The Criterion Collection

[#Darren]

America Lost and Found: The BBS Story

http://www.criterion.com/boxsets/769...-the-bbs-story

[P@t_Mtl]

The review of Tokyo Story from BFI make's me cry, why it's not a region free release?


Ah well! Soon I hope

[ccfixx]

Originally Posted by iDarren

America Lost and Found: The BBS Story

http://www.criterion.com/boxsets/769...-the-bbs-story

Woohoo! You're only 4 days late, iDarren.

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[#Darren]

I checked back a few pages to see if it was mentioned. Should have checked a few more

Originally Posted by ccfixx

Woohoo! You're only 4 days late, iDarren.

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[ccfixx]

Originally Posted by iDarren

I checked back a few pages to see if it was mentioned. Should have checked a few more

Hahaha. Yeah, on announcement day, which was on Monday this month, the pages fill up quickly.

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[ShellOilJunior]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

The review of Tokyo Story from BFI make's me cry, why it's not a region free release?


Ah well! Soon I hope

Thank the lord Psycho is

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by lDlisturb3d

one question arent all the big classic films, including Criterion films in the top 250???? I thought so, so whats the fuss.

Is Vivre sa vie, Five Easy Pieces, A Woman Under The Influence, The Passion of Joan of Arc, Rebel Without A Cause in the top 250? NO.

But guess what is? Inception is the #3 film of all time. Why you ask? Does it have to do with it being popular because:

it's in the now.
a studio is shelling out money to promote it all over our T.V.s, when no one promotes independent films. Show me an independent film in the top 10.
It's mainstream America.
HYPE!

Does anyone expect me to believe the "greatest movies of all time" was all made 1970-present day with most being from the 90's and 2000's Hollywood?

Here is when you know something is wrong. Why is a Tarantino movie ranked higher than any Godard film? That's like saying Lady Gaga is better than David Bowie.

[ccfixx]

"Kick his a$$, Sea Bass!"

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[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by ccfixx

"Kick his a$$, Sea Bass!"

CC

I would put that movie ahead of Shawshank.

[reallyagi]

I think movies should be categorized in and of themselves. You can compare similar movies, but what's the point of clumping them all together in a meaningless list. What's the point of saying Godard is better than Nolan? (just an example) Godard is Godard, Nolan is Nolan. Hollywood blockbusters will always rank higher in many lists because they have a huge audience.

[SpiderBaby]

See, I knew I didn't need a facebook. Someone on there asked Criterion to release Dennis Hopper's the Last Movie. Atleast someone else is thinking out there.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by reallyagi

I think movies should be categorized in and of themselves. You can compare similar movies, but what's the point of clumping them all together in a meaningless list. What's the point of saying Godard is better than Nolan? (just an example) Godard is Godard, Nolan is Nolan. Hollywood blockbusters will always rank higher in many lists because they have a huge audience.

I was already on that last night:

Also, how do you go about "ranking" films? How can you tell what is better between a gangster film and a war film for example?

[Xerios]

Originally Posted by lDlisturb3d

Lol probably not, but i have a disorder, i wanted the Criterion version only because i wanted to add it to my Criterion Collection. In addition im not a fan of renting, all my movies ive seen before or just straight up blind bought it.

this..

Originally Posted by lDlisturb3d

CCfix, Criterion has shown me a different side of cinema so im all about supporting them!

and this...

some people just dont get us lDlisturb3d....

i have 8 criterion films (plan on owning them all at somepoint)... i have enough faith that they wont release a garbage title.. and although it might not be my cup of tea or perfect genre film... i will always find the good in a picture...

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

Let me get this straight...........

you all base films from what you read and how they are "ranked" on IMDB?

So with that being said, The Shawshank Redemption should be the best movie ever made right? Heck, if I had a top 250, let's just say The Shawshank Redemption wouldn't even be in my top 500.

I'm not trying to judge you all and your tastes. Just trying to see why IMDB is reliable when every new summer blockbuster is always in the top 5. It's rankings are based off of hype and popularity. All but 2 of the top 15 are Hollywood films. HMMMMM, wonder why that is!?! And the other 2, just 2 of the most popular films ever (The Good The Bad & The Ugly, and Seven Samurai).

Oh and for the ones who will prob say "CG, if they are not good movies, all those people wouldn't have ranked it that high". My response is "top lists of all time" is crap. The only way I would take a list at value is if the rankers have seen EVERY SINGLE FILM EVER MADE, so no popularity will play a role in the list. Also, how do you go about "ranking" films? How can you tell what is better between a gangster film and a war film for example?

I could say lists is a starting point, but don't get caught up into the hype and popularity. Like what you like. Not what people say is the be-all of movies.

