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Old 02-18-2013, 01:33 PM   #62401
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Funny that Sam Peckinpah came up in conversation, since I purchased this at a Movie Stop sale yesterday...



Straw Dogs is a oddity of the highest order that I have seen several times since I rented the VHS tape from a Blockbuster when I was in high school. Each time I see the film, I'm somewhat repulsed and I decide that I'll never watch it again. I always end up having the urge to revisit it, though, hence seeing it several more times through the course of my life.

Ultimately, I've settled on the notion that this is a great work of cinema that somehow beckons me back although it challenges me and disturbs me more than most films.

I think that I finally understood the offbeat brilliance of this 1971 original film after watching the absymal 2011 remake, because I realized at long last how Peckinpah made a movie that insidiously works its way into the psyche. (Apologies to the supporters of the 2011 remake, because I know that there are several, but that movie just failed on every level for me.)

Anyway, I've been seeing this particular MGM Straw Dogs Blu-ray on the sale shelf at Movie Stop for three months now, but have asked myself, "Do I really want to own this on Blu-ray?" Since my Blu-ray collection to date consists of movies that I have watched over and over again in different formats over the years, I decided to pull the trigger on this one since I know that I will return to it over and over, even if I do so on a less frequent basis than I return to a "fun" movie.

After watching Skyfall on Blu-ray earlier this week, I got to thinking about Straw Dogs and decided that I wanted to buy it on Blu-ray to watch again. Those of you who have seen both films will understand the connection.

Criterion only had the rights to Straw Dogs for a limited time, so I do not think that we'll see a Criterion Blu-ray release.
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Old 02-18-2013, 01:45 PM   #62402
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Here are my thoughts on the film:

[Show spoiler]Severine was sexually abused as a child, and as a result, has a hard time dealing with men. Look at her relationship with her husband. They never have sex and it seems very distant. By taking the job at the brothel, Severine is essentially able to overcome her anxieties by unleashing all of the sadomasochistic fantasies that she keeps having. Some of the clients are into kinky things and she's able to be a part of that.

All of the guilt, however, from her father keeps manifesting itself through her dreams. The first dream at the beginning she's tied up from the tree and humiliated. This is also seen at another part of the film in which Pierre and his friend throw mud at her and insult her. She has another dream midway through the film in which she is roleplaying a man's daughter who was raped by her father. The last dream that I recall her having is at the end. It was not until tragedy hit that she was able to see the beauty in Pierre and appreciate him. She wanted a normal life and ultimately it was impossible.


I posted more in-depth details here (in my review). I analyze the symbols that are present throughout the film:

[Show spoiler]The Beauty Of The Day
Many may argue that Belle de Jour ("Beauty Of The Day") is an ordinary drama about a woman who decides to spend her early afternoons working as a prostitute at a Paris brothel. However, there are many elements and symbols throughout this film that allude to it being a psychological thriller.

The beautiful and talented Catherine Deneuve stars as Séverine Serizy, a sexually frustrated housewife. The relationship between Séverine and her husband Pierre is very awkward. While the two love each other, they both come and go as they please, they sleep in separate beds, and they do not have sex with one another. It appears that Séverine has difficulties with sex due to a trauma experienced earlier in her life. As a result, she is trying to come to grips with herself. While in a taxi with her friend Renée one day, Séverine learns that their mutual friend, Henrietta, now works at a brothel. The idea of working in one of these places is planted in Séverine's mind and she decides to visit a nearby brothel for herself. After meeting with the owner, Madame Anaïs, Séverine decides to take up prostitution as a side job during the early afternoons. The results of this decision ultimately have both positive and negative effects on Séverine and her husband's relationship.

The most important part of this film, in my opinion, is the symbols that are present throughout it. There are four specific symbols that I would like to discuss. They are the daydreams and sexual fantasies, religion, animals, and the brothel.

