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Old 11-30-2012, 09:53 AM   #56841
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So who here in this forum ever goes to their local library and rents Criterion films before purchasing them? ...
Between my city and county libraries, I've borrowed hundreds of films, many of them Criterions. One library stocks Blu-rays, so I recently got to see "Being John Malkovich" on Blu-ray.

Trying before buying definitely lets one decide whether a film is worth buying.
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Between my city and county libraries, I've borrowed hundreds of films, many of them Criterions. One library stocks Blu-rays, so I recently got to see "Being John Malkovich" on Blu-ray.

Trying before buying definitely lets one decide whether a film is worth buying.
I usually don't try before buying on Criterions, because I can always flip them for what I paid on eBay. It's a little extra hassle, but no more so IMO than trekking back and forth to a library,
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Old 11-30-2012, 11:32 AM   #56843
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Watching 'Ran' 1985 for the first time atm. Suddenly wishing Criterion held the rights over this when compared to StudioCanal, especially the boxart alone Would prefer this over Kagemusha which I simply struggled to watch
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So I watched Paths of Glory last night, and wow, I heard it was good, but I wasn't expecting it to be that good. It's my new favorite Kubrick. I haven't seen Lolita, Barry Lyndon, or Eyes Wide Shut, but I doubt they could top that.

Also watched Fanny and Alexander over the week-end; I don't know if I loved it, but I know I watched the last 4 hours without pausing or getting bored, so that says something about it.
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So I watched Paths of Glory last night, and wow, I heard it was good, but I wasn't expecting it to be that good. It's my new favorite Kubrick. I haven't seen Lolita, Barry Lyndon, or Eyes Wide Shut, but I doubt they could top that.

Also watched Fanny and Alexander over the week-end; I don't know if I loved it, but I know I watched the last 4 hours without pausing or getting bored, so that says something about it.
I'm a BIG Kubrick fan and I own and have seen all of his films currently available. I'd have to agree that Paths of Glory is near the top of my list...but on your list, Lolita is a good early film of his and Barry Lyndon is a cinematic masterpiece. It is worth owning for the cinematography alone. There are scenes shot inside that are lit purely by candlelight. This was done by purchasing special lenses and two cameras from WB that they didn't want anymore. One of the camera men was visibly upset as he said, "these cameras aren't available anymore and you just sold them to Stanley..."

Here is a great piece I found online, describing how this was accomplished...

[Show spoiler]Two Special Lenses for "Barry Lyndon" by Ed DiGiulio (President, Cinema Products Corp.)

From: American Cinematographer

How the stringent demands of a purist-perfectionist film-maker led to the development of two valuable new cinematographic tools.

My first contact with Stanley Kubrick was when he was referred to me by our mutual friend, Haskell Wexier, ASC, during Kubrick's preparation for "A CLOCKWORK ORANGE". Haskell indicated to him that I and my company were very responsive to the demanding needs of professional filmmakers, especially when it came to coming up with unique solutions to difficult probems.

For "CLOCKWORK" we purchased a standard Mitchell BNC for Kubrick and overhauled it, but did not reflex it or modify it in any special way. Kubrick's attitude has always been that he would rather work with a non-reflexed BNC and thereby gain tremendous flexibility and latitude in adaptation of special lenses to the camera - as was subsequently the case on "BARRY LYNDON". For "CLOCKWORK" w e also supplied the major accessory items for which we are well known, such as the "Joy Stick" zoom control, the BNC crystal motor and the Arri crystal motor.



(Above Left) the Zeiss 50mm, f/0.7 lens, shown in special focusing-mount (and with adjustable shutter blade removed). (Center) in front, the specially modified Zeiss 50mm, f/0.7 lens. Behind it, the lens before modification. (Right) Zeiss 50mm f/0.7 lens with Kollmorgen adaptor, creating an effective focal length of 36.5mm.



(Above Left) Zeiss f/0.7 lens in special focusing mount. (Center) Lens with Kollmorgen adaptor - 36.5mm focal length. (Right) The Cine-Pro T/9 24-480mm zoom lens, shown with J-4 zoom control.

At the very early stages of his preparation for "BARRY LYNDON", Kubrick scoured the world looking for exotic, ultra-fast lenses, because he knew he would be shooting extremely low light level scenes. It was his objective, incredible as it seemed at the time, to photograph candle-lit scenes in old English castles by only the light of the candles themselves! A former still photographer for Look magazine, Kubrick has become extremely knowledgeable with regard to lenses and, in fact, has taught himself every phase of the technical application of his filming equipment. He called one day to ask me if I thought I could fit a Zeiss lens he had procured, which had a focal length of 50mm and a maximum aperture of f/O.7. He sent me the dimensional specifications, and I reported that it was impossible to fit the lens to his BNC because of its large diameter and also because the rear element came within 4mm of the film plane. Stanley, being the meticulous craftsman that he is, would not take 'No" for an answer and persisted until I reluctantly agreed to take a hard look at the problem.

