laserdisc for an open matte transfer.

The Color of Money (1986): Like The King Of Comedy, this is owned by Disney. Unlike The King Of Comedy, the current Blu-ray of The Color Of Money is bottom of the barrel awful. Like, Mill Creek awful. It's sourced from the same transfer as the DVD, has terrible picture and terrible sound, and brings nothing to the table. It needs to be redone from scratch. A new scan, restoration, and master lead by Scorsese and his team, at least the two original soundtracks need to be remastered (35mm was 4/2/4 Dolby Stereo, 70mm was six-track stereo, DVD was Dolby Digital 4.1, Blu-ray was DTS-HDMA 5.1), and we need special features.

Perhaps doing it to coincide with a 4K of The Hustler would work, but unfortunately this is owned by Disney too.

The Last Temptation of Christ (1988): First let me say all the critics have their Christian movies backwards. The Last Temptation Of Christ is the movie that needs to be on a pedestal, and The Passion Of The Christ is the movie that needs to be hated.

Second, this has an iffy transfer off an IP from Criterion, but my Spidey senses tell me a 4K is coming. Wait it out.

Goodfellas (1990): This one's interesting. There's an old Digibook Blu-ray worth picking up, even though the transfer is weak (the actual movie disc is from 2007). There's a two-disc Blu-ray with swag from 2015 worth picking up too, which has an amazing transfer. There's a standard 4K and SteelBook 4K from 2016 that has the two 2015 discs, no swag, a strong UHD transfer, but a horrible HDR color grade. The Film Vault has a collectors edition with the problematic 4K, the Blu-ray from 2007/2010 (same disc), and a ton of swag. While this currently means you need five copies to have everything, I believe that the film will eventually be redone, and while there may be some swag left behind, at least you'll have solid AV and all special features in one box.

Also, check out the DVD of the ESPN 30 For 30 episode "Playing For The Mob". It tells of a college basketball point shaving scandal that the real life Henry Hill and Jimmy Conway (real name Jimmy Burke) took part in, and is narrated by Ray Liotta.

Cape Fear (1991): I don't know how this passed the Blu-ray.com smell test even in 2011. This disc is terrible. It looks like a DVD. It needs to be redone. A 4K scan/restoration/master by Scorsese and his team would be great. Criterion, Arrow, and Universal are the candidates here.

As a special feature, include the pan-and-scan transfer from the early 90s. It's actually fairly interesting. Like many directors, Scorsese was pushing for widescreen-only releases of movies, and like many of them his demand got shot down for Cape Fear. As a compromise, he was asked to personally oversee the pan-and-scan transfer so that it would be as close to his intentions as possible. Scorsese got the last laugh however, and intentionally borked the pan-and-scan to the point of making it unwatchable, all while a widescreen laserdisc was available. While a doubt many of us would be able to make it past the 10-minute mark, it would be a cool addition. Also, you could show it to the youngins so they know how bad we had it before the 4K era.

The Age of Innocence (1993): Has a solid Blu-ray from Criterion, has what seems to be a solid 4K coming from Sony in the CC5 set. The only hangup might be the soundtracks. The film had 4/2/4 Dolby Stereo in most engagements and 8-channel SDDS (7.1) in others, while the Criterion release had only 5.1. Hopefully all three tracks are on this 4K.

Casino (1995): The only problem with this 4K is that it doesn't have the original 5.1 track included. Eventually, when some boutique does it (either Arrow or Criterion), hopefully they include everything. Until then, buy the 4K, but also know that the included Blu is ancient, solid, but still ancient. A remastered Blu-ray is also available.

Kundun (1997): And so we come to Kundun, a film that while it has a similar history to Song Of The South, Kundun takes up a lot more space in my mind. Much like SOTS, Kundun is being held in the Disney Vault to avoid offending people. Unlike SOTS, the people Disney is afraid of offending is the Chinese Communist Party. Not the Chinese people as a whole, not the billions of people suffering under an evil, brutal regime, but the CCP itself, the regime causing the suffering. Basically, the CCP got their balls twisted because Kundun had a flattering portrayal of the Dalai Lama, and Disney not just vaulted the film, but Disney's brass has repeatedly kissed the ass of the CCP and repeatedly apologized to the CCP for making the film.

