The Criterion Collection

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by drbikeshorts

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
Unless it's the wrong opinion.

they are then too, better to let the insane ramble than repress everyone else

[ROclockCK]

Originally Posted by Joe Dalek

Anything is possible. The only stuff I truly consider "safe" are the Kurosawa and Bergman titles.

BTW, are there any other not-yet-OOP Criterion titles owned by Studio Canal? I would consider their continuing availability in the collection to be questionable.

[WhoIsTylerDurden]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

BTW, are there any other not-yet-OOP Criterion titles owned by Studio Canal? I would consider their continuing availability in the collection to be questionable.

I know that Breathless has a Studio Canal release. I'm pretty sure there are others but this is the only one I know for sure.

[greekak229]

Originally Posted by WhoIsTylerDurden

I know that Breathless has a Studio Canal release. I'm pretty sure there are others but this is the only one I know for sure.

Belle de Jour also has a Studio Canal release.

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by greekak229

Belle de Jour also has a Studio Canal release.

My Copy Of Belle de Jour Is Going Absolutely Nowhere

[greekak229]

Originally Posted by Narcissus

My Copy Of Belle de Jour Is Going Absolutely Nowhere

I just finished watching my Criterion BD of Belle de Jour and I have to wholeheartedly agree.

[drbikeshorts]

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

BTW, are there any other not-yet-OOP Criterion titles owned by Studio Canal? I would consider their continuing availability in the collection to be questionable.

There's a Studio Canal version of Last Year at Marienbad.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by drbikeshorts

Everyone is entitled to their own opinion...
Unless it's the wrong opinion.

That seems to be the motto of this forum in general, which is why there's so much crap to sift through in other threads. I was hoping to avoid it here.

Originally Posted by Narcissus

they are then too, better to let the insane ramble than repress everyone else

So anyone who disagrees with someone on this forum is insane. Gotcha.

Originally Posted by retablo

The larger problem comes way before Criterion. The fact that this movie was funded, then shot, then actually found a distributor is the real problem. I have an agent now, and have several films in the works, but I struggled for years trying to get my own stuff made, which - not to sound egotistical - is far better than this junk. The days of self-affecting, woe-is-me films went out in the 90s, thankfully, when everyone got tired of whiny grunge and Cobain whimped out and offed himself.

That's a nice attitude to have right there. Aren't you essentially pulling a woe is me card here by claiming that it's not fair that Tiny Furniture, which is "junk" compared to your stuff, got funded and released before your films? Who's to say that Dunham didn't bust her ass to make this film either? I would think that you would at least give her some credit for making a film that's getting noticed, whether you like the content or not. Also, as much as I disagree with the way Cobain ended his life, your "whimped out" (sic) comments seem rather callous.

Originally Posted by Joe Dalek

According to IMDB the film cost $50,000, and I imagine Dunham raised most of that from friends & family if not out of her own pocket (or her credit cards). Really no risk for a distributor to buy and release something that inexpensive with the buzz it had going for it. It's "only" grossed close to half a million and it's already way in the black. And now a Criterion DVD/Blu-ray...

Exactly. Most people seem to be hating this film without watching it, rather than simply saying that they have no interest in it, when it's made an impact on independent film making. The fact is, is that the film is successful, yet the people of this forum are acting like curmudgeonly old men.

Originally Posted by ROclockCK

If I were a betting man Joe, I would say the BBS Box Set is in danger because it includes Easy Rider (currently OOP and commanding $35 - $50), plus other titles of mainstream appeal, such as The Last Picture Show and Five Easy Pieces (not available in any other form on Blu-ray, and from Columbia who has been showing increasing disinterest in their catalogue titles, except via limited licensing). Often when a set includes OOPs/MIAs of wider mainstream appeal, there is a much higher cross-over interest in the Criterion edition - people buying Criterion who do not usually bother with the label. That non-CC interest *could* be quietly and steadily running down supplies of this set, until one day, suddenly it's "Currently Not Available".

Of course, I don't know what current stock is like on this set, but it is loaded with Blu-ray titles not available elsewhere, including one certified OOP. So in my experience, that translates into a title at risk of selling out, and possibly not being renegotiated for re-release.

