Archived: Insiders Thread

[qwer1304]

Hi,

I was wondering whether any of the insiders has information on what the royalties for BD/HD actually are?

And what are they for media (disks) and players?

Thx,
D

[Frode]

Originally Posted by LynxFX

I heard that exact statement before I think at least a year ago. Surprised me then, and even moreso now considering that they stuck with it.

That's because you DID hear it a year ago, more even. Look at the article date.

Not that I don't appreciate information, but can we please not use this as a bash amir thread. There's a different place for that kind of thing.

[WickyWoo]

one can only hope. frankly if tosh throwing money at warner to delay blu releases were true, then they should have picked titles more likely to have an impact, such as the harry potter series.

But as you know, Harry potter is 18 months after launch. They DID pay them off for Matrix after all. These were all titles coming early in product life cycle, solid catalog titles like Batman and V, as well as some high profile new releases

I was wondering whether any of the insiders has information on what the royalties for BD/HD actually are?

And what are they for media (disks) and players?

I'm sure that's covered under confidential contracts.

I believe for a player, after you pay everyone- BDA, MPEG Microsoft etc it's between 20 and 30 dollars

Typically disc royalties are few cents.

[pepar]

Originally Posted by goenkar

Amir is warlock, always stirring the pot. Its amazing how someone supposedly at his level has so much time to respond to posts 24x7, even when out of the country (something he never fails to point out) .

I won't go with you to name-calling, but I have come to the same conclusion about him stirring the pot, subtly sometimes and not so subtle at other times.

[pepar]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I never forgot about it because I thought it appalling that the mods over there would allow the A-man to do that without at least deleting the post(s) or issuing the A-man a public warning as to his behavior on their “flagship” thread.

So, I took the opportunity in my welcome to you coming onto our forum as a chance for some much needed payback……as you know all the red ants spend as much time lurking here as they do posting on AVM$.

And I thank you, sir, for the welcome. Both insider threads there have become a HD-DVD lovefest. Fortunately, anyone who's neutral with half-a-brain who wanders in there will see that and be turned off. I doubt they'll be swaying too many to their side.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Dave Mack

Does it look better with the tweaks? Debatable. Some scenes yes, Lucy looks ALOT more dead now, before she just looked like she had bad blue makeup on.
The purists will probably not be chuffed though.

Kind of revisionary. Most of the film looks the same colorwise (although the new BD is noticeably darker) but many scenes have been completely changed color-wise.

I am soo happy that I don’t have total recall as to the *look* of the theatrical version of this title so I can’t comment one way or another. There is a guy that used to work at Technicolor who I would say it more familiar with the *color* of the original theatrical presentation than Ballhaus or Francis Ford C., for that matter. I’ll see if I can track him down and get some comments from him after he peeks at the last few pages of this thread with your screenshots. Problem is, I don’t even know where he works now, so it may take some time.

On another note, mark my words, if Disney uses the same video master for the Blu-ray edition (as they did with the most recent DVD release) of Peter Pan, this consternation about F.F.C.’s Bram Stoker’s Dracula will appear small time, when the Hi-Def purist Peter Pan fans chime in and that title eventually makes it onto the Blu-ray format.

[Bullseye]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

Because Toshiba paid them not to, just like with all the other missing titles.
Now that Nickerson aka "Captain HD DVD" is gone, things are going to be a lot better

Will WB now at least release the Matrix on BD or is this exclusivity open ended

[WickyWoo]

As I understand it there is a time limit, probably no more than a year

[jorg]

Originally Posted by qwer1304

Hi,

I was wondering whether any of the insiders has information on what the royalties for BD/HD actually are?

And what are they for media (disks) and players?

Thx,
D

im no insider but if i recall correctly royalties for blu-ray players are around 3$ more then hd dvd at this point and for media discs them selfs when buying 25 thousand discs (singel layer 15 gig for hd dvd and 25 gig for blu-ray) hd dvd is on average 10 cents less also blu-ray has the space and bandwith to use lpcm as there audio codecs (lpcm has no royaties )

[RobertB]

Originally Posted by Bullseye

Will WB now at least release the Matrix on BD or is this exclusivity open ended

The former HD-DVD exclusive WB titles will be on BD "soon". There isnt any date on Matrix trilogy that I know of but Batman Begins is slated for early Q2 2008 along with The Dark Knight

[Anthony P]

I think the biggest thing with WB and the encodes, is that it would cost money to re-encoded the film just for BD to take advantage of its bandwith and capacity. That is the only thing that i think would keep them from just making one encode and sending that to the replicators.

I think the same thing. I also think that some of the high ups like HD DVD more and would have preferred not have been given the instruction from higher up to back both formats.

Let's face it, your theory explains video but why not add lossless on the BDs or even more of a tragedy why add DTHD to the HD DVD of movies like Happy Feet and Superman Returns and not the BD?I think there are people that wnt to try and “even up” the sales, and if the BD always looks and sounds better people with both will always buy the BD.

That's what it comes down to it, money. And not because it is more expensive to do a BD encode than a HDDVD encode, maybe a bit more. But since they make the encode to fit to HDDVD standards and is already HD they believe that that is all that is required.

