The Criterion Collection

[lordmorpheus72]

Originally Posted by jmclick

Well, my Barnes & Noble store looked as if a cyclone had hit the Criterion blu-ray section and swept away all the titles that I had considered purchasing. No Sundays and Cybele, no Tootsie, no Certified Copy or The Devil's Backbone ... I started leave empty-handed, when I suddenly remembered a film that I had been curious about, but had never ever sought out ... Rene Clement's Purple Noon. I looked at the shelf where it should have been, but nope, it wasn't there. But, as I turned away, feeling both disappointed and frustrated, my eye glanced down at the bottom shelf, below the Criterions and the Children's films and there it was, mixed in with the musicals: Purple Noon. I figured whoever shelved it must have confused it with Purple Rain, but whatever the case, I took it as a sign that it must have been hidden there waiting for me to find it. :-)

That's funny, I just added Purple Noon to my Hulu queue. Looknig forward to watching it soon. Maybe it'll be part of my next 50% of purchases.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by jw007

Hate to be a complainer here but traveling in a car is kind of unnatural if you think about it and its actually downright dehumanizing. I mean, if you look back in 32,000 years of human history, humans have only had automobiles for about 100 years, so human DNA hasn't adjusted yet or evolved to today's unnatural forms of transportation. Humans sealed in a dehumanizing metal container traveling at unholy speeds that horses couldn't even run at, is kind of, well, "new" in the grand scheme of things.

So, are you suggesting that people who don't get motion sickness traveling in cars are mutants?

Also, we've only had automobiles for about 100 years. True enough. We've also only had movies for the same amount of time. And we've had recorded music for less than that. And television for less than that. Shall we give up on those things until our DNA "adjusts" to them? And if we give up on them, how will our DNA learn to "adjust"?

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by jayembee

So, are you suggesting that people who don't get motion sickness traveling in cars are mutants?

Also, we've only had automobiles for about 100 years. True enough. We've also only had movies for the same amount of time. And we've had recorded music for less than that. And television for less than that. Shall we give up on those things until our DNA "adjusts" to them? And if we give up on them, how will our DNA learn to "adjust"?

To be fair, recorded music, films, and TV are highly unlikely to lead to one's death.

[Vinyl]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

To be fair, recorded music, films, and TV are highly unlikely to lead to one's death.

Yet it is cited to cause many deaths due to people listening to or watching media.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

To be fair, recorded music, films, and TV are highly unlikely to lead to one's death.

But are they? One might say the same thing about cell phones, and yet there are people who believe that holding up a radio-frequency device to the side of your head will slowly cook your brain like a microwave oven. There's no evidence that it will, but as the saying goes, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

Extrapolating from jw007's premise, if these things have only existed for 0.2% of mankind's existence, then exposing ourselves to them is "unnatural", and we can't be sure of the long-term effects on our brains as they try to process the input.

Besides, it's not necessarily a question of death. There is, for example, plenty of data that supports the idea that listening to recordings of thrash metal at high volume (and what's the point of listening to thrash metal if it's not at high volume?) can destroy your hearing. Granted, one's hearing can be just as damaged listening to it at a live performance, so it's not necessarily the recorded medium that's the issue, but recorded music makes it easier for more people to be exposed to destructive sounds.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by Vinyl

Yet it is cited to cause many deaths due to people listening to or watching media.

Yes. By crazy people.

Originally Posted by jayembee

But are they? One might say the same thing about cell phones, and yet there are people who believe that holding up a radio-frequency device to the side of your head will slowly cook your brain like a microwave oven. There's no evidence that it will, but as the saying goes, "absence of evidence is not evidence of absence".

Extrapolating from jw007's premise, if these things have only existed for 0.2% of mankind's existence, then exposing ourselves to them is "unnatural", and we can't be sure of the long-term effects on our brains as they try to process the input.

Besides, it's not necessarily a question of death. There is, for example, plenty of data that supports the idea that listening to recordings of thrash metal at high volume (and what's the point of listening to thrash metal if it's not at high volume?) can destroy your hearing. Granted, one's hearing can be just as damaged listening to it at a live performance, so it's not necessarily the recorded medium that's the issue, but recorded music makes it easier for more people to be exposed to destructive sounds.

OK, but all those things are quite different from 10s of 1000s deaths each year resulting from auto accidents. And sure, listening to anything at a high enough volume is going to slowly ruin one's hearing. But the same can be said of working in a factory.

[RojD]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Yes. By crazy people.

OK, but all those things are quite different from 10s of 1000s deaths each year resulting from auto accidents. And sure, listening to anything at a high enough volume is going to slowly ruin one's hearing. But the same can be said of working in a factory.

Well, we all have our role to play in natural selection. Maybe we should watch 3D for the betterment of mankind.

[lordmorpheus72]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

To be fair, recorded music, films, and TV are highly unlikely to lead to one's death.

Not if you ask the people who claimed that our heavy metal was really a plan to make us fans commit suicide. Too many years or arguing against those idiots.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by RojD

Well, we all have our role to play in natural selection. Maybe we should watch 3D for the betterment of mankind.

Well, I can't. I get a bad headache with 3D. Which really sucks for something like Godard's most recent film.

Originally Posted by lordmorpheus72

Not if you ask the people who claimed that our heavy metal was really a plan to make us fans commit suicide. Too many years or arguing against those idiots.

