The Criterion Collection

[deadkidsean]

Originally Posted by kndy

If you guys love Charlotte Gainsbourg, I'm hoping KINO (who released it on DVD), Criterion or someone will release "Happily Ever After" on Blu-ray. It's an awesome French film that deals with relationships...especially from the male perspective. Hehe... The radiohead segment of "Creep" with her and Johnny Depp was just awesome! Hell, if you have Netflix...watch this film!!!

Love Charlotte and this sounds quite interesting. Thnx for the rec, kndy.

[keldons]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

Well for me, I'm not caught up in the Malick lovefest (I DO ENJOY his films though.). But I don't really understand the reason why you think people should love Days of Heaven.

I didn't say people should love it. I've just seen it come up numerous times when people ask "what should I buy?" and a lot of times Days of Heaven gets shot down. Just something I have observed.

[retablo]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

The Thin Red Line isn't popular? I'm not talking about just the person. If someone is liked because of a movie being nothing more than an alternate to Saving Private Ryan to some people (and I see that being true on alot of forums), then what credit is that?

I don't like it as an alternate to anything. But you assume that everyone who does only likes it as an alternate to Private Ryan?

First, since you are responding to a comment I made to another posters' "I don't understand why people don't like this movie" just to bring up Godard like you seem to always do with me, I'll say this:

He is my fav!

2nd, and the poster was clearly saying, he doesn't understand why a movie he loves isn't loved by everyone. I said it's because of taste. I did go off-topic on fame=best and yes, that does go to Godard too. You got me.I don't know what you won, but you did. I like a famous director in Godard. How dare I defend lesser known directors then!

3rd, the "but I'm sure you don't know every director either" is where your wrong. I am against lists and "best". So I don't need to know them all. If you put down lists of "best movies/directors" instead of "FAV movies/directors", then you better seen them all. And I haven't, so you have no room to talk down to me like that because I don't walk around with "Best lists" like so many on here do. There is a difference between Best and Fav.

Best - 1. Surpassing all others in excellence, achievement, or quality
Favorite - 1. One that is trusted, indulged, or preferred above all others

Semantics. But since favorite is an opinion, and best is also an opinion, they sorta equal the same thing.

But almost everytime anyone mentions anything on this board, you insert some comment about how Godard is better. So if someone's opinion shouldn't be held in account for what they like, or who they like, then why do you try to hammer Godard into people's lives? In fact, why is Godard so popular and revered? It was Melville who suggested the jump cuts to Godard in Breathless when Godard's film didn't cut together... which means he really didnt know what he was doing when he shot it. But alas, cinema history was made. Melville seems like the true visionary to me.

I'm not talking you down, I often enjoy your quotes, but its tiresome that you pretty much put down everyone else's tastes yet try to impart your own... whether or not he is your "fav", pretty much means you think he's the "best," or he really wouldn't be your favorite.

[Minimejer05]

Got my copy of Bottle Rocket today in the newer type case. Will be watching this for the first time tomorrow! I hope I enjoy it.

[The Theory]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

Inception is loved by millions (btw, I wonder if that has anything to do with him making The Dark Knight? Hmmm.)

Clever little thought... but I'll tell you why not. Most of the movie-going populace only gives a vague thought to director--if that. They don't follow a director the way film nerds tend to. Instead, they use 3 general criteria to spark their interest (one or any combination of): 1. Previews--if you catch their attention with a preview, then they'll remember it when the movie enters theaters. 2. Actors--People DO remember actors, probably because they actually appear on screen and the viewer connects with them in some way. 3. Word of Mouth--what people (especially their friends) are saying.

Inception was successful because of a combination of all three. It had the kick-ass preview, it has the A-list lead actor, and the word-of-mouth following was HUGE.

Being in the "film nerd" camp, I was fully aware that the guy responsible for The Dark Knight was also at the helm of Inception... although in my case I hate The Dark Knight with a fiery passion and almost didn't go to see it. Of course I was wrong and ended up loving Inception, just like millions of other Americans. (Although I initially loved The Dark Knight, too, and it was only on subsequent viewings I realized my hate... so I am open to changing my mind about this one, too.)

[blkhrt]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

I'm prob the biggest Ray fan on this forum. You should get Bigger Than Life ASAP. My fav film of his is hard to pick, but They Live By Night is always a fav of mine, and the first that pops in my head. And of course everyone should know Rebel Without a Cause and Johnny Guitar

I will definitely have to check They Live by Night out, thanks for the tip!

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by retablo

I'm not talking you down, I often enjoy your quotes, but its tiresome that you pretty much put down everyone else's tastes yet try to impart your own... whether or not he is your "fav", pretty much means you think he's the "best," or he really wouldn't be your favorite.

