The Criterion Collection

[octagon]

Originally Posted by fahrenheit290

A Vertigo Criterion, just thinking about it makes me excited. I still don't know whether I should get that BD; there seems to be mixed reviews on the image quality/transfer.

Vertigo and The Birds are much better looking than some of the feedback/reviews would have one think. There are some clunkers in the big set but Vertigo definitely wasn't one of them.

[jlk5844]

Originally Posted by fahrenheit290

A Vertigo Criterion, just thinking about it makes me excited. I still don't know whether I should get that BD; there seems to be mixed reviews on the image quality/transfer.

A Vertigo Blu-ray would be great if it gets a 4K scan and the works, and the poster art for the cover. Love that poster. But I did buy the current Blu-ray last month, as I had already been itching to get it for far too long but didn't want to get the box set. I got it for $10.99, I'd certainly pay that much if you're a big fan of the film.

Originally Posted by Polaroid

I dont understand the fanboyism with Nolan - yes he is a great director but half these people don't seem to know his original films, I even saw a comment saying 'Nice to see Nolan going back to his roots' - Im like, this is nothing like Memento, Following, Insomnia, Prestige etc etc :/

I just meant in general people do that with movie trailers, particularly with a well regarded movie director. Trailers are hype machines. I used to get sucked into that when I was younger, but now I try not to. Of course I can understand being excited for a movie from a director you love, but making comments like "this will be a masterpiece" months before it's even out when you haven't seen it? It's comments like that where you get "Nolanites" from and the fanboyism.

And this might be just me, but I am tired of the 2001: A Space Odyssey comments we get so often now. Is any movie that is some combination of weird, slow, driven by visuals and without much dialogue, or involving space exploration automatically going to be compared to 2001 now?

[SlickDamian]

I have the Hitchcock masterpiece collection on DVD. I would love to upgrade that to blu, and doesn't the new one include North by Northwest?

Totally unrelated, my girlfriend and I are going to stream Metallica: Through the Never tonight. I will let you know what I think, I usually enjoy trippy/surreal/random movies, maybe this one would appeal to us Criterion forum people?

[Helikaon]

Oh gosh, It Happened One Night on Blu-ray! Amazing, amazing, UH-MA-ZING! Love the cover of L'Avventura. Haven't seen Tootsie but I will check it out as it has lots of people excited.

There's some guy on Facebook kicking up a storm about Criterion releasing Tootsie (below their announcement). Saying Criterion should pass their releases by him first because they are losing their "street cred" and that a lot of their titles lately aren't "Criterion worthy".

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

I was initially inclined to think of Tootsie as "too mainstream" for Criterion, but a realization occurred to me. [snip]

It's certainly no more mainstream than:

All That Heaven Allows
All That Jazz
Anatomy of a Murder
The Big Chill
The Blob
Broadcast News
Charade
The Curious Case of Benjamin Button
Heaven's Gate
The Ice Storm
It Happened One Night
It's a Mad, Mad, Mad, Mad World
Jubal
The Last Days of Disco
My Darling Clementine
Nashville
On the Waterfront
Red River
Ride with the Devil
Rosemary's Baby
The Shooting / Ride in the Whirlwind
Stagecoach
Something Wild
3:10 to Yuma
To Be or Not to Be
12 Angry Men
Two Lane Blacktop

[Mansinthe]

Dont forget all these wes anderson movies in the criterion collection. and thief

[octagon]

Originally Posted by Helikaon

There's some guy on Facebook kicking up a storm about Criterion releasing Tootsie (below their announcement). Saying Criterion should pass their releases by him first because they are losing their "street cred" and that a lot of their titles lately aren't "Criterion worthy".

Do people with street cred still say street cred? I would have thought that phrase went out the second Modelo used it in their commercial.

[atlantajoseph]

Haha, oh dear. Here are my quick rules for the correct usage of the terms tetralogy and quadrilogy:

1. Tetralogy is correct in most instances.

2. Quadrilogy is an acceptably goofy alternative whenever the word alien is included in any part of a work of art's title, due to the wacky precedent established by one particular DVD box set full of cinematic extraterrestrial creepiness.

Examples include: Alien Quadrilogy, Alienation Quadrilogy.

[tenia]

Yeah cause Monte Hellman's westerns are as mainstream than Ben Button...

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by tenia

Yeah cause Monte Hellman's westerns are as mainstream than Ben Button...

If you want to argue different levels of "mainstream", that's a separate issue. Me, it's either mainstream or it isn't. To me, a film is mainstream if the film was likely to be shown at any random movie theater in small-town America.