A 4K seems impossible at this point. I literally think London After Midnight has a better chance of getting a 4K than Kundun does. For the time being, consider the OOP and obscenely expensive Kino Blu-ray, which is great. Also consider the limited Martin Scorsese: Films Of Faith set from Imprint (The Last Temptation Of Christ, Kundun, and Silence). Worth every penny.

Bringing Out the Dead (1999): After that rant, plus The Color Of Money, imagine what would happen if this Paramount/Touchstone co-production was funded and owned just a little bit differently. Bringing Out The Dead was last released on VHS, DVD, and laserdisc in 2000 (fun fact: BOTD and Sleepy Hollow were the last two laserdiscs in America, released on the same day), and that DVD has been reprinted a few times since. It was recently announced for 4K, and I hope it's good. Per the press release, the disc has Atmos, and per the Blu-ray.com specs (always reliable, never ever wrong) the disc has Atmos and lossless 5.1. Hopefully the 5.1 is included, since it is after all the original audio.

Gangs of New York (2002): As Paramount now has control of this, I don't know what the hell is taking so long. Along with Tarantino, Gangs Of New York is the most demanded Miramax film for a 4K. The original disc was either never reviewed here or the review was scrubbed, which along with the transfer would make two things that were mercilessly scrubbed. The second disc was better, but is beginning to show its age. A 4K is needed here, with all the special features.

Oh, and while we're at it, include the original cut. There's boots circulating of it. Miramax has copies of it. Scorsese himself has copies of it. Other cast and crew have copies of it. Bob and Harvey themselves have/had copies of it. If both cuts were included it would be a candidate for release of the year. And since the dude blocking it is currently in a 6x4, there's literally nothing in the way now.

The Aviator (2004): Warner Bros. will eventually do this, but the question is when. The current disc from 2007 is clunky. Even the Blu-ray.com review of said disc is clunky! Where the hell is the 4K?

The Departed (2006): Just got done on 4K, and it's solid. Major special features lag though, so find the 2-disc DVD if you can.

Shutter Island (2010): There's currently a SteelBook 4K, a standard 4K, and one of those "everything in one DVD case" 4Ks. All have the same solid 4K disc. This one's been taken care of.

Hugo (2011): Arrow did a 4K+3D+Standard version. This one's covered. Now why can't all movies get that treatment? We're like one for a thousand.

The Wolf of Wall Street (2013): Both cuts would be nice when this eventually gets rereleased years down the road, but for right now the 4K is great.

Silence (2016): One of Scorsese's most underrated films. Paramount is an option for a 4K, but my money's on either Criterion or Arrow.

The Irishman (2019): Criterion will eventually do a 4K, but the question is when. In the meantime, either buy the solid Criterion Blu-ray or stream it on Netflix.

Killers of the Flower Moon (2023): And we finish with a weird one. It's out on 4K in Europe, on a region locked 4K. While that would usually indicate that a US 4K is coming, I haven't heard a peep about one. Paramount seems likely from the studio end, Criterion and Arrow seem likely from the boutiques. Either way, for a film this celebrated to just go unreleased on physical is a shame. This reminds me of some of the years several decades back where one amazing film got dominated by another amazing film at the Oscars (Spartacus/West Side Story, Doctor Zhivago/The Sound Of Music, Cabaret/The Godfather, and Dog Day Afternoon/One Flew Over The Cuckoo's Nest are great examples). Last year, with Killers Of The Flower Moon and Oppenheimer, was one of those years. Hopefully this film gets a US release soon.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by Flex_MythoMass

Yep, I can think of only two releases that would get me truly excited like before. American Beauty and Lost in Translation in 4K. Supposedly the latter is coming from Kino but they've been radio silent on the release.