Yeah, arguing with crazy people is pretty much a fruitless endeavor. Someone who believes something that whacked out is never going to change his or her mind based a rational argument -- since they are irrational to begin with.

But yeah, I had my share of those infuriating arguments, until I just said 'eff it.

[lordmorpheus72]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Well, I can't. I get a bad headache with 3D. Which really sucks for something like Godard's most recent film.



Yeah, arguing with crazy people is pretty much a fruitless endeavor. Someone who believes something that whacked out is never going to change his or her mind based a rational argument -- since they are irrational to begin with.

But yeah, I had my share of those infuriating arguments, until I just said 'eff it.

That's what you just have to do. I still remember being in church youth group and watching the videos that espoused the evils or rock and how they were all trying to get us to not believe, and even kill outselves. Backwards masking, and all the "tricks" they used, made me and my friends laugh. Play it backwards and it says "kill, kill, kill... get the gun," and the best is Stairway, and it's lyrics of "there are two ways, you can go back if you want to..." And of course the album burnings.... I look back and think, good Lord.

[belcherman]

Originally Posted by lordmorpheus72

I love my Hulu Plus account. I try to check out blond buys on Hulu so they aren't so blind, if I don't know much about the film, or it hasn't been recommended here. With the Criterion movies, and every thing else, the $7.99 isn't a huge cost... for me anyway.

+1! If you can get Hulu Plus, it's one of the best deals in streaming, especially for Criterion lovers. Not only do they have 800+ Criterion films on demand, they also port some of the special features for many of them.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by lordmorpheus72

That's what you just have to do. I still remember being in church youth group and watching the videos that espoused the evils or rock and how they were all trying to get us to not believe, and even kill outselves. Backwards masking, and all the "tricks" they used, made me and my friends laugh. Play it backwards and it says "kill, kill, kill... get the gun," and the best is Stairway, and it's lyrics of "there are two ways, you can go back if you want to..." And of course the album burnings.... I look back and think, good Lord.

Yikes! You definitely had it a lot worse than I did. Thankfully -- well, for me; not for you, really.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by RojD

Well, we all have our role to play in natural selection. Maybe we should watch 3D for the betterment of mankind.

Exactly the point when one starts bringing in the argument that our DNA hasn't adjusted to processing certain types of sensory input, and that therefore exposing ourselves to this input is bad until our DNA has adjusted. It's already too late for those of us who have problems watching a 3D movie or reading a book while riding in a car.

If evolution decides that watching 3D movies is a beneficial trait for the species as a whole, the best that those of us who can watch them without ill effect can do is to pass that trait on to our offspring and hope that a few thousand generations later, everyone will be able to do it.

A lot of squirrels had to fall to their death in order to help create flying squirrels.

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by jayembee

Exactly the point when one starts bringing in the argument that our DNA hasn't adjusted to processing certain types of sensory input, and that therefore exposing ourselves to this input is bad until our DNA has adjusted. It's already too late for those of us who have problems watching a 3D movie or reading a book while riding in a car.

If evolution decides that watching 3D movies is a beneficial trait for the species as a whole, the best that those of us who can watch them without ill effect can do is to pass that trait on to our offspring and hope that a few thousand generations later, everyone will be able to do it.

A lot of squirrels had to fall to their death in order to help create flying squirrels.

Poor squirrels.

[MifuneFan]

We've seriously gotten to a point where we're linking human evolution to adapting to 3D movies

[lordmorpheus72]

Originally Posted by belcherman

+1! If you can get Hulu Plus, it's one of the best deals in streaming, especially for Criterion lovers. Not only do they have 800+ Criterion films on demand, they also port some of the special features for many of them.

Yeah it's amazing deal. Though I was looking for Heaven's Gate on their and they don't have it. I was relistening to Jeff Bridge's interview on Howard today and he was talking about how great a film it was, and how much fun they had making it. It was a really great interview actually, he talked about many of his films, and his father's. And he talked about The Fabulous Baker Boys as well, which I'd love to see a Criterion release of. It was great interview and he talked a lot about his films. Listen to it if you can find it.

Back to Heaven's Gate, I'm thinking of giving it a blind buy, it sounds like it is worth it... any thoughts or suggestions?

[lordmorpheus72]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

Yikes! You definitely had it a lot worse than I did. Thankfully -- well, for me; not for you, really.

The worst of it was when they started bashing Christian rock and metal, really anything that wasn't a hymn or gospel. Sad days. I have a friend who says he still has issues with people who don't think that Christian contemporary, rock, etc., is really Christian music... but I still rock out to Stryper now and then!

[AaronJ]

Originally Posted by lordmorpheus72

The worst of it was when they started bashing Christian rock and metal, really anything that wasn't a hymn or gospel. Sad days. I have a friend who says he still has issues with people who don't think that Christian contemporary, rock, etc., is really Christian music... but I still rock out to Stryper now and then!

You gotta rock your groove, man.

As to Heaven's Gate, I wish I could help. But alas, I've never managed to see it.

[jayembee]

Originally Posted by MifuneFan

We've seriously gotten to a point where we're linking human evolution to adapting to 3D movies

Who's to say that it won't eventually prove to be a useful tool?

[lordmorpheus72]

Originally Posted by AaronJ

You gotta rock your groove, man.

As to Heaven's Gate, I wish I could help. But alas, I've never managed to see it.

Thanks man, I'm sure I'll end up giving it a shot.