The Criterion Collection

[bwdowiak]

Originally Posted by SkyAntoine

Thrillers and horror films can be close, but horror, to me, includes something supernatural. I would not consider Jaws a horror film although many do.

Interesting discussion, everyone.

what about Psycho then? there's no supernatural in that film.

[Polaroid]

hor·ror

1.
a. An intense, painful feeling of repugnance and fear.
b. A state or condition marked by this feeling: stood in horror looking at the scene. See Synonyms at fear.

2. An intense dislike or abhorrence: had a horror of being forced to play charades at the party.

3. A cause of horror: "The creature that had seemed a horror in its box was, up close, a figure of sorrow" (Paul Theroux).

4.
a. A genre of fiction or other artistic work evoking suspense and horror, especially through the depiction of gruesome or supernatural elements.
b. A work of this genre.

5. Informal One that is unpleasant, ugly, or disagreeable: That hat is a horror.

6. horrors Informal Intense nervous depression or anxiety. Often used with the.

or

1. extreme fear; terror; dread
2. intense loathing; hatred
3. (often plural) a thing or person causing fear, loathing, etc
4. (modifier) having a frightening subject, esp a supernatural one: a horror film.

I personally don't think a horror film HAS to have super natural themes or anything.

[The Great Owl]

Originally Posted by bwdowiak

what about Psycho then? there's no supernatural in that film.

Psycho is my personal favorite horror movie of all time. There's nothing supernatural in the film, but I do not feel that a horror movie has to have supernatural elements. A horror movie simply has to horrify me.

I'll go ahead and rock out with my top five horror films of all time...

1. Psycho (1960)
2. Alien (1979)
3. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
4. The Shining (1980)
5. Jaws (1975)

Ridley Scott's Alien is probably the closest that cinema has come to capturing the spirit of H.P. Lovecraft, in that it depicts a group of people who find an unspeakably terrifying entity that probably only scratches the surface when it comes to the unknown horrors that exist somewhere out there in the universe. It's a tremendous horror movie, as such.

I could have just as easily put the 1956 Don Siegel version of Invasion of the Body Snatchers on my above list, because I actually like it just as much as the 1978 version, but the 1978 version takes the edge when it comes to the visceral horror and the atmospherics.

Jaws is magnificent in terms of Spielberg's way of generating suspense. The shark is represented by a girl being pulled under the water, a bloody raft, a dragged tire from a dock, floating harpoon barrels, and such, but, when the big reveal comes late in the film, it matches and even exceeds our expectations.

The Shining...need I say more? This one is pretty self-explanatory, but Kubrick's ability to use brightly-lit settings to generate scares is amazing.

[pedromvu]

Originally Posted by bwdowiak

Interesting discussion, everyone.

what about Psycho then? there's no supernatural in that film.

Or what about Diabolique?

[bwdowiak]

Originally Posted by Polaroid

hor·ror

1.
a. An intense, painful feeling of repugnance and fear.
b. A state or condition marked by this feeling: stood in horror looking at the scene. See Synonyms at fear.

2. An intense dislike or abhorrence: had a horror of being forced to play charades at the party.

3. A cause of horror: "The creature that had seemed a horror in its box was, up close, a figure of sorrow" (Paul Theroux).

4.
a. A genre of fiction or other artistic work evoking suspense and horror, especially through the depiction of gruesome or supernatural elements.
b. A work of this genre.

5. Informal One that is unpleasant, ugly, or disagreeable: That hat is a horror.

6. horrors Informal Intense nervous depression or anxiety. Often used with the.

or

1. extreme fear; terror; dread
2. intense loathing; hatred
3. (often plural) a thing or person causing fear, loathing, etc
4. (modifier) having a frightening subject, esp a supernatural one: a horror film.

I personally don't think a horror film HAS to have super natural themes or anything.

s**t, P... now I really can't wrap my head around this 'horror' thing. I've only got two things to add...

The Horror (Marlon Brando) - YouTube

[Polaroid]

What would say Antichrist is then :P? No real supernatural elements, but it does certainly fill the criteria for a horror :P

[SkyAntoine]

Originally Posted by bwdowiak

Interesting discussion, everyone.

what about Psycho then? there's no supernatural in that film.

Interesting...by my own definition, no.
However, I've always thought of it as a horror film because it has been labeled that way. In fact I'm trying to justify why it is a horror film, but by my definition it would be a physiological thriller.

[pedromvu]

Originally Posted by The Great Owl

Psycho is my personal favorite horror movie of all time. There's nothing supernatural in the film, but I do not feel that a horror movie has to have supernatural elements. A horror movie simply has to horrify me.

I'll go ahead and rock out with my top five horror films of all time...

1. Psycho (1960)
2. Alien (1979)
3. Invasion of the Body Snatchers (1978)
4. The Shining (1980)
5. Jaws (1975)

Great list.

Although I prefer the 1950's Body Snatchers version.

Also would Put Alien, and Psycho on my list along with:

Audition (now that I remember this genuinely scared me at some parts)
28 days later
The Birds
Peeping Tom
Rosemary's Baby
The Night of the Hunter

[Polaroid]

Originally Posted by pedromvu

Great list.

Although I prefer the 1950's Body Snatcher version.

Also would Put Alien, and Psycho on my list along with:

Audition (now that I remember this genuinely scared me at some parts)
28 days later
The Birds
Peeping Tom
Rosemary's Baby
The Night of the Hunter

Audition is brutal! Nice pick!