Originally Posted by JoelGoodsen

I LOVE American Beauty. Fairly confident it will see a 4K at some point. Lost In Translation is another personal favourite. Kino will get it released as soon as Sofia Coppola free's up some time (hopefully soon!)

American Beauty is...interesting.

It's a Best Picture winner. Whether it earned it or not, whether people agree with it winning or not, it still won the damn award. That right there should be one of the benchmarks for "we need to treat this movie properly".

The current Blu-ray is awful. It fails the iPhone test (meaning you can see how bad the disc is on a screen as small as an iPhone), and it looks even worse on a big screen.

If it was almost any other film, Best Picture winner or not, the studio would pounce on restoring it, the director would be vocal about getting the film restored, and it would be out there.

But this isn't any other film. This is the movie where Kevin Spacey plays the guy creeping on a teenager. And while maybe that would've passed the smell test 25 years ago, it's hard to justify the film after he's been charged with, sued for, and accused of creeping on teenagers.

Just imagine for a second, if hypothetically Ralph Fiennes suddenly faced charges of antisemitism and violence against Jews after Schindler's List, or if Clark Gable and Vivien Leigh had engaged in racism after Gone With The Wind, or if Marlon Brando and Robert De Niro ran a mafia family after The Godfather 1 and 2, or if Tom Cruise had an autistic brother he was seriously trying to exploit after Rain Man. Those movies would be wholly reevaluated too.

American Beauty is retroactively in a class by itself. I can't name any other movie where the actor was accused of doing or was verified to have done the same horrible and inexcusable wrongdoing as their character in a movie.

Also, the director who previously touted American Beauty as his greatest accomplishment hasn't spoken a word about it since the news on Spacey broke several years ago. It wouldn't shock me if he disowned the film, if he himself vaulted the film, or if the studio vaulted the film.

Assuming the film is available, whoever has that film (it's either Universal or Paramount, I forget) is an option, and they could also farm it out. I believe both have contracts with Criterion, Arrow, Kino, Shout, and Vinegar Syndrome. Either way, it's going to have to be someone who doesn't mind taking the heat from releasing the film. Make no mistake, there will be people cheering if American Beauty gets announced, but the company doing the disc is inevitably also going to have to eat a lot of shit over it.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by hawkikwah

I saw Monster in the theater and was blown away.

I heard Monster and got excited for a minute.

That one needs a 4K yesterday.

[dwk]

A 4K DCP of The Last Temptation of Christ played earlier this year at Museum of the Moving Image

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by TV2693

$50 for Pat Garrett And Billy the KiD 4k is absurd.

Originally Posted by gkolb

The MSRP is $70 for 2 BD-100 and 2 BD-50 discs.
This will be $35 on sale at both Criterion.com and BarnesandNoble.com in sales this fall, if you can wait it out.

Originally Posted by TV2693

I can wait, I don't remember it making much of an impression on me when I first saw it, but the new release piqued my interest.

Originally Posted by Gacivory

It’s $35 right now at the Barnes & Noble website.

https://www.barnesandnoble.com/w/dvd...=0715515298018

Originally Posted by Rayjg

Fixed

Um, guys?

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

Blu-ray (Two Blu-rays): $25 (regular price $50)

4K (Two 4Ks, Two Blu-rays, all three cuts on both formats per Svet): $35 (regular price $70)

(Prices only good during B&N sales)

$25 for two solid Blu-ray discs and $35 for two solid 4Ks and two solid Blu-rays ain't that bad. I say bite the bullet and go for it. If you have extra cash, pick up the old DVD too for the sake of the cuts and features that weren't carried over.

Now what's maddening is that even with two fairly comprehensive releases and many books and docs over the years, we still don't have everything for this movie. If you have every book, every doc, the DVD, and the 4K, you only have about 40% of what there is for PG. Just think about that.

I know I didn't do all that homework for nothing.

[Gacivory]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

Um, guys?



I know I didn't do all that homework for nothing.

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

Um, guys?



I know I didn't do all that homework for nothing.

