The Criterion Collection

[jcs913]

Originally Posted by italy12

When Carlos was first mentioned as coming over to the CC, it stated that both versions would be included. However, when it was official announced in June, for release in September, there was only a listing for the complete version.

Once the BD was actually released, it was confirmed to only have the full-length version.

Thanks for confirming it Italy, I assume you have the disc, right? So then the 3 part on Netflix is officially the same as the CC disc, which saves me some money.

[italy12]

Originally Posted by jcs913

Thanks for confirming it Italy, I assume you have the disc, right? So then the 3 part on Netflix is officially the same as the CC disc, which saves me some money.

Yes, I own it, but have not viewed it yet. I cannot comment on the Netflix version, only that the CC is the longer version...

I'm pretty stoked about watching it, however. The longer I wait, the more the anticipation builds.

[tenia]

Carlos is only the 3 episodes cut.

As criterionforum.org explains :

"Criterion presents the entire 339-minute miniseries version of Olivier Assayas’ Carlos in the aspect ratio of about 2.35:1 over two dual-layer Blu-ray discs. The transfer is presented in 1080p/24hz. Episodes 1 and 2 are presented on disc 1 while episode 3 appears on the second disc."

No movie cut here.

It is however on the UK release, which has much less extra features, but proposes both cut, in a 3 BDs set.

[jcs913]

Originally Posted by italy12

Yes, I own it, but have not viewed it yet. I cannot comment on the Netflix version, only that the CC is the longer version...

I'm pretty stoked about watching it, however. The longer I wait, the more the anticipation builds.

The Netflix one is the same 3 part series and has the same runtime on each episode as dvdbeaver states. They also do not state that the short version is on the disc either. BTW, 3 colors White review and a fav, Blue Velvet reviews just hit their site. Blue Velvet looks very nice and the audio should be fantastic. Too bad Criterion didn't make amends with Lynch and release it, but the price will be much nicer from MGM.

[rkish]

Originally Posted by Arkadin

ok now that is what I was wondering.
my problem is I can't figure out how to access the subs menu using my Panny remote.
I've looked in the manual and I don't see it.
very frustrating.

There is NO subtitle option on the Panasonic remote...you have to go to "display" to enable or disable the subtitle/CC function. I can explain in more detail when I get home later, if you're still having a problem with finding it.

[retablo]

Love this line from DVD Beaver's review of Rules of the Game:

"On many films - especially very old ones - you cannot improve sharpness beyond the production levels established at the inset. BUT the beauty of rendering vintage cinema to 1080P is in the appreciation of the grain. "

Thank that, grain haters. lol. See, you're supposed to appreciate it!

[Barrysupreme]

Recieved today and I am so excited to watch it....

[Show spoiler]

[georgec]

That's pretty early - enjoy the set and let us know how it is (amazing, of course).

[kndy]

Originally Posted by Barrysupreme

Recieved today and I am so excited to watch it....

Fantastic!

Originally Posted by jcs913

I think the best supplement on the Vigo set is the interview with Truffaut and Rohmer. Their assessment really spells out how Vigo's vision influenced their films and others of their time period. L'Atalante is a great film, very poetic and full of thoughtless substance, but I think Joe also said this too, Zéro de conduite is my favorite. Frankly, you see a lot of its influence in the 400 Blows. It's the gem of the disc....

When I watched the interview portion, I felt that Truffaut was becoming annoyed with Rohmer's questions. But that's probably just me.

[EddieLarkin]

Originally Posted by Barrysupreme

Recieved today and I am so excited to watch it....

[Show spoiler]

Would love to know how they've managed to fit 500 minutes worth of film (tv version and theatrical version combined) and all the extras from the DVD set which totalled 2 hours on to 3 discs. Have they divided up the extras and spread them across the 3 discs, sharing space with the two versions of the film, or have the scrapped the theatrical version altogether?

Edit: Looking closer, the back of the case says that the whole of the tv version is on a single disc. How have they managed to get 5 hours 12 minutes in 1080p under 50GB? According to dvdbeaver, Seven Samurai took up 48.9GB at 25.49Mbps and is 105 minutes shorter

[retablo]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Would love to know how they've managed to fit 500 minutes worth of film (tv version and theatrical version combined) and all the extras from the DVD set which totalled 2 hours on to 3 discs. Have they divided up the extras and spread them across the 3 discs, sharing space with the two versions of the film, or have the scrapped the theatrical version altogether?

