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Old 10-08-2011, 01:41 AM   #37141
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So, one of the preordered items that arrived at my door on Tuesday (along with Harakiri, plus Miramax's Pulp Fiction and Jackie Brown for a terrific lineup) was Salo, or the 120 Days of Sodom, the 1976 film by Pier Paolo Pasolini whose reputation precedes it. I decided to watch it in its entirety the same day (my first time ever seeing the film at all).

Knowing well ahead of time that it's pervasively explicit and graphic in its details (in imagery and language), helped a bit, though I still cringed a bit, especially at the violence. Personally, I think the graphic images are more unsettling in Salo than in most other films because it is portrayed more more realistically than in, say, your typical action flick or horror film. The lack of a musical soundtrack goes a long way toward maintaining that realism. (There's virtually no score through most of the film except a piano that is actually played in the story itself.) All the carnage of 300 doesn't compare with what happens in Salo.

In any case, the graphic content is put to very good use as the film uses them to make its main points (especially the corrupting, dehumanizing effects of power) extraordinarily well. It's not graphic just for the sake of being graphic (a lot of more mainstream pictures should take a lesson from it).

One trait of the film that struck me was its outward formalism and structure. First of all the film is organized into distinct sections, like the acts of a play on stage and its style is quite theatrical (in a classical way) in terms of how characters, objects, props, etc., are arranged within the set. Further with regard to its formalism, so much of the visuals are composed in a classical way, like old realist paintings and classical architecture would be. Many shots, especially wide shots, are strongly symmetrical. For me, this formalism and the setting of the action with its almost stately (though run down) architecture help make the events that occur within that setting even more horrific. And within that context, the story is driven by a strict formal procedure the characters in the story have established and follow. All of that helps render the bizarre torture the film portrays as formal, official and routine. Therein lies one of the most unsettling aspects of the film: that these characters have been corrupted to the point that subjecting unwilling people to such activities is, to the tormentors, merely routine -- i.e., normal and everyday.

Anyway, it's a remarkable film and I recommend it to anyone who can tolerate its explicitness.

I'd like to find out what other Pasolini films Criterion currently has (I'll check the studio's website). Who here has other Pasolini films (and other work) to recommend?

On a further note, I see Salo, judging from its very low spine number, has been in the Criterion Collection for a very long time. I like how Criterion doesn't shy away from releasing films that are controversial, profoundly unsettling, obscure or otherwise harder to sell and still provides those titles top-tier presentation quality.

Makes me want to watch (or rewatch) more of the "political" (or at least controversial) films in my library from Criterion: The Battle of Algiers. Carlos. The Times of Harvey Milk. Che. Hunger. In the Realm of the Senses. Fat Girl. Kes. If....

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Old 10-08-2011, 03:24 AM   #37142
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BluPix, the only other Pasolini I've seen besides 'Salo' is 'Teorema' (which, of course, isn't in the collection), which seems to be a highly regarded one, although I don't know if I love it myself.

To answer your question on the last page, I'd like any one that I don't already have in my collection! One title I've particularly wanted for quite some time is 'Paris, Texas'. I very nearly picked it up at the summer B&N sale, and definitely don't want to miss out on it next month's sale. Looking at the ones you listed wanting yourself (in the post after your response to mine) I'd particularly recommend House and A Christmas Tale.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:17 AM   #37143
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That said, I do plan to eventually acquire the BFI in addition to my Criterion copy because, since I quite appreciate the film, I want to have as many different supplements about it as possible and the BFI release appears to contain several significant extras not found on Criterion's treatment (which has a fine set of extras, too, just different ones).
The BFI release also has a brief scene following the "wedding" sequence that is missing from the Criterion.