Actually it should cost less (think of it this way, you are packing the car, what takes more to pack a car when you have a lot of big objects or a few smaller ones?) . I am guessing that is part two to the previous comment. Except for a hand full of titles the rest would not have made enough to pay for the encoding and replication, so it becomes easier to hide the real cost of HD DVD

[LynxFX]

Originally Posted by Frode

That's because you DID hear it a year ago, more even. Look at the article date.

Ha! Well there you go. I didn't even bother looking at the date, figured he was posting something new. At least I know my memory is still up to snuff.

Back on topic, if Warner isn't going to give BD a seperate encode, I would at least wish they would give BD proper audio. It makes zero sense why they would release titles with TrueHD on HD and lossy for the BD release. I refruse to buy those titles, such as Happy Feet.

[PaulGo]

Sorry to confuse. I also tried to post this in the AVS insiders thread today and asked Amir if he still believe that this position is correct. After about two hours it was deleted. Now I know what happens when Amir gets a question he does not want to answer.

[lokus]

I realize this isn't insider related so I'm sorry for posting this. I just wish the studios would show the superiority of the BD format. I believe we all claim that spec wise it is better. Then why are the studios, such as WB, not showing this superiority? If the consumers don't see any technical superiority, then why wouldn't just go with HD-DVD? Has there been a movie to date on BD that hasn't been able to fit on a HD-DVD (that is a big claim to fame on BD)?

[mainman]

I have a question about xv.color (aka deep color). I opened a thread about this in the general discussion forum, but I wanted to ask a professional.

I read on a different forum, a guy saying, that Blu-ray and HD-DVD will never use 'deep color' because it isnt in the spec. This cant be true right?

It was my understanding, that in the near future, Blu-ray movies (and games) would make use of deep color.

I guess my question is:
Will we ever see this feature on Blu-ray? Meaning, will movies ever use deep color? How about videogames?

Thanks

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mainman

I have a question about xv.color (aka deep color). I opened a thread about this in the general discussion forum, but I wanted to ask a professional.........................

I guess my question is:
Will we ever see this feature on Blu-ray? Meaning, will movies ever use deep color? How about videogames?

Thanks

This is a very confusing topic due to the nomenclature involved. I’m going to try to give you the most simplified answer I can without getting too technical. Give me a minute to type up something.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

This is a very confusing topic due to the nomenclature involved. I’m going to try to give you the most simplified answer I can without getting too technical. Give me a minute to type up something.

First of all. xvYCC and Deep Color are not the same thing. In the biz, xvYCC is referred to as “extended” or “wide” color. Think of xvYCC as an “extended” colorspace or simply a broader range of colors. Think of “Deep” color as much more *shades* of colors. They are independent but their true PQ strength probably comes from their complementary nature to each other.

As far as games, I’ll have to defer to somebody else but keep in mind that the PS3 HDMI 1.3 and Deep Color compliance allow for games that will output in Deep Color.

To achieve xvYCC and Deep color on a typical 2 hr. motion picture title, you aint gonna see it on BD50 discs, as there is not enough storage and possibly also bandwith limitations. So, studios and post houses would have to start putting the encodes on BD100 discs and probably also increase the bitrate potential to boot. I think that BD media is capable of handling the *extra load* but you’re talking about extending the BD standards and all the related compatibility issues, etc.

When and even if the above ever comes to fruition would probably be dependent upon how soon Blu-ray outright wins the format war, how long before the mainstream consumer accepts Blu-ray over things like DVD’s, digital downloads and VOD and how long it takes for holographic storage to become the next greatest packaged media.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by goenkar

Amir is warlock, always stirring the pot. Its amazing how someone supposedly at his level has so much time to respond to posts 24x7, even when out of the country (something he never fails to point out) .

lol,
I blame Dave Mack’s creepy pictures and the Vicodin I’m still on for recent knee surgery (which gave me vampire, warlock and such nightmares last night) ……..

“Make no mistake (goenkar), he must be stopped.”

http://www.classicscifi.com/waspPopup.html?theFile=/trailers/dracula1992.flv&wW=320&wH=255&title=Bram%20Stoker' s%20Dracula

[Ben]

http://www.classicscifi.com/waspPopup.html?theFile=/trailers/dracula1992.flv&wW=320&wH=255&title=Bram%20Stoker' s%20Dracula

Interesting link, Penton! There are several scenes in the trailer that Mr. Mack provided screencaps for. Looks like the BD edition is more accurate than the superbit version.

[Rob71]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

lol,
I blame Dave Mack’s creepy pictures and the Vicodin I’m still on for recent knee surgery (which gave me vampire, warlock and such nightmares last night) ……..

“Make no mistake (goenkar), he must be stopped.”

http://www.classicscifi.com/waspPopup.html?theFile=/trailers/dracula1992.flv&wW=320&wH=255&title=Bram%20Stoker' s%20Dracula

I've gone through what your going though now and those Vicodin induced hallucinations/dreams were better than most movies.

Also thanks for the link.