The Criterion Collection

[SlickDamian]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

Perception is everything. This forum makes him seem far more mainstream and is full of fanboys. there's more hype about fincher than Boyle, thus less hate directed at Boyle. I think most people on this forum who dislike certain directors do it because it's cool to hate them outright.

I'm on the fence, some films by the overhyped directors are good, others not so much.

Fincher is a damn good director, one of the best working today, anywhere in the world. With the exception of Alien 3 and Panic Room, all of his films have been masterpieces IMO. And even Alien 3 can be appreciated when taken into context, and so can Panic Room if you consider it a less than serious campy exercise. Se7en, Fight Club, The Game, Zodiac, Benjamin Button, The Social Network, and Girl With the Dragon Tattoo? All simply fantastic, with great visual style and a talented use of dialogue.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by SlickDamian

Fincher is a damn good director, one of the best working today, anywhere in the world. With the exception of Alien 3 and Panic Room, all of his films have been masterpieces IMO. And even Alien 3 can be appreciated when taken into context, and so can Panic Room if you consider it a less than serious campy exercise. Se7en, Fight Club, The Game, Zodiac, Benjamin Button, The Social Network, and Girl With the Dragon Tattoo? All simply fantastic, with great visual style and a talented use of dialogue.

I wasn't just talking about Fincher in my post. it's all personal opinion when you get down to it. While fincher, Nolan, Anderson, etc. all have great films, not all of them will appeal to everyone. The problem is is that some people think another person who dislikes x-film/director is essentially defficating on the corpse of a Family member. Both fanboys and Antifanboys can ruin films for people.

[SlickDamian]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

I wasn't just talking about Fincher in my post. it's all personal opinion when you get down to it. While fincher, Nolan, Anderson, etc. all have great films, not all of them will appeal to everyone. The problem is is that some people think another person who dislikes x-film/director is essentially defficating on the corpse of a Family member. Both fanboys and Antifanboys can ruin films for people.

I agree completely! Fanboyism is an immature waste of time. If one of my favorite directors releases a bad film, then it's a bad film. If a director that I haven't particularly enjoyed releases a good film, then it's a good film. Period.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

Perception is everything. This forum makes him seem far more mainstream and is full of fanboys. there's more hype about fincher than Boyle, thus less hate directed at Boyle. I think most people on this forum who dislike certain directors do it because it's cool to hate them outright.

I'm on the fence, some films by the overhyped directors are good, others not so much.

I don't think hype should amount to anything during your experience. If were going to talk, let's talk about the films and the filmmaking itself:

Danny Boyles biggest misstep is he believes a movie is just a movie, manipulating his audience is key. When his films should get quiet and introspective, they get loud, garish and manipulative (which can be fun, but never enlightening)

Example 127 hours: though fairly good, Boyles aim is strictly to entertain and manipulate, instead of closing the space, Boyle wants to expand it (again entertaining but not enriching), even containing shots that zoom out to show the entire Canyon. He really has no bounds, showing more than necessary: knife inside of arm, urine filling a straw, a plethora of dream sequences, split screen....etc.

Again as an entertainer I like Boyle, but other than helping CC with their books I don't see his place in the collection.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

I wasn't just talking about Fincher in my post. it's all personal opinion when you get down to it. While fincher, Nolan, Anderson, etc. all have great films, not all of them will appeal to everyone. The problem is is that some people think another person who dislikes x-film/director is essentially defficating on the corpse of a Family member. Both fanboys and Antifanboys can ruin films for people.

I see what you mean (and even get worked up myself with all the Nolan love, my damn brother) but it still shouldn't factor into our opinion of said film.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

I don't think hype should amount to anything during your experience. If were going to talk, let's talk about the films and the filmmaking itself:

Danny Boyles biggest misstep is he believes a movie is just a movie, manipulating his audience is key. When his films should get quiet and introspective, they get loud, garish and manipulative (which can be fun, but never enlightening)

Example 127 hours: though fairly good, Boyles aim is strictly to entertain and manipulate, instead of closing the space, Boyle wants to expand it (again entertaining but not enriching), even containing shots that zoom out to show the entire Canyon. He really has no bounds, showing more than necessary: knife inside of arm, urine filling a straw, a plethora of dream sequences, split screen....etc.

Again as an entertainer I like Boyle, but other than helping CC with their books I don't see his place in the collection.

Oh goody! We're back to arguing what is and isn't criterion worthy! We have t had that argument in awhile. this is getting back to the whole fanboy/anti fanboy argument. it's all personal opinion. I think people take the criterion label far too seriously.

Also, what you dislike about Boyle, others may enjoy. People have different tastes and it seems like that's a bad thing on this forum.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

I see what you mean (and even get worked up myself with all the Nolan love, my damn brother) but it still shouldn't factor into our opinion of said film.

It can though. If people don't like a film, and the fanboy raved about it and belittles them, they can easily be turned off of all of that output altogether because people associate the behaviour of the fanboy with all fans. It's human nature.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by SlickDamian

I agree completely! Fanboyism is an immature waste of time. If one of my favorite directors releases a bad film, then it's a bad film. If a director that I haven't particularly enjoyed releases a good film, then it's a good film. Period.

