The Criterion Collection

[PowellPressburger]

Originally Posted by chris_sc77

Hell yeah its their screw-up.

I dont pay the exorbitant prices for their releases so get the shaft .
I expect more from them than what the big studios are doing. Even the big studios stopped doing most of that kind of stuff years ago.
Just completely unacceptable behavior and a shameful movie on Criterions part.
Used to be wowed by Criterion releases. Now its more disappointment than anything I gotta say.

There was NO screw up. Their old edition went OOP. It happens from time to time on certain releases. Always check Criterion's site for a list of bonus features and specs per film. Maybe we are all Criterion Site rats since we are glued to their web page monthly when they announce their new titles and upgrades so I got over the loss when the new edition was announced.

You can still find used and even new copies of the old DVD if you want those features for cheap thru 3rd party Amazon sellers.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Tin-Drum-C...e+tin+drum+dvd

[shortmartin]

Originally Posted by JHas

While commenting on her CC top 10 Lena Dunham stated: "I’m embarrassed so many of these films are in English, but I just love speaking English.”

Is there anything that this woman can say or do that doesn't annoy the hell out of me?

good call . . . i actually liked Tiny Furniture (which I saw when it was first released), although I haven't seen Girls and, presuming that it amplifies some of the more unappealing aspects of Tiny, I can imagine that I wouldn't like it.

And this Top 10 list is annoying . . . she makes film reception and commentary into a kind of joke, there is little sense of film history (even though she mentions Varda and some others), there is an aversion to politics or why/how things matter (even though she chooses Weekend and War Room), and the English preference comment also irks me. Needless to say, it's not one of my favorite Top 10 lists, and is perhaps one of the least among them imo.

[Snicket]

Band of Outsiders

So after much ado, I finally got to seeing BoO, or Misogyny: The Movie.

I was really drawn in by the style and how every scene seemed to drip with "cool-ness". The intentionally cold characters were disappointing in a film this cool I would have liked to have been drawn in more. Make no mistake, they are terrible people, and not in a Don Draper so bad its good kind of way.

It kind of left me with a 1 foot in and 1 foot out kind of a feeling. The scene in the Cafe was hands down the highlight, everything seemed to meet in the middle and melt together perfectly.

[brandon_260]

Some of you are getting really worked up over the comment Dunham made. More than likely, it was just something made in jest.

[MidwestCrucible]

Originally Posted by JHas

While commenting on her CC top 10 Lena Dunham stated: "I’m embarrassed so many of these films are in English, but I just love speaking English.”

Is there anything that this woman can say or do that doesn't annoy the hell out of me?

You do realize she was being facetious?

I don't understand why there's so much vitriol aimed at her. When Criterion posted her Top 10 on facebook, you would have thought Hitler himself was being asked to pick his favorite titles.

I don't feel one way or another about Lena because I'm not familiar with most of her work but people really need to reevaluate their lives if something so trivial can bring about so much rage. There's nothing wrong with not being a fan of her work but move on. Take that negative energy and go focus it on something you love. Life's too short for all this nay nay.

[blkhrt]

Originally Posted by MidwestCrucible

You do realize she was being facetious?

I don't understand why there's so much vitriol aimed at her. When Criterion posted her Top 10 on facebook, you would have thought Hitler himself was being asked to pick his favorite titles.

I don't feel one way or another about Lena because I'm not familiar with most of her work but people really need to reevaluate their lives if something so trivial can bring about so much rage. There's nothing wrong with not being a fan of her work but move on. Take that negative energy and go focus it on something you love. Life's too short for all this nay nay.

Seriously. People get irate about her language comment, but no one was annoyed with Patton Oswalt because he commented about menu design on his top ten list. Of course, he can get away with it and she can't. It's all silly at this point.

[Snicket]

Originally Posted by brandon_260

Some of you are getting really worked up over the comment Dunham made. More than likely, it was just something made in jest.

People are jumping on Dunham over every little thing??? Nooooooo, that doesn't sound like this thread at all.

You must be mistaken.

[Hawkguy]

Originally Posted by brandon_260

Some of you are getting really worked up over the comment Dunham made. More than likely, it was just something made in jest.

As much as I hate her (and you guys know I really do), I have to admit that I like the comment (I could see myself making it) and I like her list (great choice of films).

[Abdrewes]

It seems like anything uttered by Michael Bay, M. Night Shyamalan or Lena Dunham will immediately make people assume the worst and thus use it as a chance to spread vitriol.

[chris_sc77]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

You can still find used and even new copies of the old DVD if you want those features for cheap thru 3rd party Amazon sellers.

http://www.amazon.com/The-Tin-Drum-C...e+tin+drum+dvd

Oh I have the 2 disk Criterion DVD. Thats part of why I am so mad. I wanted to sell that and keep my new one. Now I am stuck with both and I am screwed out of double the money and cant make any back if I want all the features.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

It seems like anything uttered by Michael Bay, M. Night Shyamalan or Lena Dunham will immediately make people assume the worst and thus use it as a chance to spread vitriol.

I thought that Lena Dunham's comments were funny, and I thought that she had a couple of keen choices on her Top 10.

She's all right in my book, even if the descriptions for Tiny Furniture do not exactly get my pulse racing.

