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[Member-275053]

Originally Posted by RCRochester

Okay, I’ll bite and ask you. If you haven’t seen it, how can you say it doesn’t belong? If nothing else, it’s already in the Collection anyway, this is just an upgrade from the DVD.

Well, beside the fact that every other post in this thread is someone saying what they think should or should not be added to the collection (or upgraded to Blu-ray, in this case), regardless of whether or not they've seen it. Summertime is not even Top 5 David Lean and/or Top 10 Katharine Hepburn. Honestly, I hadn't even heard of it before now. And much like Vigojean finds it offensive that Devil in a Blue Dress would be added before those other films. I find it...strange that Summertime would be added before, say Adam's Rib, Little Women, Stage Door, or even Morning Glory. But that's just my opinion. And I may end up changing my mind after seeing it.

[PBateman87]

Originally Posted by JWFORD

Both were directed by Carl Franklin (for the uninitiated). And not unsurprisingly, he has no films in the collection. So, I'm sure he doesn't mind either way.

Dead Presidents better than Devil in a Blue Dress? Now you're just talking nonsense.

I also tend to agree about The Virgin Suicides, seeing as how the Blu-ray was just released four years ago. But Coppola only has two great films to choose from, and I'm assuming they can't get the rights to Lost in Translation.

All that being said, I plan to pick up all the July releases except for Summertime, which I'm still on the fence about because I haven't seen it. If you ask me, that's the one that doesn't belong. But anyway, it's streaming on HBO Max, so hopefully I'll be able to watch it before release date.

I just watched Summertime on HBO Max over the weekend, and I found it to be a great film (loved Hepburn’s performance) and utterly gorgeous to look at, between the eye-popping Technicolor and sumptuous Venetian setting. Not sure why you would say you “don’t think it belongs”, especially when you haven’t watched it. I’d say it absolutely belongs.

[DimitriL]

Originally Posted by dkelly26666

I'd love a Criterion "Silence", also.

Largely an unsung masterpiece. I saw it three times in the theater.

I want that, and also to complete Scorsese’s religion trilogy with the even more unsung Kundun. What a fantastic film, as close to purely visual as Scoesese’s ever made.

[dvining]

Originally Posted by JWFORD

Well, beside the fact that every other post in this thread is someone saying what they think should or should not be added to the collection (or upgraded to Blu-ray, in this case), regardless of whether or not they've seen it. Summertime is not even Top 5 David Lean and/or Top 10 Katharine Hepburn. Honestly, I hadn't even heard of it before now. And much like Vigojean finds it offensive that Devil in a Blue Dress would be added before those other films. I find it...strange that Summertime would be added before, say Adam's Rib, Little Women, Stage Door, or even Morning Glory. But that's just my opinion. And I may end up changing my mind after seeing it.

This makes no sense. Do you just take other people's opinions as your own?

[tatterdemalion]

Originally Posted by JWFORD

Well, beside the fact that every other post in this thread is someone saying what they think should or should not be added to the collection (or upgraded to Blu-ray, in this case), regardless of whether or not they've seen it. Summertime is not even Top 5 David Lean and/or Top 10 Katharine Hepburn. Honestly, I hadn't even heard of it before now. And much like Vigojean finds it offensive that Devil in a Blue Dress would be added before those other films. I find it...strange that Summertime would be added before, say Adam's Rib, Little Women, Stage Door, or even Morning Glory. But that's just my opinion. And I may end up changing my mind after seeing it.

Summertime was David Lean's favorite of his films and Hepburn herself felt it was one of her best. I was going to say I'm surprised you've never seen it but it has been exclusively, in the US, with Criterion for decades and is an upgrade from the 1998 edition, so they're not adding it. It does show on TCM on rare occasions. It's your 1950's American goes to Europe, in this case Venice Italy, and finds romance movie. So it's a dated romance but still works wonderfully because of the talents involved.

[rocknblues81]

Originally Posted by BamaDullard

I’m obviously in the minority, but I’ve never really cared for Raging Bull all that much. The rather deliberate pacing combined with the film’s overly forgiving attitude to its protagonist has always turned me off somewhat. I’ll take the raw and unpolished energy of Mean Streets any day.

Seems to be more hate than approval in this thread. So I guess you're not the only one.

[Member-275053]

You all need therapy! Apparently, everyone else is allowed to have an opinion except for me. Good night.

[slumcat]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

Someone at CriterionForum said this:



I believe this is based on Janus Film's Press Notes (PDF) for the film which specifically state the source was 2K:

Not surprised. I think the budget was revealed to be 1.3 million.

And Hamaguchi said it was a pretty huge budget for him.

[Mushi Minion]

Originally Posted by JWFORD

You all need therapy! Apparently, everyone else is allowed to have an opinion except for me. Good night.

Every time you post you’re causing fights. Maybe the issue isn’t with us but with how you communicate.

[dressedtokill]

Summertime doesn't belong? Never heard of it? Not good enough? Get out with all this nonsense. While Summertime may not be David Lean's best film, it's terrific and quite underrated.
Summertime is an interestering film in a lot of ways as it reflects and is a precursor to Lean's skills for incorporating location as a character and as development to the central drama of the protagonist, an element that is evident in his following work. Katherine is her usual splendid self and manages to convey so much emotion and longing that goes hand in hand with her terrific chemistry with Rossano Brazzi. Also, Lean's penchant for color is rendered with such beauty and tenderness with the Venetian backdrop. While the similar Brief Encounter is the better film, Summertime is worthy companion piece and manages to leave its mark.
I'm sure the film doesn't deserve an upgrade though since it isn't top 5 Lean material though.

