The Criterion Collection

[Volume11]

Originally Posted by Juiceboxjerry

Here's two examples of what I'm talking about:

"The people that call me cynical is funny. I know I am in no man's land here with all of these zombies walking around with their Star Wars shirts on...'

"The thing is if you look at the comments on the front page's listing of this mess, you can see people still complaining about the lack of Wes Anderson even with this pre-order (which is still fake). It seems like they want all Wes Anderson, all the time, and that is why I find it funny when it doesn't go their way, because I think I know the way this company works by collecting from them for a long long time. "Oh Darjeeling pre-order, now Criterion we need more Anderson than this!" type of crap."

Perhaps it's not "attacking", but I really don't understand what it is you're trying to do. I'm not looking to start anything with anybody, it's just that most of your comments are so over the top/elitist/lame I feel the need to say something. And judging from what I've seen, I'm not the only one.

Its part of his charm.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by Juiceboxjerry

And judging from what I've seen, I'm not the only one.

When someone calls me a name, I can't come back at that with name calling? That's what I did.

Also, I know alot of the "bigger posters" on here knows how I am. Knows I don't truthfully mean 90% of the stuff I say and the other 10% is when some people ticks me off. I am a human so yes, people ticks me off. Just like I tick you off.

And I know you don't want to fight, but "And judging from what I've seen, I'm not the only one." doesn't sound smart to you? It's a full circle, not just me that says smart stuff. And to answer that back, I don't care what those people think of me. I know people like ccfixx and kndy who posts on here everyday don't have a problem with me. I know they prob don't like the pages of fighting but guess what, it takes 2 to do that.

[jmcy2k]

I understand the skepticism regarding Amazon product placeholders, but I can't recall one Criterion pre-order on Amazon that wasn't legitimate and accurate, fwiw. It seems to me Criterion does a solid job of announcing products when they're ready, and communicating the requisite info to Amazon.

Anyway, we know TTRL/Antichrist/7Sams are definitely enroute.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by kndy

Yeah, I picked that one up plus Chris Nolan's "Following" for $3 too.

Good deal. Isn't that suppose to be out this year by Criterion?

[Juiceboxjerry]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

When someone calls me a name, I can't come back at that with name calling? That's what I did.

Also, I know alot of the "bigger posters" on here knows how I am. Knows I don't truthfully mean 90% of the stuff I say and the other 10% is when some people ticks me off. I am a human so yes, people ticks me off. Just like I tick you off.

And I know you don't want to fight, but "And judging from what I've seen, I'm not the only one." doesn't sound smart to you? It's a full circle, not just me that says smart stuff. And to answer that back, I don't care what those people think of me. I know people like ccfixx and kndy who posts on here everyday don't have a problem with me. I know they prob don't like the pages of fighting but guess what, it takes 2 to do that.

Maybe my reading comprehension sucks (very possible), but I have no idea what you were saying in that last paragraph. I don't know if I should feel insulted or something, but whatever, it really doesn't matter.

I'll just say again, I really do not have an issue with anyone, and I wasn't trying to start anything. It could very well be that you are an acquired taste and people around here can pick up on your jokes. If that's the case, I apologize.

It just seems to me, from the little time I spend here, that you are very quick to jump on people when they ask about particular films/directors (i.e. Wes Anderson, Seven Samurai/Kirosawa, Malick). I rarely, if ever, see other posters on here doing this. I find it pretty rude, and totally unnecessary for a thread like this.

[stobbart]

does anyone know why the seventh seal blu is $10 more then the DVD? Someone posted this on facebook like a week ago and it got me curious about it. Sadly CC did not respond, which is unusual for them with regards to actual pricing and info about their movies.

Criterion said that all their blus would be the same price as their DVDs so any ideas on why this one is more?

I picked this up for $17 or w/e it was back in the amazon sale, so its just simply out of curiosity why CC has it like this on their site. I know it can be had for much less.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by Juiceboxjerry

It just seems to me, from the little time I spend here, that you are very quick to jump on people when they ask about particular films/directors (i.e. Wes Anderson, Seven Samurai/Kirosawa, Malick). I rarely, if ever, see other posters on here doing this. I find it pretty rude, and totally unnecessary for a thread like this.

This is the last thing I am going to say about this and it involves people's taste and mine. The main thing I get upset about is every single one of those movies that I "attack" people on, you can buy already. The movies I usually want you can't get anywhere, not even on dvd. Criterion seems to be the only one that can put out those movies (New Yorker isn't anymore, and Kino doesn't), but people still feel the need to push the never released movies aside for their greed of re-releasing a movie on Criterion due to their reputation of releases.

People don't want new things to come out, they just want the same over and over. I know those movies are not on blu-ray, but the movies I want isn't even on dvd. Also to attack my point is funny because how do they know that a movie (for example) I say isn't better than a Darjeeling Limited? They have not watched that "example" movie. They are just fighting my opinion because I am attacking their "safe" views, when actually I am defending mine from the greedy releases. That is why this "fight" is always coming back around. Now hopefully you see my view on it, and see why I want a never been released movie before a 2nd or 3rd re-released Wes Anderson movie.