When the lens arrived, we could see it was designed as a still camera lens, with a Compur shutter built into the lens. The diameter of the lens was so large that it would just barely fit into the BNC lens port, leaving no room for an additional focusing shell. As a consequence, we had to design a focusing arrangement so that the entire lens barrel rotates freely in the lens port. To avoid possible binds that might result from this unconventional mode of operation, we added a second locating pin to the standard BNC lens flange, so that the two pins securely held the lens barrel concentric with the lens port during operation.

The problem of the close proximity of the rear element to the film plane was a much more difficult matter to resolve. To begin with, we removed the adjustable shutter blade, leaving the camera with only a fixed maximum opening. We then had to machine the body housing and the aperture plate a considerable distance inward so that the fixed shutter blade could be pulled back as far as possible toward the film plane.

Naturally, the Compur shutter had to be dismantled and the iris leaves altered so that they could be manually operated in the normal manner. Calibrating the focus scale on the lens presented quite a problem, too. A lens as fast as this has an extremely shallow depth of field when shooting wide open, so Kubrick understandably wanted to have as broad a band spread on the scale as possible. To do this we used an extremely fine thread for the focusing barrel and this resulted in a scale which required two complete revolutions to go from infinity down to approximately 5 feet. We had to stop at 5 feet or it would have taken several more revolutions to bring it to the near focus point. Kubrick agreed that this was as close a focus as he would require, and that stopping at two revolutions would make the scale less ambiguous.

Remembering that this lens was to be used on a non-reflexed BNC and, further, that the rear element of the lens came within 4mm of the film plane, an additional problem was that the camera could not be racked over to the viewing position if the lens were in its normal filming position. Accordingly, we designed a safety interlock switch so that the lens had to be rotated a full nine revolutions out before the micro switch would trip, permitting the camera to be racked over. In this manner we protected the rear element of the lens from being inadvertently smashed if the operator attempted to rack over before the lens was moved forward sufficiently.



Ed DiGiulio, President of Cinema Products Corporation, shown holding the new Cine-Pro 20-to-1 (24mm-480mm) lens, which was originally designed at the request of Stanley Kubrick specially for filming "Barry Lyndon". The Zeiss 50mm, f/0.7 lens, with the Kollmorgen adaptor, is mounted on the non-reflexed Mitchell BNC camera utilized to shoot the film's candlelight sequence.

The lens and camera were sent to Kubrick who film-tested it and reported that the results were fantastic. He found, however, that he did have to recalibrate our scale, apparently because of some slight shift in camera position during shipment. We subsequently determined that it was necessary for us to tighten up the dovetail gibs upon which the camera racks back and forth to the point where racking over became fairly stiff, since the flange focal depth of the lens was so extremely critical.



To protect the rear element of the Zeiss 50mm, f/0.7 lens (which was within 4mm of the film plane), a special safety interlock switch was designed so that the lens had to be rotated a full nine revolutions out before the micro-switch would trip, permitting the camera to be racked over.

At this point Kubrick complained that the single 50mm focal length was too limiting and that what he required was a wider-angle lens of the same speed. He began thinking in terms of various anamorphosing schemes or other optical tricks to widen the angle of the lens we had. I told him that before doing anything as mind-boggling as this I would check with some of the optical experts I knew to see if there were a simpler way. As luck would have it, Dr. Richard Vetter of Todd-A-O, a man whose optical expertise I've always held in high esteem, suggested to me that the result I was trying to achieve could probably be accomplished by using a projection lens adapter, designed by the Kollmorgen Corporation, which was originally intended to modify the focal length of 70mm projection lenses in theatres so that the image format could exactly match the size of the screen.

We purchased one of these adapters, mounted it to the front of the lens, and after some optical and mechanical manipulation we were pleased to see that the effective focal length of our composite lens system was 36.5mm. The aperture of the new 36.5mm lens remained at f/0.7 and its effective aperture was reduced only slightly by the minor light absorption in the two front elements. We sent this lens on to Kubrick and, again, he was ecstatic with the results. However, being the demanding technical genius that he is, Stanley Kubrick urged us to go further and see if we could come up with a still wider angle lens. Again I turned to Dr. Vetter, and this time he provided me with a "Dimension 150" lens adapter which, when mounted to the front of still another Zeiss 50mm prime lens, gave us an effective focal length of 24mm. However, at this point our improvisational engineering techniques began to catch up with us and Kubrick determined that the lens gave a bit too much distortion, so that he would not wish to intercut photography from this lens with photography from the other two.