How long were you suspended for? How far back in this thread are you going? How long are you going to spam this thread with a bunch of answers to a lot of stuff that was settled weeks ago while you were gone.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by Scottie

Surely this is the month that a complete Twin Peaks 4K box set is announced.

Originally Posted by Gacivory

They missed the chance to announce it or release it on February 24.

Originally Posted by jshaide

I've had my Z to A set in my drafts on eBay for months waiting to pull the trigger, haha.

Originally Posted by joshinminn

I'm sort of mystified by the idea of Criterion releasing the full series. It already has great releases on BD and there doesn't seem to be many other series that they've tackled. Definitely looking forward to a 4K FWWM, and if they do the series, I'd probably double dip.

Criterion has done very few TV shows. Off-hand, the only ones I can think of are their long-abandoned Criterion Television Classics laserdiscs (I think one was I Love Lucy and the other was The Addams Family), and Tanner '88 on both laserdisc and DVD.

Not only does this have to do with the length of a potential release, but this also starts them down a slippery slope of abandoning their vision.

With that being said, if there's any TV show that they could, should, and likely would do, it's Twin Peaks. I can't even imagine another TV show that has a chance. A 4K, with all cuts and all special features, would be a dream come true.

It would also be expensive as fook, but I'd still buy it.

[tau31]

Make sure to check your Patt Garett discs, I really thought I was home free from the Mexico factory curse after a good run after my Peeping Tom disc came scratched. Luckily it was just one of the blus and one of the 4ks just had outer layer scratching (minimal).

[The Great Owl]

My first July 2024 Barnes & Noble trip is on the books.

Le Samouraï 4K
Picnic at Hanging Rock 4K
Blue Velvet 4K

[bergman864]

Originally Posted by Shane Rollins

American Beauty is...interesting.

[Show spoiler]It's a Best Picture winner. Whether it earned it or not, whether people agree with it winning or not, it still won the damn award. That right there should be one of the benchmarks for "we need to treat this movie properly".

The current Blu-ray is awful. It fails the iPhone test (meaning you can see how bad the disc is on a screen as small as an iPhone), and it looks even worse on a big screen.

If it was almost any other film, Best Picture winner or not, the studio would pounce on restoring it, the director would be vocal about getting the film restored, and it would be out there.

But this isn't any other film. This is the movie where Kevin Spacey plays the guy creeping on a teenager. And while maybe that would've passed the smell test 25 years ago, it's hard to justify the film after he's been charged with, sued for, and accused of creeping on teenagers.

Just imagine for a second, if hypothetically Ralph Fiennes suddenly faced charges of antisemitism and violence against Jews after Schindler's List, or if Clark Gable and Vivien Leigh had engaged in racism after Gone With The Wind, or if Marlon Brando and Robert De Niro ran a mafia family after The Godfather 1 and 2, or if Tom Cruise had an autistic brother he was seriously trying to exploit after Rain Man. Those movies would be wholly reevaluated too.

American Beauty is retroactively in a class by itself. I can't name any other movie where the actor was accused of doing or was verified to have done the same horrible and inexcusable wrongdoing as their character in a movie.

Also, the director who previously touted American Beauty as his greatest accomplishment hasn't spoken a word about it since the news on Spacey broke several years ago. It wouldn't shock me if he disowned the film, if he himself vaulted the film, or if the studio vaulted the film.

Assuming the film is available, whoever has that film (it's either Universal or Paramount, I forget) is an option, and they could also farm it out. I believe both have contracts with Criterion, Arrow, Kino, Shout, and Vinegar Syndrome. Either way, it's going to have to be someone who doesn't mind taking the heat from releasing the film. Make no mistake, there will be people cheering if American Beauty gets announced, but the company doing the disc is inevitably also going to have to eat a lot of shit over it.

To be fair I don't hear Sam Mendes speaking much about Road to Perdition either, unless I'm just out of the loop with that one. American Beauty is a Best Picture winner and would likely be a better candidate for 4K but it just seems like Mendes isn't interested in revisiting his early films.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by DeyoreW

Can anyone offer suggestions for the best Criterion 4K upgrades from Blu? After reading several reviews saying small resolution uptick's, dark gradings, little noticeable difference etc, I haven't taken the plunge for any 4K upgrades since I own just about all the Criterion Blu's.