[Aristide Massaccesi]

I'm still in doubt wether to pick up the Criterion or the MoC release of M. I've read some reviews and opinions on both, but there doesn't seem to be consensus on which is the definitive version. Anyone care to advise?

[blimey]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

I am not wanting to put skepticism on the movies, just the pre-orders. Criterion has NEVER done this, so I was just trying to help people out before they get all happy over something that has never happened before. But I see I am not helping out, just bringing out fanboys to bash me back so this all can be deleted in an hour.

If a Godard movie was announced like this, I would put skepticism on it as well, since I want his movies and don't think that is the way Criterion announces them, not jump up and down acting crazy.

OK, they look like fake, but they are real.

http://theplaylistnation.blogspot.co...-red-line.html

[Juiceboxjerry]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

This is the last thing I am going to say about this and it involves people's taste and mine. The main thing I get upset about is every single one of those movies that I "attack" people on, you can buy already. The movies I usually want you can't get anywhere, not even on dvd. Criterion seems to be the only one that can put out those movies (New Yorker isn't anymore, and Kino doesn't), but people still feel the need to push the never released movies aside for their greed of re-releasing a movie on Criterion due to their reputation of releases.

People don't want new things to come out, they just want the same over and over. I know those movies are not on blu-ray, but the movies I want isn't even on dvd. Also to attack my point is funny because how do they know that a movie (for example) I say isn't better than a Darjeeling Limited? They have not watched that "example" movie. They are just fighting my opinion because I am attacking their "safe" views, when actually I am defending mine from the greedy releases. That is why this "fight" is always coming back around. Now hopefully you see my view on it, and see why I want a never been released movie before a 2nd or 3rd re-released Wes Anderson movie.

Well said, that's understandable.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by Juiceboxjerry

Well said, that's understandable.

Thank you sir. I should of said it the 1st "fight" I had on this forum.
I own some Wes Anderson films (including D.L.), I own The Thin Red Line, I own Seven Samurai, and I own Bergman films. I understand people wants them on blu-ray, but heck I will take a dvd of some of the things I would like anyday of the week because I can't even get them anywhere. So I am now going to stop this, because I rather just talk about other stuff, like how my fav Paul Thomas Anderson film is the one in your avatar.


Now, I see that those releases I guess are coming (even though I still will wait for Criterion's site to announce them), so congrats to the ones who wants them.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

Isn't [Nolan's Following] suppose to be out this year by Criterion?

I would guess that since they let the cross-promotion opportunity with the theatrical release of Inception pass this July without releasing it that November/December is likely in order to cross promote it with the DVD/BD release of Inception.

[ccfixx]

Originally Posted by Aristide Massaccesi

I'm still in doubt wether to pick up the Criterion or the MoC release of M. I've read some reviews and opinions on both, but there doesn't seem to be consensus on which is the definitive version. Anyone care to advise?

Yes, buy both versions.

CC

[jmcy2k]

Great find, blimey! GOLD.

Originally Posted by blimey

OK, they look like fake, but they are real.

http://theplaylistnation.blogspot.co...-red-line.html

[ksc2303]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

This is the last thing I am going to say about this and it involves people's taste and mine. The main thing I get upset about is every single one of those movies that I "attack" people on, you can buy already. The movies I usually want you can't get anywhere, not even on dvd. Criterion seems to be the only one that can put out those movies (New Yorker isn't anymore, and Kino doesn't), but people still feel the need to push the never released movies aside for their greed of re-releasing a movie on Criterion due to their reputation of releases.

People don't want new things to come out, they just want the same over and over. I know those movies are not on blu-ray, but the movies I want isn't even on dvd. Also to attack my point is funny because how do they know that a movie (for example) I say isn't better than a Darjeeling Limited? They have not watched that "example" movie. They are just fighting my opinion because I am attacking their "safe" views, when actually I am defending mine from the greedy releases. That is why this "fight" is always coming back around. Now hopefully you see my view on it, and see why I want a never been released movie before a 2nd or 3rd re-released Wes Anderson movie.

Oh, but you didn't give me a chance
I'm not here to start a fight so don't get all offended. The truth in this conversation lies somewhere in the middle. Some back story for those who haven't kept up with this thread, I jumped in a conversation on if Kurosawa or Anderson should be in the criterion collection. CassavetesGodard proceeded to imply more or less that I was a moron for defending said directors. What he didn't understand is that I completely agree with his ideal of releasing movies never before released on home video. So let’s break this down:

Wes Anderson:
No, all of his movies don't need to be re-released as criterion titles. Rushmore and Tenebaums will likely follow the same path as the Michael Bay movies that disney released themselves on Blu-ray (i.e. with the criterion extras)

Bottle Rocket and Darjeeling Limited both got terrible dvd releases. A re-release from Criterion is a major upgrade in every sense of the word. Sony (with bottle rocket) or Fox (darjeeling) were never going to put the work into giving these titles a proper release, so thank you criterion.