Well that depend's on the person. Of course I can't speak for everyone on this but if I take myself as a example. One of my favorite director is Lucas because well as anyone know so well I am a Star Wars nerd While him being a favorite of mine and me enjoying his movies (even his none Star Wars movies) I would never make a claim that he would be the best director. I can clearly see the difference and know very well that while I enjoy watching his movies they are far from being masterpieces. Maybe it is true that many people get blinded in their believe and their post. You can see it in so many threads in this forum alone. In 2008 the greatest movie ever was The Dark Knight, then Avatar came along and that is now the greatest movie ever. But you can also have the other side of it, those that like only the obscure for the sake of trying to be different from those who like only the popular things. You know like the kids in highschool who would listen to the most obscure, unknown musical group so that they can be different then the rest of the crowd.

I think that what is important is to enjoy what you enjoy, to try to watch other type of movies as well in order to see and learn different things. When you want to expand your movie range, well it's easier to asked suggestion here so that people can give you some idea or you do like I do, check out the description and add them to my rental list (safer then a blind buy for me). Will I ever stop watching Star Wars because of the ridicule I receive from them at time from certain "experts" (specialy since I like the prequels). Of course not! I enjoy them and I truly don't care what they have to say about it. I can enjoy Attack Of The Clones and then watch Sunrise or Metropolis or Godard after. One for me does not prevent the other.

As for CG, I don't think he is really that bad or different. He just don't like the popular stuff and he is like me in the sense that he dislike lists and top ten. Just because everyone is saying that Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever does not make it so for me. I know that one can say "well these are movie expert, they sure know more then I do" and I say yes true they know more about movies then I do. I still see it as their choice and it still does not make it that I have to agree with what they say. Only difference is that CG express things a lot more better then I do since my limited English writings skills can't rival some of you. Movie are an art form and as such they are extremely subjective IMO. You may for example enjoy looking at the painting of Picasso, me I would rather watch paint dry on a wall then look at his painting. Movies are the same thing. Some people enjoy Inception and other prefer Transformers.

Sorry retablo wasn't picking on you, just started replying to your question in your post and then went on into something else

[P@t_Mtl]

Originally Posted by The Theory

Clever little thought... but I'll tell you why not. Most of the movie-going populace only gives a vague thought to director--if that. They don't follow a director the way film nerds tend to. Instead, they use 3 general criteria to spark their interest (one or any combination of): 1. Previews--if you catch their attention with a preview, then they'll remember it when the movie enters theaters. 2. Actors--People DO remember actors, probably because they actually appear on screen and the viewer connects with them in some way. 3. Word of Mouth--what people (especially their friends) are saying.

Inception was successful because of a combination of all three. It had the kick-ass preview, it has the A-list lead actor, and the word-of-mouth following was HUGE.

Being in the "film nerd" camp, I was fully aware that the guy responsible for The Dark Knight was also at the helm of Inception... although in my case I hate The Dark Knight with a fiery passion and almost didn't go to see it. Of course I was wrong and ended up loving Inception, just like millions of other Americans. (Although I initially loved The Dark Knight, too, and it was only on subsequent viewings I realized my hate... so I am open to changing my mind about this one, too.)

I think you are very spot on. We here know more about directors because of how movies are important to us. In fact I think directors sometimes hold more importance to so many of us then the actors.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by catch_33

CG likes to play the favourite vs. best argument because he can't defend why he likes something apart from the fact that others don't.

We can all play that game! Tommy Wisseau's 'The Room' is good because I like it. DISCUSS.

Fav = your personal fav.

Best = is when you believe someone or something is the best. In which you would have to have seen everything to make that claim.

How hard is that to figure out? Let's just talk trash about me because I can't figure it out.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

As for CG, I don't think he is really that bad or different. He just don't like the popular stuff and he is like me in the sense that he dislike lists and top ten. Just because everyone is saying that Citizen Kane is the greatest movie ever does not make it so for me. I know that one can say "well these are movie expert, they sure know more then I do" and I say yes true they know more about movies then I do. I still see it as their choice and it still does not make it that I have to agree with what they say. Only difference is that CG express things a lot more better then I do since my limited English writings skills can't rival some of you. Movie are an art form and as such they are extremely subjective IMO. You may for example enjoy looking at the painting of Picasso, me I would rather watch paint dry on a wall then look at his painting. Movies are the same thing. Some people enjoy Inception and other prefer Transformers.