The Zeiss 50mm and 36.5mm, f/0.7 lenses used to film candlelight sequences for "Barry Lyndon" without the addition of artificial light were originally still-camera lenses developed for use by NASA in the Apollo Moon-landing program, and modified by Cinema Products Corp. The 50mm lens, shown here in focusing mount, had to have the adjustable shutter blade, necessary for still photography, removed for filming.

As a technician and not a creative artist, I asked Kubrick the obvious question: Why were we going to all this trouble when the scene could be easily photographed with the high-quality super-speed lenses available today (such as those manufactured by Canon and Zeiss) with the addition of some fill light. He replied that he was not doing this just as a gimmick, but because he wanted to preserve the natural patina and feeling of these old castles at night as they actually were. The addition of any fill light would have added an artificiality to the scene that he did not want. To achieve the amount of light he actually needed in the candlelight scenes, and in order to make the whole movie balance out properly, Kubrick went ahead and push-developed the entire film one stop - outdoor and indoor scenes alike. I am sure that everyone who has seen the results on the screen must agree that Kubrick has succeeded in achieving some of the most unique and beautiful imagery in the cinematic art.



(Left) Specially machined aperture plate to accommodate the Zeiss 50mm, f/0.7 lens. (Right) The specially machined aperture plate in position in the specially machined camera body housing, both designed to accommodate the modified super-fast lens. Kubrick refused to settle for a standard high-speed lens and the addition of artificial light because he wanted to re-create the natural patina and mood of stately houses illuminated solely by candlelight, as they were during the period of the film's story.

On "A CLOCKWORK ORANGE", Kubrick had made effective use of a 20-to-1 zoom lens that he had rented from Samuelson Film Service in London. The closing scene of the movie, with a long slow pull-back from the hero of the story as he walks along the river, is a prime example of its application.

Kubrick likes to own all of his own equipment even to the extent of building his own very modest location vehicle. This may be partly an ego trip, but I think it is mainly due to the fact that he is meticulous about the care and maintenance of his equipment and is, therefore, very uncomfortable with equipment that someone else has used. In any event, for whatever reason, Kubrick insisted that I build him a 20-to-1 zoom lens for "BARRY LYNDON". What followed was a series of phone calls, telexes, and letters between Kubrick and myself and between me and the Angenieux Corporation, who were, in fact, the suppliers of the basic zoom components for all of these 20-to-1 zoom lenses. Through it all, Kubrick displayed the kind of technical knowledge and skill, rare in modern filmmakers, that enabled him to define the problem precisely and specify what had to be done to achieve the lens he wanted.

We went ahead with his program and were just able to put together a working prototype, still not properly finished or calibrated, so, that Kubrick would have it in time for the filming. Again he was delighted with the results, as seen in a number of exterior sequences in the film. We subsequently completed the design of this lens - the Cine-Pro T9 24-480mm zoom lens - and have built and sold several of these lenses. (And now that Kubrick has finished shooting the picture, we have finally completed the construction of his prototype lens.)

My relationship with Stanley Kubrick has been one of the most unusual, yet intellectually stimulating, that I have ever known. We have spent countless hours in telephone conversations, and written literally hundreds of letters and telexes back and forth. Yet I have never met the man! I felt sure I would while in London attending the Film '73 exhibition with my wife, Lou. We were escorted to his combination home-and-office by his executive producer, Jan Harlan. But when we arrived, Kubrick was out scouting locations for "BARRY LYNDON" and expressed his regrets at not having been there to meet us. We were, however, very graciously entertained by his lovely wife Christiane, who is an accomplished and recognized artist in her own right.

This minor frustration aside, it has been an exciting and stimulating experience working with a man of Kubrick's consummate skills and talents on his recent film projects. He currently has me investigating another camera/optical scheme he has in mind which I think I should keep confidential until he has had a chance to use it. Undoubtedly, it will be used on his next film project (a project which I look forward to with a mixture of trepidation and excitement).

Our company motto is: "Technology in the Service of Creativity." I cannot think of a more fitting example of our motto at work than the modest role my company and I played in the making of "BARRY LYNDON".

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Old 11-30-2012, 01:46 PM   #56848
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^Tremendous quote there if even if most of the technical details flew above my head. I enjoyed watching Barry Lyndon too, even though I can't say anything about its visuals other than that they looked great .
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:46 PM   #56849
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I usually don't try before buying on Criterions, because I can always flip them for what I paid on eBay. It's a little extra hassle, but no more so IMO than trekking back and forth to a library,
Agreed that Criterions have good resale value. At $20.99, one might buy-up a lot of "Brazil" and flip them to make some change, considering the list price is almost $50.

