The Criterion Collection

[AgentOrange]

It's really not worth worrying about what "other people do".

If they want to go through all that effort it's their prerogative. Some people are constantly doing trades, which means constantly repackaging and doing bubble mailers anyway. So this is just another thing they would do. I would venture to guess that if people get the BBS Lost and Found cheaply enough, then they could sell off the parts they don't want to make the rest of it practically free. At the very least if it's cheap enough then who really cares about waiting for individual releases, just go ahead and get the set. That latter point is more my take. I doubt I would go through the trouble of splitting up the set, but if I can get it for $35 or whatever, then why bother waiting for individual releases?

I've been considering this set for awhile at a B&N sale. I'd probably have it if my local store actually stocked it. It has probably fallen by the wayside now though because there's just too much stuff I would like to get in July...

[rkish]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

That's slightly different. This is more akin to buying the Lord of the Rings Trilogy Extended Edition on Blu-ray, and only keeping The Two Towers, because you don't like the other two. Or buying Fanny and Alexander, and then selling off the TV version. Or buying The Leopard, and only keeping the inferior English cut disc. What's the point in buying the set?

I know BBS is a little different because most of the titles aren't out individually, but wouldn't you wait to see if they were going to come out individually at some point? Not many people are going to trade for a partial set. I wouldn't, and you probably wouldn't recoup much back by trying to sell off films from a partial set for the same price as an individually released Criterion, especially when you can get the set for 50 bucks during a B&N sale.

It's not that different...

The Twilight Zone shows used to be packaged in two show increments...then they went to seasons...then they went to an entire boxed collection. Who know...BFI might decide to eventually release all of the 33 Ozu films (likely around 17 "packages") as a complete set, once they have all been released.

[rkish]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Maybe they don't care that it's a collection?

It's just a mass produced package, on a cheap stamped optical disc. Not everyone has OCD about such frivolous things. If a person watches the entire set, only enjoys 2 of the 7 films and has no future utility out of the others. Then it makes sense to get rid of them. It's actually rational to do that where you can use it to trade or sell for $$$, it's irrational behavior to hang onto something you don't even like just for "collectors" purposes. Now for some people it's just too much trouble to bother selling/trading anyway. But for those that consistently do, I don't see why trading part of a set is any different.

I can't say I've really considered splitting up a set before. But I can see why people would, especially since this one is 7 films on 7 separate discs. The only question I have is why someone would only want the "bad" films out of the set in the first place.

Agreed...it's up to the individual to make the purchase for whatever reason they have (like some/all of the films) and to do with them, as they wish. Some do it just to "collect" them (like baseball cards).

How many people posting here collect ALL of the Criterion, BFI, and/or Eureka!/Masters of Cinema films, just so that they have ALL of the releases and not necessarily because they enjoy ALL of the films.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

It's really not worth worrying about what "other people do".

If they want to go through all that effort it's their prerogative. Some people are constantly doing trades, which means constantly repackaging and doing bubble mailers anyway. So this is just another thing they would do. I would venture to guess that if people get the BBS Last and Found cheaply enough, then they could sell of the parts they don't want to make the rest of it practically free. At the very least if it's cheap enough then who really cares about waiting for individual releases, just go ahead and get the set. That latter point is more my take. I doubt I would go through the trouble of splitting up the set, but if I can get it for $35 or whatever, then why bother waiting for individual releases?

I've been considering this set for awhile at a B&N sale. I'd probably have it if my local store actually stocked it. It has probably fallen by the wayside now though because there's just too much stuff I would like to get in July...

I guess I just find it odd because people are so concerned about price point and collection number on this site, and then turn around and claim others are ridiculous for pre-ordering a title, rather than waiting for it to drop. This appears to me to contradict that line of thinking. Also, it seems like you'd spend more time and money trading/reselling the film, than if you were to not buy it at all.

"I won't pay more than 15 bucks for this film, so I'll wait for it to drop, but I'll pay 35-50 for this film because it comes in a set, even though I only want the one film out of the set and can't wait for an individual release." How does that make sense? You're essentially paying 35 bucks for a film and 5 coasters, as it seems as though those who are splitting up the set aren't getting bites for it. That's the problem. It looks like no one wants to trade and/or buy the partial version of this set.