The first symbol that I would like to discuss are the daydreams and sexual fantasies that Séverine has throughout the film. Séverine is often plagued by sadomasochistic fantasies, in which she is taken to an isolated location, tied up, and humiliated. Many believe that this is due to the sexual abuse that she had experienced as a child by her father. These fantasies, just like the abuse, have haunted her for a good portion of her life. More specifically, they are the reason that she cannot be sexually aroused with her husband, Pierre. The second symbol that I would like to discuss is religion. When an individual thinks of religion, they often think of it being holy, pure, and sacred. Before entering the brothel, Séverine has a daydream of a time in her life when she was receiving Holy Communion at church. When a person receives communion, it's symbolically the closest that a person can be with God because they are receiving the body and blood of Christ. By taking on this role of a prostitute, Séverine is essentially going against the doctrines of the church and going against what it means to be holy and pure. Another instance with religion occurs when Séverine has a daydream that she is in in the park and she is approached by an older man. The older man asks her if she is willing to go to his house with him so that she can help him with reenacting a religious ceremony. It turns out that Séverine is to play the role of the older man's daughter at her funeral. The older man pours out all of his guilt for sexually abusing his daughter when she was younger and he feels responsible for her life playing out the way that it did. This can be interpreted as Séverine's conscious playing out her own repressed memories. Séverine holds a lot of frustration for the abuse that she had experienced as a child. I feel that she has always been longing for an apology from her father (as the older man did with his daughter). Because of her father, her innocence and purity died at such an early age. She also took on this role of a prostitute to help her deal with some of her internal stressors. The third symbol that I would like to discuss is the animals. During one of Séverine's sexual fantasies, Pierre and his friend, Henri Husson are working in a field. They are tending to some livestock and also working with what appears to be mud. Pierre asks Henri if the animals have any names, to which he explains that they do. The scene shifts to Séverine who is tied up from a tree branch. Pierre and Henri begin to argue with her and they begin to degrade her. They throw the mud at her until she is almost black and they call her a variety of names, such as "harlot", "*****", "slut", etc. The irony in this is that they treated the livestock with a lot more respect than they treated Séverine. They humanized these animals by giving them names, but they degraded Séverine and treated her like an animal. Another instance involving animals is with the horse and carriage. For a large portion of the film, whenever the horse and carriage is present, the viewer is able to recognize that they are in one of Severine's daydreams and sexual fantasies. The fourth symbol that I would like to discuss is the brothel. By taking on the position of a prostitute at the Paris brothel, Séverine is able to escape from the pressures of her everyday life and become somebody else. As Séverine, she is a sexually frustrated housewife who is dealing with her own past issues. However, as "Belle de Jour", she is able to unleash all of her sexual fantasies with the clients that she comes across on a day-to-day basis. As a result of this job, Séverine is able to open up more with Pierre and they are finally able to have a somewhat healthy and normal relationship.

The irony of the entire film is that by taking on a degrading job, such as prostitution, Séverine is able to fix her relationship with her husband, Pierre, for the better. Many women who take on these roles have marital troubles because they often feel guilty for sleeping with numerous men or because their husband finds out what they have been doing. Since Pierre does not know what his wife is doing, he just assumes that she is getting better - and she is. Through prostitution, she is able to live life again. She makes friends, she interacts with clients on a day-to-day basis, and she is ultimately able to get to the root of her problems.

The Criterion Collection once again comes through with another great release. The video quality and the audio quality on Belle De Jour are top-notch. If you did not know better, you would think that this is a 1980s film and not a 1967 film. The film also has a decent amount of extras, thus making it a must own in any collection.

This was the first foreign film that I have ever watched and it will definitely not be the last. I was a little hesitant of watching it at first because I felt that the subtitles would have turned me off, made me confused, and not keep my interest. However, I was first wrong. As a result of watching this film, I have a new appreciation and outlook for this film style and I could not recommend it highly enough.

