The Criterion Collection

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by neo78956

If this were twitter, I would have retweeted the hell out of that. QFT for now

Thanks.

[jcs913]

I am going to chime in and say that the frankly, users that think these films do not deserve high ratings, have never seen them before they came to BD. Films are rated on their previous examples at times and most of the CC collection has had a previous version somewhere released. Newer films, that do not have a previous release, are generally judged by what was seen on the big screen. Perspective needs to be brought to the table at times.

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by jcs913

I am going to chime in and say that the frankly, users that think these films do not deserve high ratings, have never seen them before they came to BD. Films are rated on their previous examples at times and most of the CC collection has had a previous version somewhere released. Newer films, that do not have a previous release, are generally judged by what was seen on the big screen. Perspective needs to be brought to the table at times.

Absolutely. Very well said!

In fact, this is the very reason why Criterion are one of the best distributors in North America - it is not because they repeatedly manage to meet some miraculous standards; it is because their team of professionals consistently takes into consideration a variety of different factors allowing them to produce transfers that replicate as best as possible the (best) element that is available to work with.

It is very unfortunate to see that there are people out there who do not understand the limitations a release such as Stagecoach has, or Yojimbo, and grasp the concept that a reviewer cannot approach the two releases mentioned above with the same mindset and expectations as he/she would approach Avatar or Toy Story.

As jcs913 writes above, perspective definitely needs to be brought to the table.

Pro-B

[Juiceboxjerry]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

Absolutely. Very well said!

In fact, this is the very reason why Criterion are one of the best distributors in North America - it is not because they repeatedly manage to meet some miraculous standards; it is because their team of professionals consistently takes into consideration a variety of different factors allowing them to produce transfers that replicate as best as possible the (best) element that is available to work with.

It is very unfortunate to see that there are people out there who do not understand the limitations a release such as Stagecoach has, or Yojimbo, and grasp the concept that a reviewer cannot approach the two releases mentioned above with the same mindset and expectations as he/she would approach Avatar or Toy Story.

As jcs913 writes above, perspective definitely needs to be brought to the table.

Pro-B

Hey, since we got you in here, any news on when we'll see a Breathless review (or even The Thin Red Line for that matter)? Love the reviews, keep up the great work

[pro-bassoonist]

Originally Posted by Juiceboxjerry

Hey, since we got you in here, any news on when we'll see a Breathless review (or even a Thin Red Line review for that matter)? Love the reviews, keep up the great work

There was a technical delay with Breathless - not on my end - but I am told that the disc is in transit. The Thin Red Line will be up late tomorrow night.

Pro-B

[Juiceboxjerry]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

There was a technical delay with Breathless - not on my end - but I am told that the disc is in transit. The Thin Red Line will be up late tomorrow night.

Pro-B

Thanks

Really looking forward to that Thin Red Line review also, it's gotta be great.

[ShellOilJunior]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

There was a technical delay with Breathless - not on my end - but I am told that the disc is in transit. The Thin Red Line will be up late tomorrow night.

Pro-B

Ohhh, my, can't wait to see what CC did with The Thin Red Line

[the sordid sentinel]

I anxious to read the The Thin Red Line review as well. I really wish Criterion had the rights to 3 of my favorites from the 80's: Thief, At Close Range and The Mosquito Coast. They all got absolute crap treatment on DVD.

[Juiceboxjerry]

Originally Posted by dawgdaze37

I anxious to read the The Thin Red Line review as well. I really wish Criterion had the rights to 3 of my favorites from the 80's: Thief, At Close Range and The Mosquito Coast. They all got absolute crap treatment on DVD.

Thief is great. I'd love to see that movie get some sort of Blu release. Or even another old school James Caan movie, The Gambler.

[SpiderBaby]

Off-topic:

Anybody see this Lou Reed/Susan Boyle crap around the news?

It's funny reading comments on articles around the web. All these "Boyle" fans (media zombies/talent show lovers) are bashing Reed, saying things like "Never heard of him, but he can't sing and Boyle can out sing him!". Yes, she can "out sing him"! Who cares. Sounds like he can "out write" her if she cries because she can't use someone else's art.

For one thing, why do people think Lou Reed songs are great to sing on talent shows? Do they even know wtf his songs are about? It's like putting Walk on the Wild Side on the radio all over again.

And why does non-educated people open there mouths bashing someone like Reed, when they never heard of him and are praising a talent show "15 mins of Fame" woman? This is just like films too. Do people not learn history and just believe music and films started after 1990 or something?

[Captain Morphus]

I anxious to read the The Thin Red Line review as well. I really wish Criterion had the rights to 3 of my favorites from the 80's: Thief, At Close Range and The Mosquito Coast. They all got absolute crap treatment on DVD.

Ditto. Thief needs an anamorphic transfer bad.