Edit: Looking closer, the back of the case says that the whole of the tv version is on a single disc. How have they managed to get 5 hours 12 minutes in 1080p under 50GB? According to dvdbeaver, Seven Samurai took up 48.9GB at 25.49Mbps and is 105 minutes shorter

Most likely they split the 5 hour version onto 2 discs, with part 1 being longer, then put the extras on the 2nd disc of the extended cut. Then disc 3 is the US theatrical.

[EddieLarkin]

Which is what I thought at first but as stated in my edit, they've squeezed the full tv version onto disc 1.

[jacobsever]

I don't understand some people. What is the explanation for this?

[Hawkguy]

Originally Posted by jacobsever

I don't understand some people. What is the explanation for this?

[Show spoiler]

Oh yeah, and there was another auction for it that ended at $35! I've always been baffled at the prices people go up to on ebay. Just a few months back, I sold a DVD on there for $20, and at the same time, amazon had it for $7.99.

[Pyoko]

Originally Posted by jacobsever

I don't understand some people. What is the explanation for this?

Typical eBay syndrome. I've never been able to comprehend it fully either since it's so monumentally stupid, but my theories are:

a) The auction equivalent of road rage. They'll be damned if they're going to let someone cut them off without retaliation, no matter the cost.
b) They're actually willing to spend more money on an inferior product for an easy feedback point.
c) Some people seem to never venture outside of eBay and might not be aware of better deals elsewhere, though this seems particularly far-fetched for someone looking for Island of Lost Souls on Blu-ray from Criterion.

[jcs913]

Originally Posted by jacobsever

I don't understand some people. What is the explanation for this?

I think a lot of it has to do with paypal. If you are a seller on ebay, you probably have money in your paypal account. Since Amazon does not take paypal and you have to use a credit card, which many do not have, paypal is easier to just transfer. Also, I think when people have a paypal balance, they believe they are actually not spending real money. They never see it on their credit card bill or bank statement, since the money came from selling an item they already had money invested in.

[jcs913]

Originally Posted by kndy

Fantastic!



When I watched the interview portion, I felt that Truffaut was becoming annoyed with Rohmer's questions. But that's probably just me.

kndy has reappeared in the Criterion thread.
I know what you mean about Truffaut, but I think it is because the questions become redundant toward the end.

[Pyoko]

Originally Posted by EddieLarkin

Edit: Looking closer, the back of the case says that the whole of the tv version is on a single disc. How have they managed to get 5 hours 12 minutes in 1080p under 50GB? According to dvdbeaver, Seven Samurai took up 48.9GB at 25.49Mbps and is 105 minutes shorter

Assuming they filled it to the brim with no additional fluff, they could theoretically have hit an average video bitrate of around 18Mbps, which might prove acceptable, if perhaps slightly anemic if it's particularly grainy.

Though I wonder if the TV version won't be from an inferior source, similar to the English versions of M and Senso. The Swedish Blu-ray (and remastered Tartan DVD) looks to be from a fairly recent HD transfer, but it's only the theatrical version, so I'm thinking they may not have as good a source for the TV cut.

[rkish]

Originally Posted by jcs913

kndy has reappeared in the Criterion thread.
I know what you mean about Truffaut, but I think it is because the questions become redundant toward the end.

Welcome back kndy!

Rather appropriate, as I got my Park Circus copies of "The Kid" and "City Lights" in the mail today. As John knows, I got tired of waiting for Criterion to release them. They will likely release " The Gold Rush" next anyway. Got them pretty quickly as well...3-4 days, which has to be a new record for me from the UK to upstate New York.

Very psyched...can't wait to dig into them this weekend!

[EddieLarkin]

Originally Posted by Pyoko

Assuming they filled it to the brim with no additional fluff, they could theoretically have hit an average video bitrate of around 18Mbps, which might prove acceptable, if perhaps slightly anemic if it's particularly grainy.

Though I wonder if the TV version won't be from an inferior source, similar to the English versions of M and Senso. The Swedish Blu-ray (and remastered Tartan DVD) looks to be from a fairly recent HD transfer, but it's only the theatrical version, so I'm thinking they may not have as good a source for the TV cut.

I really hope not, as much like Carlos, F&A was originally a TV series and then cut down for a theatrical release. The DVD version of the TV cut is described as a "new high-definition digital transfer" so hopefully they'll at the least just use that.