[Benoit Blanc]

Originally Posted by JWFORD

You all need therapy! Apparently, everyone else is allowed to have an opinion except for me. Good night.

Says the guy who said this,

Originally Posted by JWFORD

Dead Presidents better than Devil in a Blue Dress? Now you're just talking nonsense.

[Dubstar]

Originally Posted by dressedtokill

Summertime doesn't belong? Never heard of it? Not good enough? Get out with all this nonsense. While Summertime may not be David Lean's best film, it's terrific and quite underrated.
Summertime is an interestering film in a lot of ways as it reflects and is a precursor to Lean's skills for incorporating location as a character and as development to the central drama of the protagonist, an element that is evident in his following work. Katherine is her usual splendid self and manages to convey so much emotion and longing that goes hand in hand with her terrific chemistry with Rossano Brazzi. Also, Lean's penchant for color is rendered with such beauty and tenderness with the Venetian backdrop. While the similar Brief Encounter is the better film, Summertime is worthy companion piece and manages to leave its mark.
I'm sure the film doesn't deserve an upgrade though.

oh come on, as far as I know this is it's Blu-ray debut, of course a rescan/transfer should happen, the hidef version has/is up on the Criterion Channel; the colors should look great as such!

[Cremildo]

Summertime is a classic romance from a major filmmaker, and a visually beautiful film. Of course, it deserves to be in the collection (it already is, as pointed out) and on HD.

[dressedtokill]

Originally Posted by Dubstar

oh come on, as far as I know this is it's Blu-ray debut, of course a rescan/transfer should happen, the hidef version has/is up on the Criterion Channel; the colors should look great as such!

I know, I was being sarcastic. The member I was responding to implied that it didn't belong/shouldn't get an upgrade.

[RCRochester]

Originally Posted by JWFORD

Well, beside the fact that every other post in this thread is someone saying what they think should or should not be added to the collection (or upgraded to Blu-ray, in this case), regardless of whether or not they've seen it. Summertime is not even Top 5 David Lean and/or Top 10 Katharine Hepburn. Honestly, I hadn't even heard of it before now. And much like Vigojean finds it offensive that Devil in a Blue Dress would be added before those other films. I find it...strange that Summertime would be added before, say Adam's Rib, Little Women, Stage Door, or even Morning Glory. But that's just my opinion. And I may end up changing my mind after seeing it.

It's your opinion, but it's an ill-informed one. You can't really say it's Top 5 or Top 10 anything if you haven't actually seen it. And if you've never even heard of it, well, that kind of sullies your credentials seeing as it's actually one of David Lean's most famous films and pretty much laid the blueprint for every subsequent "single woman finds romance and in the process find herself while visiting a foreign land" type movies.

But that's okay, you continue to stomp your feet and display all kinds of ignorance while lashing out at anyone who challenges you. You're only embarrassing yourself.

[Matt89]

Isn't Summertime the movie where Katharine Hepburn contracted conjunctivitis from falling into the canal in Venice? I've actually never seen the film. Definitely heard of it, but it's one of Lean's films that's managed to elude so I'd more than welcome a Criterion blu-ray.

And who cares if it doesn't have the same status as other David Lean epics like Lawrence of Arabia or Doctor Zhivago? I've never understood the logic that a certain film can't be given a blu-ray release (from ANY label) until every other major film has already been given the same treatment. Labels are gonna release what they're gonna release, and there could be a number of other factors like licensing issues, so it's a pointless argument. Sure we all have our wish lists, but to say "I can't believe this film was given a release before X film" is rather asinine. It's not like this movie is keeping other films from being released lol.

~Matt

[darkonex]

Originally Posted by yoloswegmaster420

The same user also somwhow found listings for the July releases:

[Show spoiler]
The Virgin Suicides 4k

Hooray for this one! Couldn't care less about the rest.

[gbm82]

Originally Posted by Matt89

Isn't Summertime the movie where Katharine Hepburn contracted conjunctivitis from falling into the canal in Venice? I've actually never seen the film. Definitely heard of it, but it's one of Lean's films that's managed to elude so I'd more than welcome a Criterion blu-ray.

And who cares if it doesn't have the same status as other David Lean epics like Lawrence of Arabia or Doctor Zhivago? I've never understood the logic that a certain film can't be given a blu-ray release (from ANY label) until every other major film has already been given the same treatment. Labels are gonna release what they're gonna release, and there could be a number of other factors like licensing issues, so it's a pointless argument. Sure we all have our wish lists, but to say "I can't believe this film was given a release before X film" is rather asinine. It's not like this movie is keeping other films from being released lol.

~Matt

Criterion actually has a set number of films they're going to release before they retire....

[TheHighRoller]

Originally Posted by analmonger

Another month another batch of announcements without a 4k boxset of the complete El Santo filmography including the two sex versions and long lost footage from the golden age of lucha libre

Does the collection even have any Mexican stuff? Like besides 90s directors.


I'm still praying for Roma 4K.

[TheHighRoller]

Originally Posted by JWFORD

I also tend to agree about The Virgin Suicides, seeing as how the Blu-ray was just released four years ago. But Coppola only has two great films to choose from, and I'm assuming they can't get the rights to Lost in Translation.

Sis, you can choke.