Actually no, nobody was saying that. It's just one of many tools. If you don't go by reviews how do you determine what films to watch? Reading forums like this one? I fail to see how that's any betetr than IMDB. There really is no good way of determining what films to watch or buy. You have no clue until you watch it.

[neo_reloaded]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

Is Vivre sa vie, Five Easy Pieces, A Woman Under The Influence, The Passion of Joan of Arc, Rebel Without A Cause in the top 250? NO.

But guess what is? Inception is the #3 film of all time. Why you ask? Does it have to do with it being popular because:

it's in the now.
a studio is shelling out money to promote it all over our T.V.s, when no one promotes independent films. Show me an independent film in the top 10.
It's mainstream America.
HYPE!

Does anyone expect me to believe the "greatest movies of all time" was all made 1970-present day with most being from the 90's and 2000's Hollywood?

Here is when you know something is wrong. Why is a Tarantino movie ranked higher than any Godard film? That's like saying Lady Gaga is better than David Bowie.

Are you this annoying about this topic whenever anyone mentions movie lists? I feel I've seen this exact argument from you 3 to 4 times in the past couple months alone.

You're the only one who seems to treat these movie lists as "end-all, be-all" entities. Sure, if people really did view them that way, then hey, maybe I'd understand your constant outrage. But they don't. It's a fun little exercise in ranking their personal favorites. And for IMDB, it's not even like people say "OK, this is my #1, this is my #2" - it's all based on ratings people give to individual movies. So when a new movie comes out and gets people excited, they all go rank it a 10 because they love it in the here and now. That causes it to shoot up the list. Over time, the ranking comes back to reality (at least reality within the context of mainstream movie opinions). Are they wrong to rank a new movie a 10? If they like it, who's to say they shouldn't? It's not like anyone looks at this list and goes "Hmmm, it would appear Inception is objectively the 3rd best movie of all kind - IMDB's rankings are an authoritative source, so it must be true!" Only you are implying that. Everyone else goes "Hmm, guess people love that Inception, maybe I'll check it out" and that's the end of it.

And if your argument is just "Why aren't non-mainstream films up there" - well, um, it's cause the list is made up predominantly of mainstream opinions. If IMDB hard-coded in Pierrot le fou as #2 for awhile, maybe it would get some more people to check it out - but I don't think it would do anything to affect the movie's prevailing mainstream opinion. The majority of people would watch it, say "What the hell was that" and move on.

I know you get off on the whole anti-mainstream thing, but please at least stop being surprised and outraged that mainstream rankings conform to mainstream opinions.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Are you this annoying about this topic whenever anyone mentions movie lists? I feel I've seen this exact argument from you 3 to 4 times in the past couple months alone.

You're the only one who seems to treat these movie lists as "end-all, be-all" entities. Sure, if people really did view them that way, then hey, maybe I'd understand your constant outrage. But they don't. It's a fun little exercise in ranking their personal favorites. And for IMDB, it's not even like people say "OK, this is my #1, this is my #2" - it's all based on ratings people give to individual movies. So when a new movie comes out and gets people excited, they all go rank it a 10 because they love it in the here and now. That causes it to shoot up the list. Over time, the ranking comes back to reality (at least reality within the context of mainstream movie opinions). Are they wrong to rank a new movie a 10? If they like it, who's to say they shouldn't? It's not like anyone looks at this list and goes "Hmmm, it would appear Inception is objectively the 3rd best movie of all kind - IMDB's rankings are an authoritative source, so it must be true!" Only you are implying that. Everyone else goes "Hmm, guess people love that Inception, maybe I'll check it out" and that's the end of it.

And if your argument is just "Why aren't non-mainstream films up there" - well, um, it's cause the list is made up predominantly of mainstream opinions. If IMDB hard-coded in Pierrot le fou as #2 for awhile, maybe it would get some more people to check it out - but I don't think it would do anything to affect the movie's prevailing mainstream opinion. The majority of people would watch it, say "What the hell was that" and move on.

I know you get off on the whole anti-mainstream thing, but please at least stop being surprised and outraged that mainstream rankings conform to mainstream opinions.

I'm sure there are film snob websites out there that have Godard films among the best of all-time, but mainstream sites like IMBD won't. I wouldn't put any of those 5 films CG lists in my top 250 so I agree with the IMBD ratings there.

[johndoyle123]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Are you this annoying about this topic whenever anyone mentions movie lists? I feel I've seen this exact argument from you 3 to 4 times in the past couple months alone.

