The Criterion Collection

[Banned User]

Originally Posted by italy12

What does "not being compatible" mean? People On Sunday didn't have any such problems, right?

Basically some early silent film frame rates below 24 frames cannot properly be displayed in progressive scan without it looking too fast in motion or having to insert many duplicate frames in order to sync up properly with the refresh rate.

[dan21]

Originally Posted by Banned User

Basically some early silent film frame rates below 24 frames cannot properly be displayed in progressive scan without it looking too fast in motion or having to insert many duplicate frames in order to sync up properly with the refresh rate.

I'm considering picking it up, how do I check if my equipment is compatible?

[Yami]

Originally Posted by dan21

I'm considering picking it up, how do I check if my equipment is compatible?

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Blu-Ray doesn't support 1080p for frame-rates lower than 24 fps (as far as I know) so they have to be transferred in 1080i or duplicate frames can be inserted to make it 24fps but then the film will be longer than intended and even this requires the framerate to be a suitable integer. The Phantom Carriage will be in 1080i regardless of your equipment.

[ShellOilJunior]

I'm really curious what percentage of Criterions sold are blu-ray.

This is only taking into account titles where blu/dvd is available.

[Monty70]

Originally Posted by Yami

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Blu-Ray doesn't support 1080p for frame-rates lower than 24 fps (as far as I know) so they have to be transferred in 1080i or duplicate frames can be inserted to make it 24fps but then the film will be longer than intended and even this requires the framerate to be a suitable integer. The Phantom Carriage will be in 1080i regardless of your equipment.

I would bet the vast majority of people would not be able to tell that TPC is presented in 1080i if the booklet had not stated so. (the video looks that good, regardless of being interlaced)

I am getting really excited about the 25th, Island of Lost Souls is going to be epic. (and 1080p ) Surprised no reviews are up yet.

[Monty70]

Originally Posted by Banned User

Basically some early silent film frame rates below 24 frames cannot properly be displayed in progressive scan without it looking too fast in motion or having to insert many duplicate frames in order to sync up properly with the refresh rate.

I believe this is because silents were filmed at @18fps. Correct?

[CaptYamato]

Is it true that the Harakiri blu is cropped? Someone is saying this on another forum and I haven't heard anything like that anywhere else.

[balboasanti]

Originally Posted by italy12

What does "not being compatible" mean? People On Sunday didn't have any such problems, right?

I believe People On Sunday is also 1080i.

[italy12]

Originally Posted by balboasanti

I believe People On Sunday is also 1080i.

Yea, that was what I was saying...I didn't hear an outcry of "the 1080i image is not supported!!" and all of that when it was released. I don't think the Amazon issue has anything to do with the image...may have been something else...

[G:Box]

Originally Posted by Blu Titan

Just watched Criterion's excellent release of Harakiri. Now I am hoping for announcements of The Hidden Fortress and Samurai Rebellion .

+1

[Yami]

Originally Posted by CaptYamato

Is it true that the Harakiri blu is cropped? Someone is saying this on another forum and I haven't heard anything like that anywhere else.

Yes, it is. I'd say the MoC release is the way to go if you're region free

[melo4mvp]

Originally Posted by Darkcritic

I personally don't own it but The Wages of Fear is said to go great along Diabolique. Both films were directed by Henri-Georges Clouzot and both have suspense as their trademark.

Thanks. I will check this one out.

[HuggyBear73]

Originally Posted by Yami

I'm not entirely sure what you mean. Blu-Ray doesn't support 1080p for frame-rates lower than 24 fps (as far as I know) so they have to be transferred in 1080i or duplicate frames can be inserted to make it 24fps but then the film will be longer than intended and even this requires the framerate to be a suitable integer. The Phantom Carriage will be in 1080i regardless of your equipment.

Interesting. So do you think this is why TPC was recalled then by Amazon? People thought that 1080i was a defect, but isn't? Again, I got my copy from Amazon, but haven't opened it up yet. Some suggested many received defective copies due to UPS shipping. If that was the case, why pull their initial stock? Just ship in cardboard mailers then. How many of you guys here purchased your copy of TPC from Amazon without any problems?

[CaptYamato]

Originally Posted by Yami

Yes, it is. I'd say the MoC release is the way to go if you're region free

Meh. The extras still make me want the Criterion blu.

[fdm]

Originally Posted by HuggyBear73

Like you said, United Parcel Smashers. I may have to borrow that one.

I did.

[fdm]

Originally Posted by HuggyBear73

Here's the thing: If UPS is causing the damage with these PHANTOM OF THE CARRIAGE blus, why would Amazon pull their initial stock? Just ship them in carboard mailers instead.

Rarely do they change their packaging when reshipping. They don't think that far ahead. They still ship cardboard items in bubble bags, they really don't care all that much.

[obscurelabel]

Originally Posted by Monty70

I believe this is because silents were filmed at @18fps. Correct?

Silent films were shot at a wide variety of frame rates, mostly between 16 and 24 fps. There wasn't a fixed standard. Projectors in those days had a rheostat speed control, which meant that the film could be projected at whatever speed the exhibitor wanted. Films were usually shipped to theaters with an info sheet stating the correct frame rate, but the exhibitors often cheated by increasing it just a bit -- the faster the speed, the less time it took to show the film, and the theater might be able to squeeze in an extra showing during the day (remember many films were less than 60 minutes in the silent days) to get more ticket sales. Filmmakers knew this and gradually sped up their filming rate to try to compensate, which led to "frame rate inflation" -- by 1927, the average rate had jumped from the 16-18 fps used in the 1910s to about 23-25 fps. When the frame rate had to be locked down because of sound, theaters were surveyed to find out what rates they were using, and about 24 was the mean.

To get a rate of say 20 fps (probably the correct rate for PoS, that was what was used for Pandora's Box from around the same time) into a 24 or 30 fps HDTV environment, there are basically three choices: duplicate some frames (like the 3:2 pulldown in NTSC), use interlacing to interpolate the frames, or some combination of both. If interlacing is done well, it can look fine -- basically undetectable in motion. It has a bad rep because if it's done poorly one can see "ghosting" and other detrimental visual artifacts.

[Hawkguy]

So, I think I understand most of this...TPC cannot be 1080p because of the frame rate..makes sense to me. But, why would this be a reason for returns? As in, if the viewers see that in the booklet the presentation is 1080i, why would they believe it to be a mistake?

[Banned User]

For people who don't understand what 3:2 pulldown is you probably don't know to check your TV and see if it does refresh rates in multiples of 24hz for Bluray's. Switching to 48hz ,72 hz etc provides a extremely smooth Bluray experience for the majority of content since it eliminates the extra frames thrown in during the 3:2 pull down.

I'm sure this a pretty much known by most people here, but it just appeared a few of you have no idea about this.
I know once I figured it out it was like night and day to me.

[Rodyon Raskolnikov]

So, anybody pre-ordered Kuroneko? I was going to get it from Planet Axel because they ship early, but they boosted their shipping fee.