I admit I have fan girl moments, but for the most part, I can recognise when something is bad. There are several bad Monkees episodes and songs, and yes I'm bringing it up before people tell me I'm a total fan girl about them. I just think people don't do enough research these days and are too dismissive of a lot of things because they have little exposure to it, or they just don't like something because others do.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

Oh goody! We're back to arguing what is and isn't criterion worthy! We have t had that argument in awhile. this is getting back to the whole fanboy/anti fanboy argument. it's all personal opinion. I think people take the criterion label far too seriously.

You have to when they are one of the few companies releasing Grade A titles time after time. Think about it, a Boyle film sharing the same space with:
Secret Sunshine
Seven Samurai
Shock Corridor
Smiles of a summer night
Solaris
Something Wild
Stagecoach
Still Walking
Sweet Smell of Success

Maybe it doesn't fit in. That's okay because Darkeeling isn't on the same level but I still like it somewhat.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

You have to when they are one of the few companies releasing Grade A titles time after time. Think about it, a Boyle film sharing the same space with:
Secret Sunshine
Seven Samurai
Shock Corridor
Smiles of a summer night
Solaris
Something Wild
Stagecoach
Still Walking
Sweet Smell of Success

Maybe it doesn't fit in. That's okay because Darkeeling isn't on the same level but I still like it somewhat.

There are several people on this forum who feel that something wild doesn't belong in the collection either, for example. Again, I don't see why people feel the need to put films on "levels" and be so concerned about stuff they dislike and how it's unworthy or something.

The "facebook fans" and the "true fans" really aren't all that different, despite the hate they have for each other.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

There are several people on this forum who feel that something wild doesn't belong in the collection either, for example. Again, I don't see why people feel the need to put films on "levels" and be so concerned about stuff they dislike and how it's unworthy or something.

Maybe I spoke too harsh, I mean there's a small space that should be devoted to releasing niche or cult films be it The Game or Shallow Grave. I just don't think it should be the standard or else we wouldn't get films like Lonesome, The Music Room, People on Sunday, les Visiteurs....Atleast CC isn't releasing Armaggeddon anytime soon.

[BohemianGraham]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

Maybe I spoke too harsh, I mean there's a small space that should be devoted to releasing niche or cult films be it The Game or Shallow Grave. I just don't think it should be the standard or else we wouldn't get films like Lonesome, The Music Room, People on Sunday, les Visiteurs....Atleast CC isn't releasing Armaggeddon anytime soon.

I don't like Armageddon, but if others do, I really don't see what the harm is in releasing it. I just won't buy it. I also don't see how releasing a title like the game or Armageddon would prevent the music room or lOnesome from being released. Perhaps there are issues in cleaning up the transfer, or copyright laws that prevent stuff from coming out when people want it. There could be any number of reasons why x comes out instead of y.

[BohemianGraham]

Change of subject, but what are some of the lesser talked about releases people enjoy? People tend to focus on stuff that's really well known, such as seven samurai or the game, yet there are a lot of titles people don't seem to talk about or overlook. Some of mine are:

Senso
Letter Never Sent
The Organiser
Three Outlaw Samurai

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

I don't like Armageddon, but if others do, I really don't see what the harm is in releasing it. I just won't buy it. I also don't see how releasing a title like the game or Armageddon would prevent the music room or lOnesome from being released. Perhaps there are issues in cleaning up the transfer, or copyright laws that prevent stuff from coming out when people want it. There could be any number of reasons why x comes out instead of y.

Just as an economic model, choosing the bankable titles over say POS

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

I absolutely love Armageddon and I would love to get a Criterion release because the current BD has no decent extras. I don;t see why you'd begrudge someone for liking it. I mean, I could come in here and say that Seven Samurai is a gigantic piece of dog crap (not my opinion) and that it should not be in the catalogue because of this. I won't, though, because people love it.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

Change of subject, but what are some of the lesser talked about releases people enjoy? People tend to focus on stuff that's really well known, such as seven samurai or the game, yet there are a lot of titles people don't seem to talk about or overlook. Some of mine are:

Senso
Letter Never Sent
The Organiser
Three Outlaw Samurai

3Women
People on Sunday
Blow Out
Crumb
Fish Tank
Close Up
The Last Metro
El Norte

[Brad1107]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

3Women
People on Sunday
Blow Out
Crumb
Fish Tank
Close Up
The Last Metro
El Norte

I don't own Crumb yet, but I saw it a few years ago and it absolutely blew me away. Such an odd and interesting family of characters. I laughed, I cried. Cliche, but true.

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by BohemianGraham

Change of subject, but what are some of the lesser talked about releases people enjoy? People tend to focus on stuff that's really well known, such as seven samurai or the game, yet there are a lot of titles people don't seem to talk about or overlook. Some of mine are:

Senso
Letter Never Sent
The Organiser
Three Outlaw Samurai

For me, it's Che and Carlos.

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by AreaUnderTheCurve

I absolutely love Armageddon and I would love to get a Criterion release because the current BD has no decent extras. .

Problem solved:

http://www.amazon.com/Armageddon-Cri...ddon+criterion

[AreaUnderTheCurve]

Originally Posted by Beta Man

Problem solved:

http://www.amazon.com/Armageddon-Cri...ddon+criterion

Yeah. I own the DVD release, but I would like it all in one HD package.