[Captain Morphus]

Originally Posted by dawgdaze37

I anxious to read the The Thin Red Line review as well. I really wish Criterion had the rights to 3 of my favorites from the 80's: Thief, At Close Range and The Mosquito Coast. They all got absolute crap treatment on DVD.

Ditto. Thief needs an anamorphic transfer stat.

[neo78956]

Originally Posted by pro-bassoonist

There was a technical delay with Breathless - not on my end - but I am told that the disc is in transit. The Thin Red Line will be up late tomorrow night.

Pro-B

Words can't really describe how excited I am for The Thin Red Line to finally be getting the proper home video treatment. Malick's films, TTRL in particular, were life-changing for me, and really altered my perception of cinema as a whole. Stoked to see the review tomorrow night!

[AlecEiffel]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

And why does non-educated people open there mouths bashing someone like Reed, when they never heard of him and are praising a talent show "15 mins of Fame" woman? This is just like films too. Do people not learn history and just believe music and films started after 1990 or something?

Yeah, why does they?

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by AlecEiffel

Yeah, why does they?

They sure "does" they!

[silentblu]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

Off-topic:

Anybody see this Lou Reed/Susan Boyle crap around the news?

It's funny reading comments on articles around the web. All these "Boyle" fans (media zombies/talent show lovers) are bashing Reed, saying things like "Never heard of him, but he can't sing and Boyle can out sing him!". Yes, she can "out sing him"! Who cares. Sounds like he can "out write" her if she cries because she can't use someone else's art.

For one thing, why do people think Lou Reed songs are great to sing on talent shows? Do they even know wtf his songs are about? It's like putting Walk on the Wild Side on the radio all over again.

And why does non-educated people open there mouths bashing someone like Reed, when they never heard of him and are praising a talent show "15 mins of Fame" woman? This is just like films too. Do people not learn history and just believe music and films started after 1990 or something?

I like the headlines, 'Lou Reed makes Susan Boyle cry' 'Lou Reed spoils Susan Boyle's Perfect Day.' I'm sure if the price was right he would allow it, although he did say he wasn't a fan. Maybe he heard her version of 'Wild Horses.'

[stobbart]

Originally Posted by jhiggy23

Thank you for proving my point. Just because a film is the best it's ever looked or accurately represents how it was intended to look, doesn't mean it automatically deserves the highest marks imaginable in technical ratings. According to your logic, Blair Witch deserves a perfect PQ and AQ rating simply because it looks and sounds how it was intended to, which is laughable.

The great thing about Criterion, as you point out, is they focus on making the films look and sound how they were intended. That's one thing I love about Criterion. Everlasting Moments, for example, is one of the best examples of a film looking exactly how it was supposed to look and the result is incredible. Paris, Texas, while looking and sounding better than ever and representing the intended look and sound of the film, doesn't mean it deserves high ratings. You have an apparent difficulty separating appreciation for restoration/film's intention and somewhat meaningless technical quality number ratings. They're distinct entities.

Thank you for showing us all here that a slick looking Transformers 2 movie is more deserving of a good PQ rating then a Carol Reed, Billy Wilder, Stanley Kubrick, Jim Jarmusche, Nagisa Oshima film that is mastered to the complete perfection as the way they wanted their films to look....where do you live? Ill buy you a midnight screening ticket to Harry Potter 7.1 for your great insight

[jacobb1313]

Originally Posted by jhiggy23

Thank you for proving my point. Just because a film is the best it's ever looked or accurately represents how it was intended to look, doesn't mean it automatically deserves the highest marks imaginable in technical ratings. According to your logic, Blair Witch deserves a perfect PQ and AQ rating simply because it looks and sounds how it was intended to, which is laughable.

The great thing about Criterion, as you point out, is they focus on making the films look and sound how they were intended. That's one thing I love about Criterion. Everlasting Moments, for example, is one of the best examples of a film looking exactly how it was supposed to look and the result is incredible. Paris, Texas, while looking and sounding better than ever and representing the intended look and sound of the film, doesn't mean it deserves high ratings. You have an apparent difficulty separating appreciation for restoration/film's intention and somewhat meaningless technical quality number ratings. They're distinct entities.

Anyone who can get 50+ year-old film stock, where every frame is potentially filled with artifacts and dirt and scratches, and could possibly catch on fire, and may, in fact, not run at the correct speed or miss a frame or contain the correct audio, to look and sound as good as their copy of The Third Man deserves high technical ratings - because it took a helluva lot of technical work.

[ShellOilJunior]

Breathless Review- Home Theater Forum

[Beta Man]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

Off-topic:

Yes.... this is very off-topic.... So let's leave it at this.... 1) I had no idea about this "news" until you mentioned it, and 2) why would anyone feel the need to defend Lou Reed to Susan Boyle fans