[shortmartin]

compared to the Top 10 lists of Pedro Costa, Guillermo Del Toro, or Allison Anders (just to name a few that are better) the one from Lena Dunham comes across as trite and jv to me. the others are more thoughtful and reflective, reveal a richer historical sensibility as regards film and artistry, and explore a wider and deeper range of meanings, emotions, and forces that are associated with cinematic expression and the film-going experience. the lists are not just about what movies one picks - Lena's got some good ones (I esp like her choice of Weekend and Fish Tank) - but also the reasons and explanations given, and hers, while funny and incisive at times, are less impressive than many others.

look, I like Tiny Furniture, a lot, it works on many, many levels for me, and with Frances Ha I consider it to be a great, recent work on New York City culture, hipsterism, and semi-charmed lives of young adults. With echoes of Godard and the new wave, these movies also pleasantly recall the vein of Woody Allen and Nora Ephron for me.

i'm not on facebook or twitter so i don't have a sense for all the Dunham hate that might go on over there . . . i'm just not that into her Top 10 list.

[Blu-Velvet]

Originally Posted by JHas

Nice, tonight I am trying to decide on a drink-film pairing.

The Big Lebowski - White Russian
Leprechaun 2 - Blended Canadian Whiskey
or
Blue Velvet - with PABST BLUE RIBBON!!!!!

Naaah... gotta go with, "mmm... Heineken!!" (But careful not to flush too loud!) Or maybe BOURBON!!

[shortmartin]

in the opening scene Ethan Hawke's character is wearing a t-shirt from the gift shop at either "Neptune Records" (of O'Jays fame) or "Neptoon Records" (an indie shop in Vancouver). I can't remember exactly, but I think it was the former. Does anyone know which one it is, and whether/how this might be important to the plot, its meaning, and so on?

[shortmartin]

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here's an interview with Hawke and a web posting that is informative on this issue . . .

http://1worldcinema.com/2013/03/31/b...ght-chapter-3/

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by Snicket

Band of Outsiders

So after much ado, I finally got to seeing BoO, or Misogyny: The Movie.

[Show spoiler]I was really drawn in by the style and how every scene seemed to drip with "cool-ness". The intentionally cold characters were disappointing in a film this cool I would have liked to have been drawn in more. Make no mistake, they are terrible people, and not in a Don Draper so bad its good kind of way.

It kind of left me with a 1 foot in and 1 foot out kind of a feeling. The scene in the Cafe was hands down the highlight, everything seemed to meet in the middle and melt together perfectly.

Thanks for the review, Snicket!

I believe that the three characters are a "band of outsiders" in more ways than one. They are not necessarily likeable people to us the viewers, and they do not fit into the midst of society, but they are also outsiders to one another. These three are constantly locking horns with one another on a psychological level, and they are never really in tune as to what is going on in minds of one another.

The cafe dance scene is so awesomely memorable, because it is the only moment in the movie when these outsiders to the world and to one another are acting in perfect sync and harmony as a team. Even then, though, the voiceover narrator informs us that the three characters are thinking along entirely different lines of thought while they appear to move as one.

I think that another cafe scene, with the three characters bumping one another aside on the seat, is more symbolic of how their relationship functions during the rest of the film.

These three characters do exude a coolness, but cool does not always translate to likeable. As the late Kurt Cobain sang, "I'd rather be dead than cool."
Or, as some of my Atlanta friends and I are fond of saying, "Cool people are the stupidest people in the world."

The Godard films are adept at portraying cool characters who are not always pleasant characters. Quentin Taratino blatantly takes his cue from Godard's stylistic character choices, with favorable results.

[Abdrewes]

Originally Posted by shortmartin

in the opening scene Ethan Hawke's character is wearing a t-shirt from the gift shop at either "Neptune Records" (of O'Jays fame) or "Neptoon Records" (an indie shop in Vancouver). I can't remember exactly, but I think it was the former. Does anyone know which one it is, and whether/how this might be important to the plot, its meaning, and so on?

I didn't know Ethan Hawke was in Frances Ha "spined" you

(I can't offer much help on the real question)

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by shortmartin

<<

here's an interview with Hawke and a web posting that is informative on this issue . . .

http://1worldcinema.com/2013/03/31/b...ght-chapter-3/

One of these days, when I own all three movies, I'm going to watch Before Sunrise, Before Sunset, and Before Midnight in reverse order for the fun of it, just to see how the hardened aspects of the characters soften as they go back in time, and to end the story with a rush of excitement where all options are open.

I'm strange that way, I guess.

This comes from the same part of my psyche that would enjoy watching Danny Boyle's 127 Hours backwards so that it becomes a heartwarming tale about a disabled man who travels to the desert and finds an arm.

[shortmartin]

Originally Posted by Abdrewes

I didn't know Ethan Hawke was in Frances Ha "spined" you

(I can't offer much help on the real question)

you got me . . . edit noted, thanks.

spined again. newman.

[octagon]

Not for nothing, but the whole overreaction to All Things Dunham thing cuts both ways.

One person said her list was annoying and another said she annoyed the hell out of him.

So what?

As vitriol goes that's pretty tame stuff, no?