I disagree. I think the only chance that BBS would go OOP is if they lose the licenses. This set was initially going to be released by Columbia/Sony, but they decided to let Criterion handle it instead. Also, if people were that desperate for Easy Rider, why not import?: http://www.amazon.co.uk/Easy-Rider-B...6969408&sr=8-2

Originally Posted by Joe Dalek

Anything is possible. The only stuff I truly consider "safe" are the Kurosawa and Bergman titles.

Wrong. Criterion lost a Kurosawa already: Ran. Also, anything can happen.

Originally Posted by Narcissus

i would add the 2 Kubrick Titles to that as well

As I said to Joe, anything is possible.

Originally Posted by vader4

Hey anyone with expertise on this movie please comment. I watched Black Moon the other day with an open mind but found that I really didn't understand it. I tend to like odd movies but I feel like I missed something on this one
If anybody has any thoughts on it please share...

I didn't enjoy the film, but from what I got out of it, Catherine Harrison is going through puberty, hence the war of the sexes, and is in limbo between childhood and womanhood. I could be off base there, but that's the basics of what I got out of it. I prefer Malle's other work.

Originally Posted by cineclectic

Tiny Furniture looks so absolutely terrible!

What makes something like this worthy of Criterion? It's like the Michael Bay deal all over again! Let's hope the money they are whoring for was for this film only but you know that the talentless whale is going to make more in the future! I mean, I know that Criterion is lacking in films by female directors but this is ridiculous!

I just joined this forum just to say how terrible this movie/director looks. Might post more. I like this thread a lot.

Classy. We can't just criticise a film, we also have to criticise the weight and appearance of a director, and call them a *****. I'd be making the same comments if it were a male director instead of Dunham, but still, that's just crude and insulting. She's not a whale, nor is she a *****.

[BohemianGraham]

Contined from the previous post...

Originally Posted by zeroman987

What is funny is that this film is seemingly supposed to appeal to someone in my situation (Mid-20s, just finished with professional school and trying to establish myself). I go from one crappy job to another to support myself while I am trying to get a stable job in my chosen profession.

Except this film does not appeal to me at all. In the trailers, she comes off as really whiny and insufferable. In almost every scene she has an incredibly sour face. She should thank her lucky stars that she has a parent who is willing to provide support to her while she is "chasing her dream." (I bet you $50 that she has never worked a manual labor job for sure) Except, she doesn't seem to have any consideration for her mother and sister who have no obligation to allow her to move into their home (a generous gift and an inconvenience to both of them).

All in all, there is nothing about this woman that would ever make me root for her. Then again, maybe that is the point. Instead of glorifying this lifestyle, she is actually calling attention to the selfishness of my generation. However, I just get the feeling that this type of film only perpetuates the stereotype that all of the people from my generation are lazy, entitled slobs who go through life more worried about "who they are" than taking care of business.

But what do I know? I only watched the trailer and read a synopsis.

From what I saw, and read about, it's an updated version of Reality Bites. I like Reality Bites, but at the same time, I hate the characters because they're all whiny, self-centred jerks. Your criticism of the film is rather refreshing in comparison to some of the others. I'm inclined to agree with you from what I also watched in the Three Reasons video, and read about online. I'm also in my mid-20s, and I'm very fortune to have a job I enjoy 95% of the time, after spending five years, and a ton of money to get my BA and MLIS. However, I'm also now more inclined to watch this film given the violent reactions to it from this forum, before I write it off totally.

Originally Posted by keldons

I think that same post was all the way down this page

"Originally Posted by everyone in this thread
wahhhhhhhhhhhh criterion is putting out a film I don't like I'm going to whine about it wahhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh"

also: I'm glad Joe Dalek pointed out some of the casual sexism going on here. Heres to you, my man

Bingo. This attitude has been trending for the past few months, but most of it seems to have come to a head since Friday's announcements. It's ok to not like the film, or have an interest in it, but the way people are acting in this thread, it's like the film has killed their mother and deficated on her corpse. I'm a bit disappointed in some of the comments on her that arren't jsut derogatory towards the film, but to the director herself. Criterion can't put out everything we want all the time, and I thought people liked Criterion because they allowed for people to discover films that might not get a lot of recognition. There's obviously enough of a market for the film to be released by them, and they feel it's important to put in the collection. If you don't like it, don't buy it or watch it.