You're the only one who seems to treat these movie lists as "end-all, be-all" entities. Sure, if people really did view them that way, then hey, maybe I'd understand your constant outrage. But they don't. It's a fun little exercise in ranking their personal favorites. And for IMDB, it's not even like people say "OK, this is my #1, this is my #2" - it's all based on ratings people give to individual movies. So when a new movie comes out and gets people excited, they all go rank it a 10 because they love it in the here and now. That causes it to shoot up the list. Over time, the ranking comes back to reality (at least reality within the context of mainstream movie opinions). Are they wrong to rank a new movie a 10? If they like it, who's to say they shouldn't? It's not like anyone looks at this list and goes "Hmmm, it would appear Inception is objectively the 3rd best movie of all kind - IMDB's rankings are an authoritative source, so it must be true!" Only you are implying that. Everyone else goes "Hmm, guess people love that Inception, maybe I'll check it out" and that's the end of it.

And if your argument is just "Why aren't non-mainstream films up there" - well, um, it's cause the list is made up predominantly of mainstream opinions. If IMDB hard-coded in Pierrot le fou as #2 for awhile, maybe it would get some more people to check it out - but I don't think it would do anything to affect the movie's prevailing mainstream opinion. The majority of people would watch it, say "What the hell was that" and move on.

I know you get off on the whole anti-mainstream thing, but please at least stop being surprised and outraged that mainstream rankings conform to mainstream opinions.

rebel without a cause should be on there

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by ChadFL

I wouldn't put any of those 5 films CG lists in my top 250 so I agree with the IMBD ratings there.

I'm sure you would put Little Miss Sunshine ahead of Rebel Without A Cause.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by neo_reloaded

Are you this annoying about this topic whenever anyone mentions movie lists? I feel I've seen this exact argument from you 3 to 4 times in the past couple months alone.

You're the only one who seems to treat these movie lists as "end-all, be-all" entities. Sure, if people really did view them that way, then hey, maybe I'd understand your constant outrage. But they don't. It's a fun little exercise in ranking their personal favorites. And for IMDB, it's not even like people say "OK, this is my #1, this is my #2" - it's all based on ratings people give to individual movies. So when a new movie comes out and gets people excited, they all go rank it a 10 because they love it in the here and now. That causes it to shoot up the list. Over time, the ranking comes back to reality (at least reality within the context of mainstream movie opinions). Are they wrong to rank a new movie a 10? If they like it, who's to say they shouldn't? It's not like anyone looks at this list and goes "Hmmm, it would appear Inception is objectively the 3rd best movie of all kind - IMDB's rankings are an authoritative source, so it must be true!" Only you are implying that. Everyone else goes "Hmm, guess people love that Inception, maybe I'll check it out" and that's the end of it.

And if your argument is just "Why aren't non-mainstream films up there" - well, um, it's cause the list is made up predominantly of mainstream opinions. If IMDB hard-coded in Pierrot le fou as #2 for awhile, maybe it would get some more people to check it out - but I don't think it would do anything to affect the movie's prevailing mainstream opinion. The majority of people would watch it, say "What the hell was that" and move on.

I know you get off on the whole anti-mainstream thing, but please at least stop being surprised and outraged that mainstream rankings conform to mainstream opinions.

First, if I'm annoying, don't respond. I didn't start this IMDB topic on the Criterion thread.

2nd, You're right. People are excited for new movies and rank them a 10. But why have a top 250 then? It's obviously there to "rank" films. That way, that site is telling me that Inception is the 3rd best film in members eyes. Why not 4 or 5 or 500? No, it has to be better than #4 to have it at #3. It's a joke. I know it's a joke.

3rd, it's not just about "non-mainstream" films. I did list Five Easy Pieces and Rebel Without a Cause not being in the top 250, but every Pirates movie and Tarantino film looks to be.

And, "I know you get off on the whole anti-mainstream thing". Ha. Buddy this is like Night Vs Day with this crap. People can call me a film snob, but those people will "get off" on Will Smith all day and are more worried about film packaging (what's up Chad!). So it's opinions.

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

First, if I'm annoying, don't respond. I didn't start this IMDB topic on the Criterion thread.

2nd, You're right. People are excited for new movies and rank them a 10. But why have a top 250 then? It's obviously there to "rank" films. That way, that site is telling me that Inception is the 3rd best film in members eyes. Why not 4 or 5 or 500? No, it has to be better than #4 to have it at #3. It's a joke. I know it's a joke.

3rd, it's not just about "non-mainstream" films. I did list Five Easy Pieces and Rebel Without a Cause not being in the top 250, but every Pirates movie and Tarantino film looks to be.

And, "I know you get off on the whole anti-mainstream thing". Ha. Buddy this is like Night Vs Day with this crap. People can call me a film snob, but those people will get off on Will Smith all day. So it's opinions.

Depends on how you think top 250 lists should be decided. Personally I take IMDB lists with their many thousands or ordinary people submitting reviews much more seriously than polls done based on what maybe 100 crusty old movie critic guys think. And so do most movie goers.