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JoeBuck · 04-17-2018, 02:49 AM

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Originally Posted by malakaheso

Hah. Snobbery about a middlebrow Costner/Shelton film. Now I've heard it all!

We'll make a deal: i'll develop 'better taste in movies' and you start using your imagination a bit more.

Because if you think Bull Durham is worthy of inclusion over all of the other potential great films that could be in the Criterion Collection, I'd say you are more likely to have a problem with film appreciation than me.

I don't care about Bull Durham because I've never seen it, but no month with a 6 film Von Sternberg set and A Matter Of Life and Death and Dragon Inn can ever be called a worst month.

RCRochester · 04-17-2018, 02:52 AM

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Originally Posted by malakaheso

Hah. Snobbery about a middlebrow Costner/Shelton film. Now I've heard it all!

We'll make a deal: i'll develop 'better taste in movies' and you start using your imagination a bit more.

Because if you think Bull Durham is worthy of inclusion over all of the other potential great films that could be in the Criterion Collection, I'd say you are more likely to have a problem with film appreciation than me.

I realize that the Criterion Collection has developed a cult following whereby people feel that films must meet some sort of qualification standards in order to join the ranks but to me it’s just a label. They release films that appeal to a broad demographic of film fans, which is why they often release a foreign title, an art house title, a vintage studio film and something more recent and decidedly more commercial. Bull Durham received a lot of positive reviews when it was released and is really quite enjoyable and will probably enjoy stronger sales than some of the other titles announced today which is important from a business standpoint.

octagon · 04-17-2018, 02:58 AM

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Originally Posted by DaBargainHunta

Plus, didn't it essentially launch the careers of Susan Sarandon and Tim Robbins, while continuing the forward momentum of Costner's hot career trajectory at the time?

Are these pros or cons?

nitin · 04-17-2018, 02:58 AM

Yeah I read Joebuck’s comment not as a specific reply to just Bull Durham but as a reply to lumping that together with the Dietrich/Von Sternberg set and A Matter of Life and Death (which I don’t personally care for but I also realise that is a minority opinion and it is widely beloved).

AaronJ · 04-17-2018, 03:00 AM

Bull Durham is wonderful. Of course, it probably helps if one likes baseball to start with.

jshaide · 04-17-2018, 03:00 AM

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Originally Posted by nitin

Yeah I read Joebuck’s comment not as a specific reply to just Bull Durham but as a reply to lumping that together with the Dietrich/Von Sternberg set and A Matter of Life and Death (which I don’t personally care for but I also realise that is a minority opinion and it is widely beloved).

Totally. This month has a lot of what Criterion was when I first started following them.

malakaheso · 04-17-2018, 03:01 AM

^^He should have highlighted that specific comment then.

I stand by it. Compared to April and May I think it's weak.

Opinions and all that.

malakaheso · 04-17-2018, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by octagon

Are these pros or cons?

I was going to reply to his response, which I thought was perfectly fine btw, by saying two things:

1)Sports movies generally don't count among the greatest films ever made. How many sports films are highly rated? Not many.

2)Those actors, while good, haven't really been in truly important American films. Their best films are rather middling oscar films that are quickly forgotten years after their release. A case can be made for Thelma and Louise, and The Shawshank Redemption is popular, but I think you would struggle to argue that they were in great films when looked at from a historical perspective. i.e taking the whole of cinema into account.

Bull Durham is not Rocky, and I like Costner.

octagon · 04-17-2018, 03:03 AM

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Originally Posted by thatguamguy

It's the Sports Illustrated #1 Greatest Sports movie of all time which, depending on your point of view, is either exactly why it is worthy of inclusion in the Criterion Collection or exactly why it isn't.

I have no quarrel with Criterion going after the best sports movie of all time.

That movie is The Bad News Bears and they should get on that immediately.

And as long as they're going after great sports movies, Searching for Bobby Fischer would be pretty awesome too.

DaBargainHunta · 04-17-2018, 03:04 AM

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Originally Posted by octagon

Are these pros or cons?

I like all three actors.

Kevin Costner is awesome in A Perfect World, Mr. Brooks, and countless others I'm too tired to think of.

