The Criterion Collection

[senseabove]

Originally Posted by MassiveMovieBuff

Im at a disadvantage here because I haven't seen FWWM but I know in my gut its not better than Drive. Thats just my opinion on it though

[Hoke Moseley]

Originally Posted by Rich Pure Doom

True, because one is so much better than the other.

Sure... and Seven Samurai is better than There's Something About Mary, but I don't really spend much of my time comparing the two.

[llj]

Random post--

I just realized the two I Am Curious... movies (should always be released together imo) have yet to be upgraded. I think they're important enough movies to should have gotten a blu-ray by now.

I'm glad Mad Men referenced it because not enough people realize that it was a really big deal when it first came out.

[Ray Jackson]

Originally Posted by malakaheso

They are glorified hangout movies bro featuring the who's who of hot young actors of the time

They are entertaining, but to claim they are deconstructivist works is a bit of a joke

Spoilers? C'mon!

You say one more negative thing about these historically accurate, deconstructivist treasures of American cinema and I'm going to give you my review of The Man From Snowy River.

Spoiler alert...

[Show spoiler]It STINKS!!!!

[Hoke Moseley]

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fZB0...ature=youtu.be

[scottpcusa]

Originally Posted by oildude

Here are my thoughts on Jean Renoir's The River that I wrote up almost two years ago.

Reading your write-up has made me want to watch The River so much that I just downloaded the Filmstruck App, created an account, set up a subscription, and will be watching it tonight after I attend a Broadway Series Preview event at the Opera House.

[Fabs]

Do we know if Ugetsu is a digipak?

[hoytereden]

Originally Posted by llj

Random post--

I just realized the two I Am Curious... movies (should always be released together imo) have yet to be upgraded. I think they're important enough movies to should have gotten a blu-ray by now.

I'm glad Mad Men referenced it because not enough people realize that it was a really big deal when it first came out.

I remember all the publicity it (Yellow) got because of the nudity and such. My friend and I went to see it for that very reason. (We were 18 and female nudity and sexual adventure films were mighty scarce in them thar days. ) Our expectations were very high going into the theater, but 2 hours later we emerged and......We Were Curious No Longer-Bored. I've since seen Yellow a couple of times on TCM and, of course, it wouldn't raise an eyebrow (or anything else!) these days and that makes it even more of a chore to sit through. After all these years I've still never seen Blue. You're right about them being important since this was when the Production Code was being challenged and films such as these were ones that brought it to an end.

[mja345]

I can't imagine the "I Am Curious" films selling particularly well on Blu. As important as they are to the annals of film, the films themselves are pretty dull. They don't have much rewatch value IMO.

[joy-division]

Originally Posted by Hoke Moseley

Sure... and Seven Samurai is better than There's Something About Mary

Are you sure about that?

[llj]

Originally Posted by mja345

I can't imagine the "I Am Curious" films selling particularly well on Blu. As important as they are to the annals of film, the films themselves are pretty dull. They don't have much rewatch value IMO.

Most people today don't know that though. Sales would obviously come from notoriety and reputation, rather than from those who have seen them before.

Personally, I think they have some cinematic value, if you don't go into them for the sex. There are some decent bouts of humor and avant garde gimmicks to, if not completely hold attention, then at least intrigue. Certainly, they are more "cultural phenomenon" films than actual masterpieces (sort of like Blair Witch Project was...sorry BW fans) but Vilgot Sjoman was actually a very noteworthy filmmaker and no amateur.

I've also read some impassioned arguments that Blue helps complete Yellow enough to redeem I Am Curious as being better than just another boring Euro nudie. Blue is also considered actually the better standalone film today. Of course, that's the one nobody went to see. Buried underneath both films, there is a good--possibly great--SINGLE film about Swedish politics, culture and sexuality in there. Maybe if it were ACTUALLY edited by Godard...

[Hoke Moseley]

Originally Posted by joy-division

Are you sure about that?

Not really, tbh. Love them both quite a bit for very different reasons.

[postmodel]

Did anyone here put money toward the David Lynch doc? I had no idea it even had a kickstarter, but looking at comments on Criterion's page I see people are getting pretty annoyed since it's available for download, but they haven't received their copies yet.

I'd personally be annoyed especially if Criterion does release a sweet Blu-Ray for it and I threw in for a DVD....

But at the same time, their money did help it out so...

[joy-division]

My Ghost World has shipped Shame I won't be able to watch it

[Member-167298]

Originally Posted by joy-division

My Ghost World has shipped Shame I won't be able to watch it

Ever?!