Was curious what folks in the forum thought were the worthwhile upgrades that really impressed compared to previous older Criterion blu's.

We're gonna take this one at a time...

Originally Posted by DeyoreW

Can anyone offer suggestions for the best Criterion 4K upgrades from Blu?

Upgrades from older Criterion Blu:
The Last Emperor (massive upgrade)
Videodrome
Night Of The Living Dead (the DV is the big deal here)
Three Colors

Upgrades from day-and-date Criterion Blu:
After Hours
Citizen Kane (again, the DV is the big selling point)

Upgrades from other boutiques' Blu-rays:
The Silence Of The Lambs

Upgrades from studio Blu-rays/non-boutique Blu-rays:
TSOTL again
Godzilla 54/56 (Gojira/Godzilla: King Of The Monsters!)
Enter The Dragon and the entire Bruce Lee set

Originally Posted by DeyoreW

small resolution uptick's

When you have a 4K scan/restoration/master from a negative on a Blu-ray, and then you drop that same master on a 4K, of course there's not much difference. Take the 4Ks I own - After Hours, Night Of The Living Dead - and the 4K I've seen - Citizen Kane. You could play them side by side and likely fool lots of people including me.

Now, if you play any of them against an older master, you'll instantly see a difference.

When you have a strong ≥4K transfer to begin with, it will look 99% the same on Blu-ray and 4K. Even on DVD you'll get a pretty good result. (Not a glowing endorsement of DVD though, Blu is the minimum at this point.

Originally Posted by DeyoreW

dark gradings

This is one of the most misguided complaints about 4Ks. 4K does not make the discs too dark, nor do HDR or DV. Bad HDR and bad DV make the disc too dark, and bad discs with these types of color grades are what make people say "all 4K and HDR and DV do is make the discs too dark".

Most of the time, the change in color grades on a disc is neither revisionism nor a bad color grade. It's usually the result of the color timing being set properly for the first time since the original theatrical release. Older DVDs and Blu-rays had artificial changes to their color levels, brightness, contrast, and saturation for the sake of looking more flashy on the TV. This occurred at the expense of radically altering the original color timing of the film. The 4K is usually the first home video release where the colors are set right, and considering we're dealing with movies that are at least 20 years old, that's pretty shocking.

Off the top of my head, the only two 4Ks I know of that have either a bad color grade altogether or bad HDR/DV are Goodfellas and Heat. Goodfellas has a great scan, a great restoration, and a great master, all overseen by Martin Scorsese and his team. Where Goodfellas went wrong is that the HDR was done either by an party unconnected to the initial 2015 restoration, or possibly by a computer/AI. As a result of not knowing what they were doing, a significant portion of the already dark movie is either crushed to shit or darkened to the point where even though it's not crushed it's also not discernible. Heat on the other hand went wrong the second the negatives left the cans, since the director radically altered the color palette. In this case, it wasn't a bad HDR grade on a good transfer, it was a bad transfer made worse by a bad HDR grade. The initial transfer was badly discolored and way too dark, and the HDR grade was even further discolored and even darker.

So two for at least 5,000 is not really "dark gradings" all around. 99% of 4Ks are perfect, reference copies of their movies, literally the closest you can get to having a pristine 35mm or 70mm print in your home. There's at most 100 bad 4Ks out there, and unfortunately those 100ish discs are the ones that get the most attention.

Originally Posted by DeyoreW

little noticeable difference

See "small resolution upticks".

Originally Posted by DeyoreW

etc

The King and I Etc , Etc , Etc YouTube2 - YouTube

Originally Posted by DeyoreW

I haven't taken the plunge for any 4K upgrades since I own just about all the Criterion Blu's.