Originally Posted by *DrStrangelove*

You pretty much hit it on the nail here. You would think you'd seen this cause you describe it perfectly. What a waste of a release from Criterion IMO.

For you maybe, but not for everyone. There are some people out there who want to see it. Why is it that anytime Criterion releases something people don't like, it's considered a waste of a release?

I think I'm done for the time being. Now I'm just going to lie in wait for the posts that will tell me I'm insane, wrong, and full of crap, and that I better watch it and stop being so negative or I'll be banned from the forum, as I'm clearly taking stuff too seriously, because I'm a hysterical fem-Nazi, just a Nazi in general, or some other thing.

[Show spoiler]The last comment was joking, but my comments towards the posters aren't.

[Melodious Thunk]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

Criterion can't put out everything we want all the time, and I thought people liked Criterion because they allowed for people to discover films that might not get a lot of recognition. There's obviously enough of a market for the film to be released by them, and they feel it's important to put in the collection. If you don't like it, don't buy it or watch it.

Exactly. If anything, I'm relieved that not every Criterion release is of interest to me, since I could never afford to buy them all.

I too am quite shocked by the hateful language used to describe the director of Tiny Furniture. I won't be buying it either, but somebody's appearance has absolutely no bearing on their talent as a filmmaker, and to use that in one's criticism of the film is sexist and spiteful.

[ShellOilJunior]

I'm curious if those that buy EVERY Criterion release are going to pay $27.99 for Tiny Furniture?

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by ShellOilJunior

I'm curious if those that buy EVERY Criterion release are going to pay $27.99 for Tiny Furniture?

Most of those people wait for the B&N sales, they don't always buy day one if it's a release they absolutely detest. Look at the comments concerning Hollis Frampton. A few of them are rethinking their goal as well.

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by greekak229

I just finished watching my Criterion BD of Belle de Jour and I have to wholeheartedly agree.

Man They Nailed This Transfer!

[Narcissus]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

So anyone who disagrees with someone on this forum is insane. Gotcha.

totally not what i meant and taken out of context.
the second you suppress one persons freedoms, then where does it stop and then who decides what is allowed?

Disagree and discuss? Hell Yeah!
blanket repression of what some think is wrong? hell no.

[drbikeshorts]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

That seems to be the motto of this forum in general, which is why there's so much crap to sift through in other threads. I was hoping to avoid it here.

Should I have used emoticons so that my sarcasm was clear?

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

Classy. We can't just criticise a film, we also have to criticise the weight and appearance of a director, and call them a *****. I'd be making the same comments if it were a male director instead of Dunham, but still, that's just crude and insulting. She's not a whale, nor is she a *****.

Yup, I didn't care for those comments either.

[ShellOilJunior]

I think a lot of folks don't like LD because her blog has dumped on classic films...

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by Narcissus

totally not what i meant and taken out of context.
the second you suppress one persons freedoms, then where does it stop and then who decides what is allowed?

Disagree and discuss? Hell Yeah!
blanket repression of what some think is wrong? hell no.

I'm not disagreeing with you there, as I'm a librarian and I'm against censorship. I guess I just expect more respect and professionalism from people when they debate stuff in this thread, as opposed to the other threads on this board. There's a difference in stating that you don't agree with someone's taste in films from calling that person an insane idiot because they don't agree with your taste in films. That's why the Harold and Maude thread ended up getting out of hand with the constant trolling posts from one user. People tend to get defensive, and where this is the internet, initial tone of the poster is hard to determine. A lot of people also think it's a free-for-all, and that they can say whatever they want to say. That was the point of my comment, and I feel I didn't take it out of context.

[TJS_Blu]

in recent Criterion > Studio Canal news, looks like Le Grand Illusion will be released in the UK on April 23rd.

yes, that's a directional arrow, not a 'Greater Than' sign

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by drbikeshorts

Should I have used emoticons so that my sarcasm was clear?



Yup, I didn't care for those comments either.

I was being snarky too. I got your sarcasm loud and clear, but when you read some of the other threads on this board, a lot of people adhere to that idea to the letter.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by ShellOilJunior

I think a lot of folks don't like LD because her blog has dumped on classic films...

Link? I'm curious as to which films she's dumping on. It's like my friend who hates Polanski because of the casting couch issue, or the issues going on in the Lars Von Trier thread. Disregard the artist totally because you don't agree with something. That's silly.