I need only mention Thelma and Louise for Susan Sarandon.

And Tim Robbins was in The Shawshank Redemption - 'nuff said.

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Originally Posted by malakaheso

2)Those actors, while good, haven't really been in truly important American films. Their best films are rather middling oscar films that are quickly forgotten years after their release.

And this, folks, is the kind of outrageous snobbery that gets this thread snickered at and tut-tutted in other parts of Blu-ray.com.

But...

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Originally Posted by malakaheso

Bull Durham is not Rocky.

I can't argue with this.

Rocky has had a million $5 Blu-ray releases and re-releases though, so I wouldn't waste a cent on a Criterion version.

jshaide · 04-17-2018, 03:07 AM

Also, I forgot to make this point about why BULL DURHAM is in the Criterion Collection:

Who gives a f**king sh*t? It’s a movie they released.

thatguamguy · 04-17-2018, 03:09 AM

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Originally Posted by octagon

And as long as they're going after great sports movies, Searching for Bobby Fischer would be pretty awesome too.

I don't know if chess is a sport, but certainly I would welcome a release of this film from whoever wants to put it out.

malakaheso · 04-17-2018, 03:12 AM

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Originally Posted by DaBargainHunta

And this, folks, is the kind of outrageous snobbery that gets this thread snickered at and tut-tutted in other parts of Blu-ray.com.

Whether it's 'outrageous snobbery' or not is beside the point. Is it true? or at least can a case be made? I believe it can. When was the last time you heard anyone talk about Bob Roberts or Dead Man Walking? Tim Robbins is irrelevant outside of The Shawkshank Redemption and Freeman was the real star of that one. Yeah he was in The Player, but that is credited to Altman. Nobody watches it for Tim Robbins.

Altman could just cast a puppet in that role.

Costner, on the other hand, was a big star from the late 80's until the mid 90's, yet again, how many of his films have really held up? I agree with you that A Perfect World is a very good film (I also really like Open Range) but it didn't really make much of an impact at the time and doesn't seem to be all that well regarded today. Dances With Wolves? It's probably more known now as the film that unjustly beat Goodfellas for best picture, and so on and so forth.

Even Thelma and Louise tends to be justified more on political grounds than aesthetic ones. i.e as a feminist film etc.

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Originally Posted by DaBargainHunta

Rocky has had a million $5 Blu-ray releases and re-releases though, so I wouldn't waste a cent on a Criterion version.

At least we can agree on that!

Gacivory · 04-17-2018, 03:14 AM

Woah! We coming for Tim Robbins now? I love Tim Robbins! I’ll take a Tim Robbins movie over a Kevin Costner film!

DaBargainHunta · 04-17-2018, 03:19 AM

Okay, let's pretend Tim Robbins had done nothing worthwhile other than The Shawshank Redemption. You know what? That's more than enough!

malakaheso · 04-17-2018, 03:21 AM

^^Hah. Ok. I have no interest in pursuing this further. We can leave it at that!

On another note, the Midnight Cowboy transfer sure looks strong. Now I'm waiting to see Mishima.

jshaide · 04-17-2018, 03:21 AM

Too many cool people getting thrown under the bus for no reason.

jshaide · 04-17-2018, 03:23 AM

I can’t wait for the world to explode when Criterion continues the Shelton vibe and releases HOLLYWOOD HOMICIDE.

“Oh but Harrison Ford sucks”
“John Harnett, who?”
“2003! Think of all the great 1903 films Criterion could release!”
“What the **** is HOLLYWOOD HOMICIDE?”

malakaheso · 04-17-2018, 03:25 AM

Any fans of Cobb here? On the subject of sports related films? ;-)

lol @ Hollywood Homicide. Total masterpiece!

belcherman · 04-17-2018, 03:30 AM

If we’re talking about Susan Sarandon, we really need to have Atlantic City in the collection. As for Bull Durham, I thought it was great when I saw it about 30 years ago. I haven’t decided if I need to own it, though. As for Kevin Costner, he more than earned his place in the collection with his performance in The Big Chill. Tim Robbins = Shawshank, nuff said.

Great announcements. Now I just have to save my pennies.