There's no one-size-fits-all answer on which ones you should upgrade. Also, even though the 4Ks are so far vast improvements over the Blu-rays, most of their Blu-rays are still very solid. The only truly bad Blu-rays of theirs I know of are The Last Emperor and the Wong Kar Wai box set. (Edit: The standard Blu of Le Samourai is very weak too, and the 4K is a night and day improvement. Thanks to koberulz for reminding me of that. I don't know how I forgot that one.) I'm sure there's others, but most of their discs are so solid that you shouldn't rush to upgrade them. Don't give into the pressure to keep up with the Joneses. Just because everyone else on here has the biggest and best copies of everything doesn't mean you should break yourself just so that you can have it too.

Originally Posted by DeyoreW

Was curious what folks in the forum thought were the worthwhile upgrades that really impressed compared to previous older Criterion blu's.

So far, all their 4Ks have been an upgrade, but like I said, no disc is so worthwhile an upgrade, from Criterion or anyone else, that justifies you breaking the bank to upgrade everything.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by Watershipdownisgood

Hoping for October to be just a big horror and Japanese film month

Hoping for
Demon Pond Blu-Ray plus 4K UHD
Seven Samurai 4K UHD
Stray Dog Blu-Ray
The Bad Sleep Well Blu-Ray
Eyes Without a Face 4K UHD one of the few French horror films out there also haven’t seen it yet
I Walked With a Zombie Blu-Ray
Kwaidan 4K UHD plus Blu-Ray
Barbarian Blu-Ray plus 4K UHD highly doubt we’re getting this one but you never know
Drunken Angel Blu-Ray

Every. Single. One. Of. These.

Barbarian might take the cake for the biggest "shove it up your ass" home video release of 2022. When Disney announced its digital release, they were explicitly asked about physical media. Their answer boiled down to "it won't be getting a physical release, but it's on streaming and streaming is so much better" and all that BS. Two years later, still nothing.

As for I Walked With A Zombie, as well as The Seventh Victim, what the actual hell is taking so long? Seriously! They've been on my WAC list for years!

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

Looks like someone’s suspension was lifted.

Yep, I'm back.

[Show spoiler]

The sad thing is I got banned for "discussing boots"...for a post saying why boots weren't really the answer. I spent the week I was banned scratching my head wondering what I said wrong.

Call boots "at best a temporary patch until the real disc shows up", banned for a week. But call a certain figure in our community "a penis with a set of glasses", nothing happens. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Either way, I'm happy to be back. Lots of catching up to do. It's nice to know you guys were thinking about me while I was gone. It warms my heart.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by Gacivory

How long were you suspended for? How far back in this thread are you going? How long are you going to spam this thread with a bunch of answers to a lot of stuff that was settled weeks ago while you were gone.

THANK YOU!

So on my end, I kept getting either 504 Bad Gateway or 506 Bad Gateway all three times before I tried to post it. I eventually gave up.

I didn't know the damn thing posted three times!

Ugh. I hate my computer. Thanks, Gacivory, for getting my attention.

I really need to put some of my disc money toward a better phone and computer.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by NeoNical

Janus Films HQ has just given Michael Mann's Miami Vice a 5/5

As to whether or not this is ANY indication of a future release, we now know that whoever runs the Janus Films Letterboxd account has good taste.

https://letterboxd.com/janusfilms/film/miami-vice/

Credit goes to u/International-Sky65 (This is how I first found out)

Originally Posted by Scottie

It really is so good.

I can never decide between Collateral, Heat, or Miami Vice as my favorite MM film.

Originally Posted by SeanJoyce

That is entirely disrespectful to Heat, Collateral and Michael Mann.

Miami Vice is poverty-row Mann.

Originally Posted by Driver78

A criterion edition of Miami Vice the movie? Well, I guess if Armageddon got one.

Amazon isn't price matching everything so I had to go out and grab a copy of Le Samourai in-store. It's a million degrees here with 120% humidity so it wasn't fun.

Originally Posted by jw007

Whenever Michael Mann's name comes up here, I just have to post something. I'm not sure I can compare Miami Vice to those two aforementioned films in terms of stone-cold amazing acting and original story however. But MV has its place in the canon of crime sagas and being that it's based on the 1984 TV series, it's even more admirable. Aside from the obscure The Keep and the misfire Blackhat, it's ranked as Mann's worst film (on Rotten Tomatoes) if that means anything.