10/10
Very well analyzed and I think we agree on quite a few things here. I'm just not sure if
[Show spoiler]all of the brothel scenes happened for real.
I watched this on Hulu and this will most definitely be among my next Criterion order from Amazon. Can't wait to watch it again.
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Old 02-18-2013, 01:51 PM   #62403
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Oh man if only the New Years clue had something like a jar of Alfredo sauce in a duffel bag, or something like that! The ending to that film is a top 10 ending in all of cinema imho.
Awesome comment. Or maybe an alfredo dish for take out.
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Funny that Sam Peckinpah came up in conversation, since I purchased this at a Movie Stop sale yesterday...



Straw Dogs is a oddity of the highest order that I have seen several times since I rented the VHS tape from a Blockbuster when I was in high school. Each time I see the film, I'm somewhat repulsed and I decide that I'll never watch it again. I always end up having the urge to revisit it, though, hence seeing it several more times through the course of my life.

Ultimately, I've settled on the notion that this is a great work of cinema that somehow beckons me back although it challenges me and disturbs me more than most films.

I think that I finally understood the offbeat brilliance of this 1971 original film after watching the absymal 2011 remake, because I realized at long last how Peckinpah made a movie that insidiously works its way into the psyche. (Apologies to the supporters of the 2011 remake, because I know that there are several, but that movie just failed on every level for me.)

Anyway, I've been seeing this particular MGM Straw Dogs Blu-ray on the sale shelf at Movie Stop for three months now, but have asked myself, "Do I really want to own this on Blu-ray?" Since my Blu-ray collection to date consists of movies that I have watched over and over again in different formats over the years, I decided to pull the trigger on this one since I know that I will return to it over and over, even if I do so on a less frequent basis than I return to a "fun" movie.

After watching Skyfall on Blu-ray earlier this week, I got to thinking about Straw Dogs and decided that I wanted to buy it on Blu-ray to watch again. Those of you who have seen both films will understand the connection.

Criterion only had the rights to Straw Dogs for a limited time, so I do not think that we'll see a Criterion Blu-ray release.
Funny, I bought this on blu shortly after it was released, but it still sits in it's wrapping. I first turned this film on one of the movie channels years back and the scene that was playing was the
[Show spoiler]rape scene
and that was difficult to stomach, turned it off. Flash forward several years later when I was getting heavy into Peckinpah, I watched it in it's entirety on DVD, didn't do anything drastic like sware an oath to never watch it again, and I don't find the thought repulsive, but I still find it hard to go through the act of actually opening it up and watching it and going through the experience.

Regarding the remake, never saw it, but was well put off when I heard they moved the location to the south, felt like a copout and proof that we now live in an idiocracy. But then again, pretty much every movie trailer I see on TV nowadays makes me feel as if we are living in an idiocracy.
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Old 02-18-2013, 02:40 PM   #62405
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Sooo guys. I'm on a budget (kind of ironic since I've spent about $500 in blu-rays the last month)

If you were pick 6 out of this group for me to buy which would you pick?

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Anatomy of a Murder
The Killing
The 39 Steps

The Great Dictator
Rosemary's Baby
Paths to Glory
Broadcast News
A Night to Remember
Island of Lost Souls
Diabolique
Godzilla

I'm leaning towards: Anatomy, Killing, Dictator, Godzilla, Paths to Glory and Diabolique


Agree with iScottie. Same 6 I would pick.

Anatomy of a Murder
The Killing
The 39 Steps
Paths of Glory
A Night to Remember
Diabolique

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Old 02-18-2013, 02:49 PM   #62406
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I don't know if I've ever seen the 1954 Godzilla. I MAY have. I always liked Godzilla when I was a kid.
I have been a fan of Godzilla since I first saw the Hanna-Barbera cartoon version when I was a kid in the late 1970s.
"Up from the depths
Thirty stories high
Breathing fire
His head in the sky
Godzilla! Godzilla!"


The original Japanese 1954 version of Godzilla is a genuine cinematic treasure. I saw this film on the big screen when it was restored several years ago, and was taken aback at the serious tone. I mean, it's no Schindler's List or anything of the sort, but it's a much more reflective and insightful film than most give it credit for. Director Ishiro Honda worked with Akira Kurosawa as an assistant earlier in his career, and Godzilla stars quite a few big names.