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04-17-2018, 02:58 AM	#175704
nitin Blu-ray Knight Top contributor Member since:Feb 2010 Trading Score:9	Yeah I read Joebuck’s comment not as a specific reply to just Bull Durham but as a reply to lumping that together with the Dietrich/Von Sternberg set and A Matter of Life and Death (which I don’t personally care for but I also realise that is a minority opinion and it is widely beloved).

04-17-2018, 03:00 AM	#175705
AaronJ Banned Member since:Jul 2013 Location:Michigan 4K collection:47 Blu-ray collection:624 Blu-ray reviews:2 Trading Score:1	Bull Durham is wonderful. Of course, it probably helps if one likes baseball to start with.

04-17-2018, 03:01 AM	#175707
malakaheso Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2013 Location:Melbourne, Australia 4K collection:103 Blu-ray collection:1057 DVD collection:293	^^He should have highlighted that specific comment then. I stand by it. Compared to April and May I think it's weak. Opinions and all that.

04-17-2018, 03:07 AM	#175711
jshaide Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jun 2014 Location:East Coast! 4K collection:217 Blu-ray collection:5920 DVD collection:669 Trading Score:14	Also, I forgot to make this point about why BULL DURHAM is in the Criterion Collection: Who gives a f*king sht? It’s a movie they released.

04-17-2018, 03:14 AM	#175714
Gacivory Blu-ray Archduke Top contributor Member since:Apr 2016 Location:Los Angeles, California 4K collection:1121 Blu-ray collection:5612 DVD collection:183 Digital collection:25 Trading Score:1	Woah! We coming for Tim Robbins now? I love Tim Robbins! I’ll take a Tim Robbins movie over a Kevin Costner film!

04-17-2018, 03:19 AM	#175715
DaBargainHunta Blu-ray Prince Top contributor Member since:May 2011 Location:Parts Unknown - because I blabbed about Mars! Blu-ray collection:- DVD collection:- Trading Score:30	Okay, let's pretend Tim Robbins had done nothing worthwhile other than The Shawshank Redemption. You know what? That's more than enough!

04-17-2018, 03:21 AM	#175716
malakaheso Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2013 Location:Melbourne, Australia 4K collection:103 Blu-ray collection:1057 DVD collection:293	^^Hah. Ok. I have no interest in pursuing this further. We can leave it at that! On another note, the Midnight Cowboy transfer sure looks strong. Now I'm waiting to see Mishima.

04-17-2018, 03:21 AM	#175717
jshaide Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jun 2014 Location:East Coast! 4K collection:217 Blu-ray collection:5920 DVD collection:669 Trading Score:14	Too many cool people getting thrown under the bus for no reason.

04-17-2018, 03:23 AM	#175718
jshaide Blu-ray Ninja Member since:Jun 2014 Location:East Coast! 4K collection:217 Blu-ray collection:5920 DVD collection:669 Trading Score:14	I can’t wait for the world to explode when Criterion continues the Shelton vibe and releases HOLLYWOOD HOMICIDE. “Oh but Harrison Ford sucks” “John Harnett, who?” “2003! Think of all the great 1903 films Criterion could release!” “What the **** is HOLLYWOOD HOMICIDE?”

04-17-2018, 03:25 AM	#175719
malakaheso Blu-ray Guru Member since:Oct 2013 Location:Melbourne, Australia 4K collection:103 Blu-ray collection:1057 DVD collection:293	Any fans of Cobb here? On the subject of sports related films? ;-) lol @ Hollywood Homicide. Total masterpiece!

04-17-2018, 03:30 AM	#175720
belcherman Blu-ray Samurai Member since:May 2013 Location:Eastern CT 4K collection:2 Blu-ray collection:1956 DVD collection:85 Digital collection:249 iTunes collection:2 Prime collection:1	If we’re talking about Susan Sarandon, we really need to have Atlantic City in the collection. As for Bull Durham, I thought it was great when I saw it about 30 years ago. I haven’t decided if I need to own it, though. As for Kevin Costner, he more than earned his place in the collection with his performance in The Big Chill. Tim Robbins = Shawshank, nuff said. Great announcements. Now I just have to save my pennies.

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