[ShellOilJunior]

Anyone think Criterion would send me a replacement film if I sent them the Drive He Said/A Safe Place disc?

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by ShellOilJunior

Anyone think Criterion would send me a replacement film if I sent them the Drive He Said/A Safe Place disc?

What are you expecting in return? Hearts and Minds? It technically should have been in the set, despite the earlier spine number, as it is a BBS production. Actually, it's the last worthwhile production by BBS/Raybert, because the rest are direct to video crapfests, including a Harlequinn romance film.

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

I guess I just find it odd because people are so concerned about price point and collection number on this site, and then turn around and claim others are ridiculous for pre-ordering a title, rather than waiting for it to drop. This appears to me to contradict that line of thinking. Also, it seems like you'd spend more time and money trading/reselling the film, than if you were to not buy it at all.

"I won't pay more than 15 bucks for this film, so I'll wait for it to drop, but I'll pay 35-50 for this film because it comes in a set, even though I only want the one film out of the set and can't wait for an individual release." How does that make sense? You're essentially paying 35 bucks for a film and 5 coasters, as it seems as though those who are splitting up the set aren't getting bites for it. That's the problem. It looks like no one wants to trade and/or buy the partial version of this set.

Well in my case I would be interested in AT LEAST 3 films, not 1. 35/3=$11.66. Plus most of the rest of them would be new to me. I always put value in watching something new just as much as watching something I already know I like, the payoff is actually much higher when I find a new discovery that I really love. It would be pretty boring to just buy strictly what I'm already familiar with, or even only what I've already watched on Netflix or TCM or whatever.

People can do whatever they want. There's no reason to get worked up over it. You seem to really go on about people who like to search for the "lowest cost" as we've already gone over this discussion probably in every single B&N sale thread, as well as the "why have 1000 blu-rays" thread.

I'm sure you're all over the slipcover people too, though I don't visit there. I admit I find some of those habits bizarre (especially the slipcovers). But why should something that doesn't impact me, bother me? Just move on and not get concerned with what people want to do with their time/money...

[JHas]

Originally Posted by ShellOilJunior

Anyone think Criterion would send me a replacement film if I sent them the Drive He Said/A Safe Place disc?

Yeah, I heard they will send you a copy of Tiny Furniture...

[Brad1963]

I wonder if Criterion has interest in releasing Jean-Pierre Melville's Le Silence de la mer. It seems like something they would want in their library. The film is an important piece of French film history in regards to Melville and to the French New Wave in general. I own the Eureka UK edition; but would like to have Criterion’s take on it.

[TJS_Blu]

Originally Posted by Brad1963

I own the Eureka UK edition; but would like to have Criterion’s take on it.

Why?? AFAIK, Criterion doesn't offer radically different 'takes' on film. A shift in color temperature or a very slight difference in framing is worth more than a completely new title to HD? Really?

[Antonmassacre1]

Originally Posted by Brad1963

I wonder if Criterion has interest in releasing Jean-Pierre Melville's Le Silence de la mer. It seems like something they would want in their library. The film is an important piece of French film history in regards to Melville and to the French New Wave in general. I own the Eureka UK edition; but would like to have Criterion’s take on it.

The MOC editions tend to be region locked when Criterion issues the same films. I just bought the MOC version and it's terrific.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by AgentOrange

Well in my case I would be interested in AT LEAST 3 films, not 1. 35/3=$11.33. Plus most of the rest of them would be new to me. I always put value in watching something new just as much as watching something I already know I like, the payoff is actually much higher when I find a new discovery that I really love. It would be pretty boring to just buy strictly what I'm already familiar with, or even only what I've already watched on Netflix or TCM or whatever.

People can do whatever they want. There's no reason to get worked up over it. You seem to really go on about people who like to search for the "lowest cost" as we've already gone over this discussion probably in every single B&N sale thread, as well as the "why have 1000 blu-rays" thread.

I'm sure you're all over the slipcover people too, though I don't visit there. I admit I find some of those habits bizarre (especially the slipcovers). But why should something that doesn't impact me, bother me? Just move on and not get concerned with what people want to do with their time/money...