The 1956 Americanized version, Godzilla, King of the Monsters, is largely responsible for the general perception of Godzilla as a cinematic icon, but even this film is important in a historical sense when evaluating the post-WWII Japanese tone compared to the place that the Americanized version holds with respect to the Cold War.

Godzilla is one of my favorite Criterion titles for so many reasons. The commentaries are thorough and informative, and the movie is given the respect that it deserves without sacrificing its fun aspects.

As far as special effects go, Godzilla was not groundbreaking even for its time. The original version of King Kong, which was created over two decades prior, is more convincing. Godzilla does make some rather amazing use of matte technology, though, and the Tokyo rampage scenes really work. Most importantly, though, the creators of the original version of Godzilla realized that the realism of a movie monster itself is not as crucial as the realism of the reaction of the characters to the monster. This is why the 1954 movie stands tall over the 1998 American interpretation.

I am looking forward to the upcoming 2014 version of Godzilla because advance word is that the film will attempt to duplicate the serious tone of the original. Elizabeth Olsen (Martha Marcy May Marlene) has a starring role.

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Very well analyzed and I think we agree on quite a few things here. I'm just not sure if
[Show spoiler]all of the brothel scenes happened for real.
I watched this on Hulu and this will most definitely be among my next Criterion order from Amazon. Can't wait to watch it again.
Thank you.

I truly did enjoy the film. It was also the first foreign film I watched so it holds a special place with me
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Old 02-18-2013, 05:26 PM   #62409
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A discussion on Fuller without any reference to his monumental "The Big Red One (1980)"?? This was a very fine entry in the pantheon of Second World War films and it had the singular advantage of the fact that Fuller was himself a decorated combat veteran who served in the 1st Infantry Division campagns in North Africa, Sicily, and elsewhere in Western Europe. He did use his personal combat experience both to enhance the scripting and plot development and to provide a special insight and perspective on the material.

It's been some years since I last watched this but I do recall that it does leave an impact. While a good many generic 'war films' seem to meld into one another in a sort of hazy fog of recollection, I can recall many, many vivid and memorable scenes from this fillm and can also recall the complexity of the ideas and the poetry and irony with which they are presented. It could almost be argued that Fuller's approach in this instance is somewhat 'pre-Malickian', without the voice-over. And Lee Marvin is simply a force of nature as the platoon NCO.

The visuals are dramatic and a Criterion blu-ray would be spectacular particularly played with a really good sound system. 'The Reconstruction' of the original release, completed in 2004 with remastering and digital restoration and with 47 minutes of additional footage, would make a really nifty package!
I agree with your excellent post. The Big Red One is a standout film and one of Fuller's best. It was actually the first Fuller film I ever saw, back when I had no idea who was Samuel Fuller.

Lee Marvin was also a combat veteran, which I believe is one of the reasons he brought so much noticeable gravitas to his screen roles, especially The Big Red One. Marvin was a WWII marine rifleman, badly wounded at Saipan in June 1944. He was still recovering from his wounds when the war ended. When Marvin died in 1987, he was buried in Arlington National Cemetary, and is interred next to boxing legend Joe Louis. I never knew this until some years ago when I visited the cemetery. We paused by Joe Louis's grave and then noticed a tombstone next to it with the words "Lee Marvin, PFC, U.S. Marine Corps World War II". Very humble, just like many of the other white tombstones, with no acknowledgement that this was the grave of a famous actor. A tour group walked up, and the guide confirmed that it was indeed the Lee Marvin, lying alongside the famous boxer.




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I thought about those two, but they have been mentioned a few times in the past year, and even show up on some people's "buy" lists when they post them. The Last Emperor and Broadcast News - can't even remember when they were last discussed or even on a recommendation list (unless it was mine). They've both been around longer too.