[adamhopelies]

Originally Posted by fahrenheit290

There really is a divide between films the Internet generation loves and the wider public...you could see that on the AV Club's best films of the 90s, a ridiculous list. Apparently liking films like Silence of the Lambs, JFK, and Titanic is just not cool, as they were left out. Shakespeare in Love is continuously crucified online and in any print piece on the worst BP winners because it beat Saving Private Ryan, a film that I think is largely lackluster and pales against the great war movies. The Thin Red Line is never mentioned, of course.

The Thin Red Line topped the "ridiculous" AV Club list of the best films of the 90s, so the internet "hipsters" are certainly fond of that one.

I've never really seen the Shakespeare In Love backlash as having anything to do with it beating Saving Private Ryan, which I think is a lousy film in itself. SiL is bad on its own merits!

[SammyJankis]

Uh.. this is AV Club's list:

10. Being John Malkovich
9. Rushmore
8. Unforgiven
7. Reservoir Dogs
6. Out of Sight
5. Chungking Express
4. Dazed and Confused
3. Toy Story 2
2. Pulp Fiction
1. Goodfellas

This is not a list that differentiates itself from the herd. It's a pretty typical list. I don't care much for their writing (especially as of late), but this is nothing to gripe about. It's not like something from, say, Reverse Shot.

EDIT: I imagine Adam is referring to Slant's list.

[adamhopelies]

Originally Posted by SammyJankis

Uh.. this is AV Club's list:

10. Being John Malkovich
9. Rushmore
8. Unforgiven
7. Reservoir Dogs
6. Out of Sight
5. Chungking Express
4. Dazed and Confused
3. Toy Story 2
2. Pulp Fiction
1. Goodfellas

This is not a list that differentiates itself from the herd. It's a pretty typical list. I don't care much for their writing (especially as of late), but this is nothing to gripe about. It's not like something from, say, Reverse Shot.

EDIT: I imagine Adam is referring to Slant's list.

Oops, sorry yes, I'm getting mixed up with Slant.

[Bad Sandwich]

Originally Posted by SammyJankis

Having now just seen The Sacrifice, I only have Andrei Rublev left. Trying to save what Tarkovsky I have left. I think I'll wait for the Blu on this one.

AR has been released on BD in Russia (twice) and Japan.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by Fellini912

Quadrilogy is not a word, you mean tetralogy (which maintains a Greek prefix and root).

Thanks. I stand corrected. Blame it in the fact that I keep seeing the Alien Quadilogy on the sale banner on top of this forum almost every single day.

[Yojimbo68]

Originally Posted by fahrenheit290

I've learned to ignore the Internet movie "hipsters," the ones who glorify everything by Tarantino, Fincher, and Scorsese as the cool films. There really is a divide between films the Internet generation loves and the wider public...you could see that on the AV Club's best films of the 90s, a ridiculous list. Apparently liking films like Silence of the Lambs, JFK, and Titanic is just not cool, as they were left out. Shakespeare in Love is continuously crucified online and in any print piece on the worst BP winners because it beat Saving Private Ryan, a film that I think is largely lackluster and pales against the great war movies. The Thin Red Line is never mentioned, of course. Group think wins out; it's amazing how people are afraid to make their own decisions about something as trivial as movies, as well as much more important issues of course. Tootsie is a very strong American comedy. I would guess those people griping on Facebook simply haven't seen the film. It comments on the entertainment industry agency structure, the struggling artist, women in Hollywood. Dustin Hoffman gives one of his best performances; the supporting cast is great; the screenplay fantastic. It has to be up there with the best American comedies: Wilder, Capra, Hawks. If those dissenters knew Bill Murray was in the movie, they'd probably change their mind lol

Tootsie is a great movie and a wonderful film to look at structure wise if you have any interest in writing a screenplay.

[Snicket]

The mainstream vs. not mainstream debate that happens every few months is really hard, mostly because there is not much to be had out of it.

Also big groups of people are being marginalized with "fanboys" "hipsters" and "film snob" labels. You like what speaks to you and that dosent make you a stereotype.

[ShellOilJunior]

Originally Posted by ultlife2013

What about the fanboyism with any other director? Godard, Bergman, Altman, Kubrick, Hitchcock, Spielberg, Scorsese. Etc etc etc.. What's the difference there?

The difference is Nolan "fan boys" are perceived as short-sighted. Many of them haven't seen films from those directors yet they claim Nolan superior to all.

[fdm]

Originally Posted by SammyJankis

I love the Red Desert cover. Among my favorites.

I'm on the opposite end of the scale, probably the most dull one I can think of off hand.

[ultlife2013]

Originally Posted by Snicket

The mainstream vs. not mainstream debate that happens every few months is really hard, mostly because there is not much to be had out of it.

Also big groups of people are being marginalized with "fanboys" "hipsters" and "film snob" labels. You like what speaks to you and that dosent make you a stereotype.

It's not who you are underneath, it's what you do that defines you.