If there's one movie that I think would be really cool in the Criterion Collection, it would be The Insider. From a soundtrack and musical standpoint, it is one of Michael Mann's most stirring and moving films (aside from The Last of the Mohicans).

Originally Posted by dwk

Likely related to the twitter discourse around the film (long story short, someone tweeted that they were showing the film to their girlfriend and someone decided to make a stink about it and when she was called out she had a meltdown about it.)

I'm admittedly torn about Mann having more movies in the collection.

On one hand, his movies are great and need to be preserved. Thief, The Keep (even in its current state), Manhunter, The Last Of The Mohicans, Heat, and more all need to be preserved so the next generations see his work.

On the other hand, his idea of film restoration runs entirely counter to what we consider film restoration to be. Even his Blu-ray of Thief that Criterion and Arrow released was disappointing, solely because he decided to play in his sandbox rather than properly restore the movie.

He recently did Heat, and it's one of the worst 4Ks out there because of his revisionism. He's also now doing Manhunter for an upcoming 4K, and again it will be severely altered from its original theatrical version.

If Criterion would just do both cuts, I would probably be more willing to give the releases a chance. But as is, with him constantly re-editing the films, it's hard to justify wanting his films in the collection.

I also think it's not a coincidence that Mann, Cameron, Friedkin, Lucas, Jackson, and the Coens have a very small footprint with the boutiques. It's also not a coincidence that the only one of those six with an expanding footprint is dead so he can't throw his hat in the ring.

Originally Posted by Driver78

A criterion edition of Miami Vice the movie? Well, I guess if Armageddon got one.

Amazon isn't price matching everything so I had to go out and grab a copy of Le Samourai in-store. It's a million degrees here with 120% humidity so it wasn't fun.

In all seriousness, if a Michael Bay movie got a Criterion release, I'd be down for it.

1. His movies are the definition of demo films. Armageddon, The Rock, Pearl Harbor, Ambulance, they're all great for showing off your TV and speakers. His older films need to make the jump.

2. The Rock and Armageddon were already in the Collection, and their return would be most welcome.

3. The director's cut of Armageddon was only available through Criterion. Allegedly the elements are now lost, but I personally can't verify that.

4. The films of Bay's that we want are all owned by Disney. Any Disney film we can get our hands on is a win.

[Shane Rollins]

Originally Posted by take1leave1

Now that they have a relationship with the Wachowskis, I am hoping that we get Jupiter Ascending. It is one of the most underrated sci-fi films of recent years.

Originally Posted by Areyakiddin

What's wrong with the existing 4k release?

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Also, it's Jupiter Ascending.

Originally Posted by take1leave1

True, Cloud Atlas is probably the only other Wachowski film that has a shot.

Originally Posted by eightslicesofpie

lol I think Jupiter Ascending is very fun and I'm a fan but the idea of a Criterion edition of it is wild

Originally Posted by ravenus

Criterion could do Speed Racer as an example of a film being a living embodiment of an anime show, if Warner would let them, and supplied original materials to work with.

Originally Posted by saltburn

There's a Jupiter Ascending bit/joke for you in Beverly Hills Cop: Axel F

Originally Posted by RevolverOcelScott

I'd much rather get Speed Racer or Cloud Atlas personally. Don't think either of them are "Criterion-able" though

I would assume that Speed Racer and Cloud Atlas will eventually get 4Ks. I think most of their sales potential hinges on the Wachowskis' names. Speed Races may have some IP issues, but as far as I know nothing is holding up Cloud Atlas.

Criterion ain't gonna happen, but Arrow and Shout might. WHV is also a candidate.

Also, considering how far WAC is from a 4K (I think they'll be doing them by 2035), they might seriously do a 4K of these movies, but we'll be waiting a loooooong time.

I'd also like to see a 4K of the very underrated Assassins. I get the Wachowskis hated it, but I still love it.