[malakaheso]

Originally Posted by 20th Century Boy

I'm not sure how much you know about the events but if you're just of casual knowledge about The LCW I'm not sure how you'd know is and isn't deconstructionist. Not trying to sound snooty but it's a little annoying to read statements like that when I'm not sure you'd know what is deconstructionist about the script.

EDIT: I doubt anyone cares enough to back up their actual statements but we can continue in the YG thread if interested.

Snooty? This is Young Guns we are talking about! :-) I'll concede that I have perhaps forgotten many of the details--I was obsessed with Billy the Kid in my early teens--but I don't consider them as 'real' deconstructivist films at all because they just replace one myth with another. What you are talking about is just surface detail. Unless you are arguing that Young Guns 2 puts forward a relativist view of history, but even if that's the case, it's still far too wrapped up in mythologizing the events shown on screen in a non-ironic way.

As for the preference for Peckinpah, it isn't about the fact that it's 'older'. One is a real, although highly flawed, piece of cinema, the other two are just standard Hollywood films. Competently shot and directed, nothing more. Who cares if the stories are more 'accurate'? S.P doesn't care so much about giving a historical lesson. He is using the story as a springboard to reflect his usual concerns.

[jw007]

Originally Posted by SammyJankis

It's the best thing I'm watching on TV precisely because it is operating on a level that is so vastly different from what it surrounds. It doesn't care about the viewer's expectations, whether it be towards the original series or what conventional TV has become. It just throws you head first into the world of Lynch that feels like an accumulation of everything he has done. I thought Inland Empire was the film that he had been working towards his entire career, but this feels like it will be his peak (heh.) Its scope is so vast, dabbling in territory that resembles everything from Eraserhead to Mulholland Drive, while distinctly being post-Inland Lynch. It's undeniable that it will alienate and intrigue more as it progresses (never in my wildest dreams did I think I'd see something like the first 20 minutes of the third episode on television.) It's more for people tuning in for Lynch than it is for Twin Peaks. I hate myself for caving by watching rest on the app because this two week wait now is grueling.

Also, that box scene rivals Winkie's. Absolutely horrifying stuff.

I agree with everything you said.

I was impatient and prob. should have waited until the entire new Twin Peaks was finished airing, but instead I watched parts 1 and 2, and then the following night the 3rd and 4th episodes. It's not the wait that I don't like, but that I kind of forgot some of the characters from the original series and didn't even recognize them in some of these new episodes (aka James or the Shoe Salesman or Shelly the waitress). I was like "damn it, how did I not realize who those older folks were?!?". So I should have paced myself and re-watched the entire original Twin Peaks before diving head first into this. But I never got to experience the original series when it came out and never caught the show in syndication either. I only got to see the show because my brother bought it on Apple TV a few years ago, so I watched all the episodes in HD on the iTunes account.

Anyway, YES, those first 20 min. of episode 3 were something to behold. I couldn't believe the stuff I was witnessing. David Lynch never had a budget like this for the show and the production team and editors went all out with special effects. ABSOLUTELY INCREDIBLE. Lynch's vision came true to life unlike anything in his prior work. And the greatest thing is, this show is 18 hours long!!! It's one long movie where so much creativity and art can be put into it. There is so much breathing room unlike any 2 or 3 hour film he's made...he has so much artistic freedom now. This is going to rock.

AND YES, there is a TON OF Eraserhead in this new Twin Peaks. I feel like his revisiting some of the themes from Eraserhead has matured and blossomed into a mature and disturbing nightmare with some amazing characters combined in the new Twin Peaks. He took the insanity from that first feature film of his and combined it with familiar characters that we know and love and basically made this his magnum opus. It's still early, but I think this will go down as his greatest work of all time.

[Polaroid]

Originally Posted by postmodel

Did anyone here put money toward the David Lynch doc? I had no idea it even had a kickstarter, but looking at comments on Criterion's page I see people are getting pretty annoyed since it's available for download, but they haven't received their copies yet.

I'd personally be annoyed especially if Criterion does release a sweet Blu-Ray for it and I threw in for a DVD....

But at the same time, their money did help it out so...

Well that is the issue and risk of Kickstarter, you are NOT buying a product, you are contributing towards helping create the product, the end reward is just a reward it it isn't a product you are straight out paying for.

Many of these have this issue and some don't even give the rewards or create the product! I will never use Kickstarter for that reason tbh, too easy to con people out of money.

Shame but oh well

[zakzak]

Originally Posted by Rich Pure Doom

FWWM is about 8 million times the film that Drive is. Drive isn't even worthy of a Criterion.

But this one is?

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by zakzak

But this one is?

[Show spoiler]

Certainly more so than anything Terrence Malik did after Badlands.