HDR Discussion Thread

[Geoff D]

The ZD9 is already a monster. But with more than double the zones (and thus double the nits from 2000 to 4000), hopefully wider gamut coverage, further improved processing and a faster panel response time the ZF9 has the potential to be ****ing legendary.

[edits] AND Quantum Dots? That's the gamut coverage sorted, holy shit.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....And for the geeks among us, don’t forget more towards downtown the establishments/organizations like SPI - https://www.imageworks.com/contact-us (within walking distance of Simon’s Bike Shop who I think carry the best selection of Vancouver/Canada jerseys one can find ) and also Vancouver being the home of the non-profit VPA - http://www.vancouverpostalliance.com/

presenting HDR-related events like so - http://www.vancouverpostalliance.com/event-2999809
i think this HDR thing is catching on internationally.

p.s.
speaking of internationally, note to LordoftheRings - while walking around coal harbor marina to stanley park with my wife on a beautiful sunday, i think it was easily within 10-15 minutes that we each heard passerby’s (some locals and some obvious tourists, walking and bicycling by) speaking in french, german, tagalog, chinese, japanese, russian and of course english. vancouver is truly an international city

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by gkolb

What resolution and color space for HDR? (suppose they’re working with film sources), Any idea if/ or how this will be made available for purchase or viewing?

film source is the negative -> PQ rec2020 for HDR remaster
don’t know when it gets to consumers

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Looks like there will be a new HDR king announced on Tuesday in New York. I bet certain people on the forum have been antsy with some type of nda

Will be great to see if Sony's lcd can live up to the claims/hype. VE shootout should be the best ever this year.

4000 nits
1500 zones
Improved viewing angles
X1U
Also supposedly switched to Quantum Dots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCra...ature=youtu.be

you guys are going to make E6AtmosVuduDV jealous by continually bumping this thread to the top of the category this morning

did robert list a date for the shootout while I was on sabbatical?

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

you guys are going to make E6AtmosVuduDV jealous by continually bumping this thread to the top of the category this morning

did robert list a date for the shootout while I was on sabbatical?

He's aiming for September 22nd and 23rd.

[Agent Kay]

Sony are going to make everyone look like they are not even trying again.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

presenting HDR-related events like so - http://www.vancouverpostalliance.com/event-2999809
i think this HDR thing is catching on internationally.

p.s.
speaking of internationally, note to LordoftheRings - while walking around coal harbor marina to stanley park with my wife on a beautiful sunday, i think it was easily within 10-15 minutes that we each heard passerby’s (some locals and some obvious tourists, walking and bicycling by) speaking in french, german, tagalog, chinese, japanese, russian and of course english. vancouver is truly an international city

It is, and in HDR the surroundings and people look even better.
Vancouver is a beautiful city, the nicest one in Canada.

For pure sheer of splendor, the Rockies, Banff and Jasper areas.
_____

Bonus (it's summertime and it's hot):

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=TMXU...ature=youtu.be

[Penton-Man]

You know that’s ^ really not too much of a stretch either. Vancouver really does seem to have an abundance, if not arguably an overabundance of really attractive women esp. on the west side. My wife only allowed me to take pics like you’ve seen on the last page along with eagles, bridges and boats, e.g.….

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by ray0414

He's aiming for September 22nd and 23rd.

, livestream?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

presenting HDR-related events like so - http://www.vancouverpostalliance.com/event-2999809
i think this HDR thing is catching on internationally.

Or perhaps simply coming full circle back to its roots? – http://grand-nce.ca/archives/news/20...searchers.html

Lorne continues to contribute to the field of light and color, e.g. - https://twitter.com/PHASTatUVIC/stat...89313121464320

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

The ZD9 is already a monster. But with more than double the zones (and thus double the nits from 2000 to 4000), hopefully wider gamut coverage, further improved processing and a faster panel response time the ZF9 has the potential to be ****ing legendary.....

Now one only needs the proper furniture…..http://www.insideid.co.uk/news/ee-un...sport-app.aspx

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You know that’s ^ really not too much of a stretch either. Vancouver really does seem to have an abundance, if not arguably an overabundance of really attractive women esp. on the west side. My wife only allowed me to take pics like you’ve seen on the last page along with eagles, bridges and boats, e.g.….

That's a nice shot. I drove that bridge many many times in the past.
And I've been on many boats too between the main land and all the small islands.
All type of boats, all sizes.
And in many planes and helicopters.
All type of planes and helicopters, all sizes.
That was part of my job, my leasure too.
Life's good.

[DJR662]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Looks like there will be a new HDR king announced on Tuesday in New York. I bet certain people on the forum have been antsy with some type of nda

Will be great to see if Sony's lcd can live up to the claims/hype. VE shootout should be the best ever this year.

4000 nits
1500 zones
Improved viewing angles
X1U
glossy panel
Also supposedly switched to Quantum Dots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCra...ature=youtu.be

This deserves its own thread.

Still anxiously awaiting further details.

What do you think about those prices, those can't be right, right?

[DisplayCalNoob]

Originally Posted by ray0414

Looks like there will be a new HDR king announced on Tuesday in New York. I bet certain people on the forum have been antsy with some type of nda

Will be great to see if Sony's lcd can live up to the claims/hype. VE shootout should be the best ever this year.