[joie]

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

A truly scary horror film to me has to have scenes that genuinely creep me out to the point where I consider covering my eyes or turning the TV off.
[...]

Only "Oldboy" gets me to cover my eyes -- the dental work scene. But I wouldn't classify it a horror movie just because I don't want to see that scene.

[Polaroid]

Its bugs me because horror film never affect me - I adore them and its one of my fave genres, but it annoys me I never feel the fear and anxiety that others get when they watch them lol

It's so frustrating >.< I want to be terrified - its weird though because if I was playing a horror game I would be tense, worries, anxious etc etc but films have no affect on me on that level I can watch anything haha.

[pedromvu]

Originally Posted by Polaroid

Its bugs me because horror film never affect me - I adore them and its one of my fave genres, but it annoys me I never feel the fear and anxiety that others get when they watch them lol

It's so frustrating >.< I want to be terrified - its weird though because if I was playing a horror game I would be tense, worries, anxious etc etc but films have no affect on me on that level I can watch anything haha.

Most modern supernatural horror films always seem to use the same tricks to try to scare you, so when you go fully knowing the type of film you will see, it is even harder to get surprised, that is why I mostly don't bother to see most of them, I gave up.

The best horror films for me are always when there are other genres mixed in.

As for me the only parts where I need to close my eyes is when there is any kind of real Animal cruelty on the screen, Walkabout comes to my mind.

[Polaroid]

Originally Posted by pedromvu

Most modern supernatural horror films always seem to use the same tricks to try to scare you, so when you go fully knowing the type of film you will see, it is even harder to get surprised, that is why I mostly don't bother to see most of them, I gave up.

The best horror films for me are always when there are other genres mixed in.

Oh yeah I cant stand these modern horrors, they recycle so many things and it gets so boring, they seem to rely on jump scares, CGI and other poor ways to scare us. They just end up feeling stagnant and dull.

I will add with some films like Sinister, I did find the home made film featured in the film quite terrifying and haunting - but the rest of the film was a huge mess and ruined it.

I do try films before I give my opinion but some films like Insidious just put me to sleep and thats a rare thing to happen to me lol, its just corny and dare I say, lame.

I can't think of any recent horrors that have affected me at all, or been suck in my head. I am excited to try The Witch, heard great things and look great. Not sure why its so hard for filmmakers to make decent horrors nowadays, there have been so many successful horrors so no idea why this genre is becoming so poor.

No film (well horror) has affected me like Antichrist though, the dread and doom I feel when watching and discussing it, even listening to the beautiful Lascia chi's ping feels me with dread. Its such an emotional and powerful film yet so beautiful.

One worth mentioning though is A Tale of Two Sisters - INCREDIBLE film, and as you said it isn't just a horror it has so many layers and other genres tied into it. Same can be said for Oldboy and I Saw the Devil I guess!

Oh I forgot to mention Begotten! - now that is a horrifying film. Gah now I started I can't stop, Tetsuo is another great one lol (stop me now please@!!)

Begotten Trailer - YouTube

Gotta love 144p!

And this definitely isn't a horror but some of the scenes are pretty eery and creepy!

"Decasia" Trailer - YouTube

and

Tetsuo: The Iron Man trailer - YouTube

sorry! lol I get a bit too passionate!

[pedromvu]

Originally Posted by Polaroid

One worth mentioning though is A Tale of Two Sisters - INCREDIBLE film, and as you said it isn't just a horror it has so many layers and other genres tied into it. Same can be said for Oldboy and I Saw the Devil I guess!

Oh I forgot to mention Begotten! - now that is a horrifying film. Gah now I started I can't stop, Tetsuo is another great one lol (stop me now please@!!)

Oh I forgot that film, I loved A Tale of Two Sisters, too bad it doesn't have a proper release, it seems the one on UK sucks, and is not yet released on US, I guess I will need to do some research on the tons of Korean releases , will check the others at some point.

[Polaroid]

Originally Posted by pedromvu

Oh I forgot that film, I loved A Tale of Two Sister, too bad it doesn't have a proper release, it seems the one on UK sucks, and is not yet released on US, I guess I will need to do some research on the tons of Korean releases , will check the others at some point.

Have you seen the remake 'The Uninvited' it makes me laugh so hard how they can ruin such an incredible film lol I can't believe they could even screw up so bad lol.

I think there is a decentish Korean release on bluray but its pretty pricey

[D2Girls]

what are some good horror movies on the criterion collection label

[Ray Jackson]

Perhaps there's a distinction to be made between "scary" movies and "horror" movies?

All scary movies are horror movies, but not all horror movies are scary movies.

...at least that's how I see it.

[Polaroid]

Originally Posted by D2Girls

what are some good horror movies on the criterion collection label

https://www.criterion.com/explore/119-scary-movies

https://www.criterion.com/explore/1-cult-movies

Originally Posted by Ray Jackson

Perhaps there's a distinction to be made between "scary" movies and "horror" movies?

All scary movies are horror movies, but not all horror movies are scary movies.

...at least that's how I see it.

Yeah its easy to get them mixed I guess - I forget this tbh, then again Antichrist is horrifying yet it isn't scary, and I know it, I'm just forgetful lol

[filmmusic]

Any predictions for Tuesday?
I just remembered that besides new releases or upgrades that are in my wishlist, I would love a standalone edition of Brief Encounter too.

[Polaroid]

Originally Posted by filmmusic

Any predictions for Tuesday?
I just remembered that besides new releases or upgrades that are in my wishlist, I would love a standalone edition of Brief Encounter too.

Hopefully The New World :]