For someone who claims that they don't care, you also seem to keep discussing these things too, and seem rather defensive about the whole thing, and keep telling me to move on. You don't have to respond to every post I make, or any other post people make on the subject. You also only seem to read/respond to my posts whenever I said something you don't agree with, regardless of the subject. I do believe you're stalking me around this board just to argue with me.

This might be of interest to some: http://life.time.com/culture/col-jim...e-from-wwii/#1

[AgentOrange]

Originally Posted by Antonmassacre1

The MOC editions tend to be region locked when Criterion issues the same films. I just bought the MOC version and it's terrific.

Is that region coding definitive?

I've noted when browsing Eureka and BFI especially, that many of them are region coded. But it might have to do more with the timing of when their contract was being written (i.e. that Criterion already had acquired the exclusive Region A rights, which pre-empted Eureka's ability to go ahead and do it as "region free" release even if they wanted to).

I wonder who drives that ship as far as region coding. Obviously the big studios do what they want and will dictate with their properties. But Criterion seems to UNIVERSALLY go Region A - and when they have the rights I have noticed that the european counterparts are region locked. So it seems like Criterion is pretty aggressive about protecting their territory, so to speak.

[Brad1963]

Originally Posted by Antonmassacre1

The MOC editions tend to be region locked when Criterion issues the same films. I just bought the MOC version and it's terrific.

It was licensed from Gaumont who releases most of their Blu ray titles in France All Region. I was wondering if the agreement they made was for it to be Region Free. Eureka tends to lock their titles. Le Silence de la mer seems like something collector’s in the U.S. would like to own. Yes, the Eureka version is good enough to stand on its own.

[Brad1963]

Originally Posted by TJS_Blu

Why?? AFAIK, Criterion doesn't offer radically different 'takes' on film. A shift in color temperature or a very slight difference in framing is worth more than a completely new title to HD? Really?

Just trying to have a cordial conversation and bring something to these posts other than trashing films and criticizing what others post.

[Antonmassacre1]

Originally Posted by Brad1963

It was licensed from Gaumont who releases most of their Blu ray titles in France All Region. I was wondering if the agreement they made was for it to be Region Free. Eureka tends to lock their titles. Le Silence de la mer seems like something collector’s in the U.S. would like to own. Yes, the Eureka version is good enough to stand on its own.

An employee of MOC often contributes to the MOC thread. He has commented that they only lock their releases if they are contractually required to do so. I think this came up initially during their Metropolis release.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by TJS_Blu

Why?? AFAIK, Criterion doesn't offer radically different 'takes' on film. A shift in color temperature or a very slight difference in framing is worth more than a completely new title to HD? Really?

Sometimes Criterion has different special features and extras. It doesn't always mean people will buy the Criterion edition if they own a MoC/Eureaka/BFI/Twilight Time/Studio version, but just to see what they have to offer by way of those items. I think that's what was mean by "different take," not colour temps, framing, or anything like that. Some may also choose to wait for the Criterion, based on extras, rather than PQ.

And finally, not everyone imports, or has the cash on hand to invest in a region free player.

[Antonmassacre1]

And finally, not everyone imports, or has the cash on hand to invest in a region free player.

Not sure if we're still talking about Melville's first film here but it is region free and was less than $20Cdn to purchase directly from MOC.

[DetroitSquirreL]

FYI ... Eureka / MoC ship FREE worldwide And you can get a region free player for under $80

[P@t_Mtl]

I think I just set a world record for the most patient customer in the history of online ordering

My Eclipse SIlent Naruse is here in my hands.

I place the order during the last B&N sale and yes I did receive an email from them that it would be delayed but they would send it to me as soon as it became available but three months

It's funny cause I order from Amazon.ca and I get it within 3-5 days.

I order from Amazon.com and Amazon.uk and I get it within 7-10 days.

I order from Hong Kong and I get it within 12-14 days.

I order from B&N and it's 30 days+

In any case I am use to it so I never really panic about it, I mostly find it funny now. Well just want to share it with you guys, I suppose I better go check the movies now after waiting so long.