I go to a library regularly for other reasons, too. I've still done some blind-buys -- some good, some bad -- and I've sold on Amazon, so the net cost is about $5. Probably could have broken-even or made a little by pricing higher, but wanted to be done with them and figured it cost less than a movie ticket to see.
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Old 11-30-2012, 01:48 PM   #56850
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I saw a Twitter post from Criterion Cast about this...what exactly is it? I can't find it on Amazon and/or the Criterion website.
I don't know if it is still available, but Criterion was giving copies away if you purchased anything on their website. As far as I know, it is a dvd that contains all the 3 Reasons videos that they have released so far.

For those of you looking for Hard Eight, I posted a few months back that Criterion was in talks to release it. Or, at the very least they were considering releasing it.
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I usually don't try before buying on Criterions, because I can always flip them for what I paid on eBay.
They have such a high resale value that I almost always break even, and sometimes even make money when upgrading from DVD to Blu-ray.
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Old 11-30-2012, 02:13 PM   #56852
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My three favorites in the collection so far:

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So I watched Paths of Glory last night, and wow, I heard it was good, but I wasn't expecting it to be that good. It's my new favorite Kubrick. I haven't seen Lolita, Barry Lyndon, or Eyes Wide Shut, but I doubt they could top that.

Also watched Fanny and Alexander over the week-end; I don't know if I loved it, but I know I watched the last 4 hours without pausing or getting bored, so that says something about it.
Paths is one of my favorite Kubrik's as well, I may like Barry Lyndon more though.

I had the same experience with Fanny and Alexander, kind of struggled through the first two episodes, but was glued to the TV for the final 3 acts.
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Old 11-30-2012, 03:08 PM   #56854
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If Criterion puts out Hard Eight, I wonder if it will get released under Anderson's prefered title Sydney????
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Love PTA, but not the biggest fan of Hard Eight. I'd probably still get it though

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Old 11-30-2012, 04:29 PM   #56856
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My top 3 Criterion is probably my first 3 purchases:

Seven Samurai
Sanjuro
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Godzilla 1954 is almost there but sitting in a solid 4th place, gotta love the popup foldout!
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I don't see "Lists" on the list.... so no more lists unless the list gets updated to include lists:

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Here you go...just mix, match and repeat. And repeat and repeat and repeat.
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  • We need more Wes Anderson.
  • Good lord, not more Wes Anderson.
  • More Kurosawa, please.
  • Oh for the love of...more Kurosawa???
  • Woohoo, Rashomon. But we still need more Kurosawa.
  • Wooooooot, Rosemary's Godzilla Blob!!!
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  • South America is part of the world, you know...a rather big part, actually
  • B&N sale!!!
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  • When's the next B&N sale
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  • WTF is up with Wild Strawberries and Y Tu Mama Tambien???
  • TinyFurnitureblablahblah
  • The Nez is the r0x0rz!!!
  • Seriously, look at a map...it's there, I swear...just south of North America...you can't miss it
  • Is this a good blind buy?
  • Blind buys are stupid
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  • More Kurosawa!
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Though I'm certain this was mentioned already on some other part of this forum, I'd like to ask people's opinion on the Kino distribution label in comparison to Criterion (or Kino vs. Criterion).

According to this review on Stanley Kubrick's Fear and Desire, Kino's editorial policy—so to speak—is to present prints "as is", unlike Criterion, who will painstakingly remove specks and scratches and other debris using software.

https://www.blu-ray.com/movies/Fear-...Blu-ray/52414/

What I'd like to know is how come Criterion didn't pick up Fear and Desire before Kino did? I'm fairly certain that Criterion would have done a better job at least going the "extra mile" (which makes them stand out amongst the pack of distributors) to clean up Fear and Desire rather than just releasing the original film in its original (but damaged) state.

Does anyone here who are Criterion lovers like or accept the Kino Lorber distribution label?

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So, what do you guys think of the likelihood that Criterion will release Scanners? We know that Scream Factory was out bid by someone for it. We saw a new pic of David Cronenberg at Criterions facility. Cronenberg has history with Criterion and the film would be a nice fit in the Collection.
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Thanks for the recommendation for Seven Samurai
I watched the trailer and not that I have anything against b&w films, it just doesn't look appealing to female audiences...
It's sad I know but I don't think my friend would like this at all unless I'm wrong.
Also nothing against Japanese films. I'm Korean myself and personally don't mind the language but *sigh* my Canadian friend can only handle modern Asian films.
Again, it's sad I know..
I'm Canadian and female, and go against everything in your post. You really just need to make your friend watch the stuff.
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