Sorry retablo wasn't picking on you, just started replying to your question in your post and then went on into something else

Thanks. And retablo, I never try to put down someone's taste and force Godard. I just do what everyone else does.

you know,

"I want more Kurosawa! He is the best!"

"I don't understand Pierrot le fou, so it sucks! My head hurts!"

"I want Brazil!"


Believe it or not, alot of people on here never even heard of Godard before they started this blu-ray collecting, as many other directors they just learned about. I just see it as, since you all are getting all this Kurosawa love from everywhere, why not spread the Godard love, since I am only one person doing it. Unless you think, he isn't one of the "best" with samurai king?

I see alot of put downs of Godard (taste maybe?), yet I'm a bad guy if I put down Kurosawa? I really don't know where this went into a Godard topic, maybe because I like him, so someone had to bring him up, but this whole thing started with Days of Heaven.

But next I'll prob have to defend why I like Buster Keaton more than Chaplin.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by blkhrt

I will definitely have to check They Live by Night out, thanks for the tip!

You're welcome.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by reallyagi

Academy Award winner, Jean-Luc Godard.
Oh, how mainstream have you gotten!
You've become everything you've ever hated...

I will not accept the fact that there is an award that Godard will not accept.

I know we are joking, but let me talk about this before it gets out of hand,

I like Hollywood movies. No, I LOVE Hollywood movies. Some of my "FAVS" are Hollywood movies. This concept that I hate Hollywood movies is silly.

I hate the Hollywood system. I hate the direction Hollywood has taken ever since they handed the keys over to Spielberg (It's a joke guys, Hollywood doesn't have a set of keys that controls it. OR DOES IT?). The remakes, the reboots, the 3Ds, the manipulative emotional movies (that has always been there). But to say I hate Hollywood, is not knowing what I really don't like.

[McCrutchy]

Originally Posted by CassavetesGodard

movie>Criterion.

Yeah, but if you have MEW money, there's no reason not to have the BD...except ignorance.

[SpiderBaby]

Originally Posted by McCrutchy

Yeah, but if you have MEW money, there's no reason not to have the BD...except ignorance.

yeah. She could of watched a friend's copy of the movie though. She has enough money she can buy the entire collection.

[kinoeye]

Originally Posted by catch_33

CG likes to play the favourite vs. best argument because he can't defend why he likes something apart from the fact that others don't.

We can all play that game! Tommy Wisseau's 'The Room' is good because I like it. DISCUSS.

Wisseau's The Room is amazing a deserves a criterion release in the vein of Seven Samurai but with 4 more discs.

[greekak229]

Alright, I'm done this sale until The Night of the Hunter. So far, I've gotten:

For All Mankind
Paris, Texas
Bigger Than Life
Antichrist

And I just picked up:
Days of Heaven
Wings of Desire
Last Year at Marienbad

Then The Night of the Hunter and Modern Times, and that should about wrap it up. This sale is the tits.

[madmojo]

Originally Posted by Joe Dalek

Speculation is that B&N is canceling orders for anything they can't fulfill during the sale dates due to lack of stock. There has been discussion on this over at Criterion's facebook page last week. Criterion didn't have an answer but chimed in asking for more details from people effected so they could look into it.

I hope my order of Paths of Glory isn't canceled, or I'll be pissed. Right now it says it's set to ship on Dec. 1.

[keldons]

Originally Posted by P@t_Mtl

As for CG, I don't think he is really that bad or different. He just don't like the popular stuff and he is like me in the sense that he dislike lists and top ten.

I really don't get this either, seeing as Godard is enormously popular among both film types and kids my age. Do you know how many hipster girls in particular tell me "Oh I just love Godard!!!" if I tell them I like film?

I just don't appreciate getting a rant implying that I am a sheep for wondering why Days of Heaven seems to always gets put down on this board. CG too often openly mocks people only to go back and say "WELL ITS JUST MY TASTE", which is rather juvenile and I'm sure it can tick off more easily agitated people. This is stuff I was doing in middle school when I liked My Bloody Valentine and other kids liked Korn.

[BlackRiderX]

Finally got The Thin Red Line for a $13 and change.

So far I've picked up:

Seven Samurai
Yojimbo/Sanjuro
Che
Walkabout
Paris Texas
House
Charade
The Darjeeling Limited
The Thin Red Line

Still planning to pick up more before the end of the sale!

[ChadFL]

Originally Posted by keldons

I didn't say people should love it. I've just seen it come up numerous times when people ask "what should I buy?" and a lot of times Days of Heaven gets shot down. Just something I have observed.

Days of Heaven is really nice to look at but the story is terrible. When I watch it I just get the feeling Malick put 95% of the effort into focusing on the atmosphere and 5% on character development/plot.