There is no reason for a criterion Fantastic Mr Fox... from everything I've read (haven't bought it for myself yet) the Blu-ray out now is about as perfect as could be.

Kurosawa/Malick/et al:
I don't think anyone would argue movies by these directors shouldn't be released on Blu-ray. Well like CassavetesGodard mentioned, it’s just about Criterion and Kino putting out foreign/art house films on Blu-ray (in the USA). In a perfect world these movies would be blockbusters but they have to settle for being the most well known of relatively obscure cinema. Even if we can know for a fact that Seven Samurai could be replaced as a criterion title with "movie x" that only a handful of people have seen... it doesn't have any bearing on the fact Seven Samurai needs to be released on Blu-ray! It’s a major piece of cinema history that is highly regarded up there with Citizen Kane, The Seventh Seal, ect... I hope "movie x" does come out on Blu-ray but it won’t stop me from wanting movies I love from being released on the best home video format. Of course this would all be public information had CassavetesGodard not had our posts deleted. I had stated I wanted a Kiju Yoshida criterion/eclipse release cause none of his movies have been released in the west.

Criterion (as a company) and OCD:
Most of you guys need to get a grip. I cherish my (incomplete) criterion collection but you know what? I'm not personally invested with the company. I don't pretend I know what they should do. It’s one thing to have a personal preference when you like or dislike a particular movie or even the cover art but I'm sick of everyone going on about what criterion needs to do. Criterion is a business! They are run by businessmen who happen to enjoy (for the most part) amazing films. They must create a product and profit off of it to stay in business. None of you must buy every single one of their releases, I'm sorry... you don't have to! Should that stop you? I don’t care, do as you please. It’s your money. Instead of having an inevitable sense of doom that a title you dislike is coming out, don’t buy it! I hated Antichrist, thus I'm not dropping $30 on owning it so I can have an extra case w/ a number on my shelf. I wouldn't wear an abercrombie, nike or any other company logo as a T-shirt, that applies to criterion as well.

Thank you for reading my essay here. Long live the new flesh!

[SpiderBaby]

Just a couple of things:

When did I ever said anyone was a moron?

I don't have a complete collection either.

You said, "I'm not here to start a fight so don't get all offended" but then said, "...had CassavetesGodard not had our posts deleted!" I didn't push a delete button and it sounds like your baiting to me calling me out.

I like your last paragraph "Criterion (as a company) and OCD".

Oh, and your "Oh, but you didn't give me a chance"! Sorry about that.

[Flyfisherman]

Originally Posted by jcs913

CG, you are always good for one cynical post per day, but this one is up there with the best. I think it would make your week, hell year, if this was false, just so the 'masses' would be disappointed. This way, CC could concentrate on 'real' films being released, right?

Real films? I would say The Seven Samurai is one of if the the best films of all time. And no film cc can throw out there would top it. So glad that SS is finally getting the Blu release as it is the "flagship" title of the entire collection ( along with the seventh seal, Grand illusion, 8 1/2 and the 400 blows). I sure wish Criterion would get the rights from Lorber and release La Dolce Vita!

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by Flyfisherman

Real films? I would say The Seven Samurai is one of if the the best films of all time. And no film cc can throw out there would top it.

Have you seen every single movie that has ever been made?

[ksc2303]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

Just a couple of things:

When did I ever said anyone was a moron?

I don't have a complete collection either.

You said, "I'm not here to start a fight so don't get all offended" but then said, "...had CassavetesGodard not had our posts deleted!" I didn't push a delete button and it sounds like your baiting to me calling me out.

I like your last paragraph "Criterion (as a company) and OCD".

Oh, and your "Oh, but you didn't give me a chance"! Sorry about that.

I know its hard to get inflection and tone across over text but I'm not trying to pick on you. I'm criticizing both sides of the argument. In my last post i said "CassavetesGodard proceeded to imply more or less that I was a moron." So I'll let what I wrote speak for its self.

Now, had the posts (which were completely civil) not been removed I could point to the exact text that was exchanged instead of my biased side of the argument. Posterity is for both of us, sir. As far as the exact process for how those posts were removed, I was never privy to it. I figured if a regular makes a request of a mod, they're more empathic to the guy who posts every day as opposed to the guy in a rare occasion.

Don't worry I don't take any of this personally, I don't consider anyone on a forum my "enemy." And I completely agree with you about getting all excited about amazon placeholders. I know some people get overly enthusiastic but if you've been on any blu-ray forums on a regular basis you'd know that amazon lists all kinds of titles that are un-announced (and yet to be released). I guess the link posted since early this morning was supposed to confirm the amazon pre-order titles as real but I'm not going to get excited until I see criterion announce a release date. As we all know Cronos was hinted at over a year ago and yet no release...

[ccfixx]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

Have you seen every single movie that has ever been made?

CG, I love how the "last thing" you were gonna say was about 3 posts ago. Keep up the fight! It makes for an entertaining read. I like sitting back and staying out of the way of the CG wrath.

CC