Salo is certainly an intense film. Another film I saw recently that came close to that kind of experience was The Baby of Macon.
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Old 10-08-2011, 06:39 AM   #37144
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A little off topic here but I've heard some people mentioning a far fetched/potential 6 hour cut of "The Tree of Life"..... I just watched it yesterday and while I think the version released by Fox is amazing, I don't know if I could have watched it for 6 hours. I think the length as it stands is perfect. Are there people really clamoring for a 6 hour cut? And why?
In an interview, the cinematographer, Emmanuel Lubezki, mentioned that he and Malick had been discussing a longer, 6 hour, version of Tree of Life that would put back a lot of story that was removed.
Sean Penn has also mentioned that a lot or even most of his scenes never made it to the final cut.
As for The Thin Red Line, I've only ever heard fan-boy rumours of a six-hour cut. I suspect people are probably talking about a six-hour assembly during post-production.
Malick obviously had input into the Criterion version, so as far as I'm concerned, that's the only version.
I agree that 138mins is perfect for Tree of Life, however I wouldn't be unhappy with a slightly longer version. Six hours is far too long, though.
The New World went from being 135mins to 170mins. I think I prefer the longer version, but I've also kept my old DVD, which is the theatrical cut.
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Old 10-08-2011, 08:05 AM   #37145
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I'd like to find out what other Pasolini films Criterion currently has (I'll check the studio's website). Who here has other Pasolini films (and other work) to recommend?
Salo is a fantastic work of art and personally my second favorite film behind Bergman's "Scenes From A Marriage". I'm a huge Pasolini fan so it's easy for me to recommend his entire filmography. As far as Criterion specific Pasolini they released his film "Mamma Roma" and Bernardo Bertolucci's film "La Commare Secca" which is based on a story written by Pasolini and both are great. I would also highly recommend "The Gospel According To Matthew", "Accatone", and "The Hawks and The Sparrows". Hawks and The Sparrows is particularly an enjoyable lighthearted film that pretty much anyone can enjoy. Hope that helps.
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Old 10-08-2011, 09:59 AM   #37146
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The only movie in the Criterion collection that struck me as hard as Salo for its engaged (or enraged) content is Z, which I'm quite sad not to have seen in HD.
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Old 10-08-2011, 03:19 PM   #37147
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I'd like to find out what other Pasolini films Criterion currently has (I'll check the studio's website). Who here has other Pasolini films (and other work) to recommend?
I like to think of myself as a pretty big Pasolini fan, but unfortunately you're only going to find Salò as the only title released by Criterion on blu-ray at the moment. You can pick up Mamma Roma on DVD, though. It's been rumored for a while that Criterion will release Pasolini's 'Trilogy of Life' films, but who knows when that's gonna ever happen. In the meantime, and if you have a region-free player, you can pick up those three films on blu-ray from the BFI. Medea is going to be given a Region A release in December from entertainmentone, but we'll have to wait to see about their quality. Masters Of Cinema, from the UK, also just announced that they're releasing Accattone and The Gospel According To Matthew on blu-ray March 2012. They'll more than likely be Region B, though, so you'll need a region-free player.

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Old 10-08-2011, 06:04 PM   #37148
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Old 10-08-2011, 07:52 PM   #37149
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As far as I can recall, Ramirez only goes "the full-Keitel" in Part 1. (Should I have put a plot spoiler tag around that? )
All jokes aside, the full nudity works really well thematically.
I've now sold my UK edition, so I'm looking forward to picking up the Criterion edition in the November sale.
considering the films do really center around his ego (more crudely,
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brilliant euphemism
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What is everyone's guesses for next week?
Probable
Wild Strawberries
Belle du Jour

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Y Tu Mama Tambien

Wild Ass Guesses
Drunken Angel
Anatomy of a Murder (does CC have any Columbia/Sony titles?)
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Old 10-08-2011, 08:07 PM   #37151
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World on a Wire.
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What is everyone's guesses for next week?
Gojira may be spine #600 as everyone has been wishing and then there is Wild Strawberries which didn't make it in time for the end of the year. I kinda lost hope on Y Tu Mama Tambien by this point, Cuaron probably hasn't the time yet because of his latest film. I wish we receive some major upgrade next month, you know? To start the year with a bang. Something along the lines of The Cranes are Flying, Le Samourai or Andrei Rublev. I also expect at least one pleasant surprise in the way of an unexpected and lesser release. Belle de Jour seems like the only thing confirmed this far.
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Why has Amazon recalled The Phantom Carriage? I guess it is not a safe title to buy anywhere for now? Damn just when this was going to be my first Criterion in my collection.
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World on a Wire.
I hope.
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or a Fassbinder set with all of his films (similar to AK 100, but much more interesting with less samurai).
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Why has Amazon recalled The Phantom Carriage? I guess it is not a safe title to buy anywhere for now? Damn just when this was going to be my first Criterion in my collection.
I wouldn't worry about it. Amazon routinely pulls things that get 'abnormal' numbers of returns. If there was a specific problem with the release itself we probably would have heard about it already.
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Old 10-08-2011, 09:32 PM   #37157
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or a Fassbinder set with all of his films (similar to AK 100, but much more interesting with less samurai).
One can only hope for something like that, although I can see a problem in your logic.

1- Ingmar Bergman would receive such a honor from Criterion a lot sooner then Fassbinder .
2- Kurosawa was and remains interesting to this day !!!
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Old 10-08-2011, 09:38 PM   #37158
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or a Fassbinder set with all of his films (similar to AK 100, but much more interesting with less samurai).
that would be cool, but very hard to do with the rights being everywhere in the U.S. at the moment. I can live with World on a Wire as of right now. It will sell well with non-Fassbinder fans being sold as a Sci-fi film, so it could help get more in the future.

I'm not fond of the shoebox thing anyways (but of course I would prob change my tune if it was for someone I like).
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What is everyone's guesses for next week?
Il momento della verità
Belle de Jour
Gojira
Le Samouraï (one of these days I will be right.)
Drunken Angel
Stray Dog
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Le Samouraï (one of these days I will be right.)
Let's hope that day comes sooner than later !
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