[Show spoiler]Although a search might bring a hit or two. It's all relative anyway.
There was quite a bit of discussion about Broadcast News a couple of years ago, closer to when it came out. But yeah, since then it has been pretty quiet. I love Broadcast News, and would highly recommend it.
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there was quite a bit of discussion about broadcast news a couple of years ago, closer to when it came out. But yeah, since then it has been pretty quiet. I love broadcast news, and would highly recommend it.
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Hi, oildude. Do you have this box set? It is not Blu-rays, but it is a wonderful collection which together with Criterion's Eclipse set covers just about all of Fuller's important early films. Look it up if you don't have it. I think you will like it a lot

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Thanks for pointing this set out to me, Pro-B. No, I don't have it, but will be looking into it now. It looks to be a well done package. I do have the Criterion Eclipse set - it was one of the first two eclipse sets I bought (together with the Larisa Shepitko set).
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I agree with your excellent post. The Big Red One is a standout film and one of Fuller's best. It was actually the first Fuller film I ever saw, back when I had no idea who was Samuel Fuller.

Lee Marvin was also a combat veteran, which I believe is one of the reasons he brought so much noticeable gravitas to his screen roles, especially The Big Red One.
Lee Marvin was a great actor. Point Blank is one of my favorite DVDs in my collection, and I hope that it sees the light of day on Blu-ray soon. I also love Hell in the Pacific, where Lee Marvin co-starred with Toshiro Mifune.

Sadly, I have not seen The Big Red One, and I have not seen any other Samuel Fuller movies. I've been intrigued to see one of Fuller's movies since I started paying attention to Criterion releases, but I have not made my way over to that particular corner, yet.
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The MOC edition of Onibaba looks splendid. Hopefully (and is often the case) the Criterion upgrade appears soon.
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Lee Marvin was a great actor.
If we're very lucky and keep our rooms clean and eat all our vegetables maybe someday we'll be able to pop in a Criterion BD and watch the man with the silver-knobbed whip snarl "well I'll teach you law...western law".
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The MOC edition of Onibaba looks splendid. Hopefully (and is often the case) the Criterion upgrade appears soon.
I hope Criterion keeps the same cover. It's one of my favorite ones in the collection on top of being an incredible film.
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The MOC edition of Onibaba looks splendid. Hopefully (and is often the case) the Criterion upgrade appears soon.
There's certainly enough overlap to keep hope alive but 'often' seems a little optimistic. I used to think MoC releases were a good sign for a CC release but they're starting to look like the kiss of death.
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There's certainly enough overlap to keep hope alive but 'often' seems a little optimistic. I used to think MoC releases were a good sign for a CC release but they're starting to look like the kiss of death.
True, but many of the titles licensed by both seems to have coinciding releases in more than a few cases - Gate of Hell, Repo Man, Two Lane Blacktop, Ballad of Naramaya, Le Beau Serge, Les Cousins... its certainly not every title, but a MOC release guarantees there's an HD master, so it's all but inevitable a Criterion upgrade follows suit down the road (or an MOC release follows Criterion)... I expect Ugetsu and Onibaba to be upgraded sometime this year, and maybe Joan of Arc, unless Criterion is waiting for the new restoration.
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True, but many of the titles licensed by both seems to have coinciding releases in more than a few cases - Gate of Hell, Repo Man, Two Lane Blacktop, Ballad of Naramaya, Le Beau Serge, Les Cousins... its certainly not every title, but a MOC release guarantees there's an HD master, so it's all but inevitable a Criterion upgrade follows suit down the road (or an MOC release follows Criterion)... I expect Ugetsu and Onibaba to be upgraded sometime this year, and maybe Joan of Arc, unless Criterion is waiting for the new restoration.
I forgot about a couple of those, maybe it's not as bleak as I was making out.

And yeah, if nothing else an MoC release does mean there's an HD master (and usually a pretty good one) out there somewhere.
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Thanks to Hulu I watched M, Breathless, The 400 Blows and I'm about 50% done with Battle for Algiers. All were excellent. M was amazing how old of a film it is. Breathless was a truly unique love story and I look forward to more of Godard's work. I thought 400 Blows was a good story but expected more.
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