4000 nits
1500 zones
Improved viewing angles
X1U
glossy panel
Also supposedly switched to Quantum Dots

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=kCra...ature=youtu.be

4000 nits, talk about leap frogging the competition. Now it has to tone map down for Sony BVM-300 mastered content.

I guess a 20,000:1 contrast ratio, local dimming of course.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by IntelliVolume

I come to you with some questions I hope you can help resolve, geared towards anyone who may have some experience with Samsung UHD panels...

We finally got our UN65NU8000 up and running, and last night we watched our first Blu-ray Disc on it, Warner Bros.' Wonder Woman (running through an Oppo BDP-83 BD player and an Onkyo 605
[...]
It seems my panel has what's called an "HDR+ mode," which I assumed was for turning on when watching 4K/UHD sources that are encoded with HDR...from what I read on a Samsung information

Does any of this make sense? Should HDR+ in the Advanced Settings menu of my display be ON or OFF? Keep in mind that right now, we are using a standard BD player to send a 1080p signal to the new UHD TV, which is then upscaled to its native resolution of 4K (supposedly)...would HDR+ be best on or off?

Ok sorry I was busy over the last few days. I speak from owning the KS7000 (Euro version of the same TV) for 2 years, recently replaced with a nice LG C8.
I recommend the owner's thread on AVSforum for this TV, not to post questions to the end of it, but to read all its knowledge.

In brief:
When you do not set the HDMI port's input type to "PC", the following Picture Modes are available to you

• Dynamic (HDR is not displayed)
• Natural (HDR is not displayed)
• Movie (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
• Standard (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
• Sport (HDR is not displayed)
• Game (HDR is displayed, and the TV remembers separate SDR and HDR presets only firmware 1220.6 and later)
• HDR+ (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets)
• Cal-Night (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets) (must be unlocked in the service menu)
• Cal-Day (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets) (must be unlocked in the service menu)

You can only be in ONE Picture Mode at a time. To check which Picture Mode you are in, Press Home on the Smart Remote, scroll to settings, and read what it says in the Quick Settings icon bar.

Where the TV stores two presets, one for HDR and one for SDR, it doesn't give you a clue which it's using - you have to check the Backlight value to see if it's jumped up to 20 etc. This is the most confusing thing when first getting the TV.

When you do set the HDMI port's input type to "PC" and it is sending 4:4:4 Chroma, only the following Picture Modes are available to you, and, these are completely different presets where the settings are stored separately to non-PC input above.

• Dynamic (HDR is not displayed)
• Standard (auto-switches between HDR and SDR picture presets) (but Color Space locked to "Native" so unsuitable for HDR viewing)
• Sport (but Color Space locked to "Native")

If you want to use the low-input Game picture mode, you cannot set the input type to PC.
If you set the input type to PC, it doesn't magically give you a lower input lag in any mode.

To get the lowest input lag with a PC connected, you have to somehow change the input type so that is it NOT PC so that you can select the Game mode.

You should use the "Auto" colourspace in every picture mode for every situation except for ONE, which is (a) below.

The HDR+ "Special Viewing mode" has two functions.
a. When fed with SDR content, it simulates HDR effects with a WCG. You must use colorspace "Native", and you are supposed to set your NORMAL backlight/contrast value for this to look right (not the crazy default of Backlight=20, Contrast=100).
b. When fed with HDR content, it does some "souped up" tonemapping tricks which are non-standard. (colourspace Auto as normal). It's not tracking PQ as well as it does with Movie-HDR or Standard-HDR.

(a) and (b) are utterly different functions, working completely differently, yet they are both sharing the same mode called "HDR+".

The most accurate SDR mode is Movie with Colour Tone warm2.

The Eco mode isn't a global on/off - it's PER picture mode, and can easily catch you out, and it has a nasty habit of sneakily turning itself back on.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

4000 nits, talk about leap frogging the competition. Now it has to tone map down for Sony BVM-300 mastered content.

I guess a 20,000:1 contrast ratio, local dimming of course.

Knowing Sony, they'll probably claim a 20,000,000:1 contrast ratio.

[alexanderg823]

Originally Posted by DisplayCalNoob

4000 nits, talk about leap frogging the competition. Now it has to tone map down for Sony BVM-300 mastered content.

I guess a 20,000:1 contrast ratio, local dimming of course.

One would assume with those specs, it wouldn't have to tone map any BVM-300 content at all. Thus is the benefit of PQ EOTF - It's all fixed point precise values, so a display theoretically only needs to tone map if the content falls outside of its specs. The Z9F would well exceed it, so it can correctly plot all corresponding values without adjustment. In fact, it should be close to not having to tone map Dolby Pulsar mastered content as well!

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

All type of boats, all sizes.

While headed over to North Vancouver for the TT of the bike race I captured a shot of the Arctic Sunrise…..



Background for those unfamiliar - https://www.dw.com/en/russia-to-pay-...hip/a-39740289

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DJR662

This deserves its own thread.....

No need to travel as I think we are capable of discussing it here from an engineering…..or practical viewpoint for relieving an affliction –

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Ok sorry I was busy over the last few days. I speak from owning the....