Archived: Insiders Thread

[blublublu]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

paidgeek, (puts US$25 in the coffer)
I know it's a different studio but can you confirm with your friends at Fox if Live Free Or Die Hard on BD as being the PG-13 version only? If it currently is, tell them that at the very least we want the unrated cut that the DVD versions get. Thanks!


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Insiders: Why release two versions at all. Isn't this a use case for seamless branching?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Talkstr8t

I is around, just swamped w/work and only able to check in here occasionally. Haven't looked at AVS at all today - anything that needs my usual velvet-gloved treatment?

Well if there is, your Insider presence will be appreciated I’m sure about as much as a latex glove during a typical prostate examination on the notoriously pro-HD DVD forum, that it is.
But, I’m the last person to ask, I departed that place before paidgeek did.

This forum is where all the cool folk (normal anal sphincter tone) hang out now.
Though we may be small, we be powerful…………and happy.

And it’s not AVS ………it’s AVMS, as in catering to the whims of M$, I thought you would have figured that out by now.
AVS is the new audio and video codec standard being deployed within China that our fellow insider kjack posted about several pages back.

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2884

[kjack]

Originally Posted by Talkstr8t

Keith, please correct if I'm mistaken, but I don't believe that the SoC's going into the first generation of 1.1 players can support HD PiP.

Current SoCs do not support HD PiP due to memory bandwidth requirements. Some next generation SoCs coming out shortly probably will...

The old balance of cost vs. features...

[Jamh]

Penton-Man, do you have any inside info on why Blu-ray gets the theatrical release of Live Free Die Hard instead of uncut? That seems a bit odd to me.

[phloyd]

Just wanted to add thanks to Talk, kjack, paid and Penton (as well as our other insiders) for making this thread actually interesting, accurate and valuable.

It is great to see relevant data as opposed to marketing speak and reasons why we don't need things...

[Jish]

Insiders,

So Warner just released the specs for the latest Harry Potter film:

http://www.highdefdigest.com/news/sh...5_Also_Due/946

Any idea why they would only put the PiP feature on HD DVD given that profile 1.1 will be available (widely hopefully) by December?

[WickyWoo]

Because they finished the discs months ago

[MrBogey]

Originally Posted by Talkstr8t

Sure - the PS3, the B&8a10asvyas.e
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I can fix that for ya...

[BTBuck1]

Originally Posted by Brain Sturgeon

You are correct that if your system can't decode DTS-HD (HR or MA) then you will only hear the decoded legacy DTS 1.5 Mbps track.

When you select DTS-HD tracks, there is no separate selection for HR or MA; you just simply select the DTS-HD MA track. How its decoded depends on what your hardware does with it. If your decoder will do DTS-HD HR (the Panny DMP-BD10, Sony BDP-S1, etc) then it will decode the core 1.5 Mbps packet and the HR packet. It will not decode the MA (lossless) packet. So you will be hearing a lossy soundtrack, but it should be better than legacy (core) 1.5 Mbps DTS. I think the Blu-ray spec allows for bitrates up to 6Mbps for DTS-HD HR.

AFAIK, No player will pass the bitstream of or decode DTS-HD MA at this point.

Hope this helps...

Since when does the BDP-S1 decode DTSHD? (I know it does DD+ & TrueHD)
ANd no, I think you are wrong, there isn't a gradual degradation,

from what your saying, if my player is "just DTSHD" (not DTSHDMA) and I select a DTSHDMA track, I will get DTSHD when in fact I think you just get core 1.5

it's either you have the decoder for the selected track (DTSHD or DTSHDMA)or you don't and get core 1.5

[halon]

3000 strong and growing!

[Brain Sturgeon]

Originally Posted by BTBuck1

Since when does the BDP-S1 decode DTSHD? (I know it does DD+ & TrueHD)
ANd no, I think you are wrong, there isn't a gradual degradation,

from what your saying, if my player is "just DTSHD" (not DTSHDMA) and I select a DTSHDMA track, I will get DTSHD when in fact I think you just get core 1.5

it's either you have the decoder for the selected track (DTSHD or DTSHDMA)or you don't and get core 1.5

Yup, my bad-- the BDP-S1 doesn't do DTS-HD HR. The Panny does. I'm not sure what other Blu-ray players do decode DTS-HD HR.

No-- that's not how it works. DTS-HD MA soundtracks on the Blu-ray discs out there (all Fox releases I believe) all contain three distinct packets. There is the core legacy 1.5 Mbps packet (aka "encore"), the HR packet, and the MA packet. The core packet contains everything necessary for a 5.1 soundtrack, identical to DTS on DVD (This is one of the distinctions between DTS-HD MA and TrueHD, in which the packets are all lossless, but the first contains just the two channel information, the second the additional 3.1 information, and the third the last 2 channels (for 7.1), along with the metadata necessary to process everything like dialnorm, etc.). The HR packet then adds the information to the core packet for a higher bitrate lossy soundtrack, hence DTS-HD HR. On Blu-ray, the bitrate allowed is up to 6 Mbps. Additionally, the HR packet allows for the addition of many more channels, although this is capped at 7.1 for Blu-ray. If your player, like the Panny, can decode DTS-HD HR, then you will be hearing it, either via your analogue outputs or sent as multichannel PCM via HDMI. Do you think that Panasonic would make a big deal out of a firmware update adding DTS-HD HR decoding that would only give you legacy, DVD quality, 1.5 Mbps DTS if that were the case? Finally, the last packet, the MA packet, allows the soundtrack to be lossless. This is what everybody is waiting for in our players/prepros/receivers so that we can hear the Fox soundtracks in all their glory.

Check out the setup menus on Fox Blu-rays that have DTS-HD MA-- there is only one selection for soundtrack, not a separate one for DTS-HD HR and DTS-HD MA. DTS designed the packet structure this way to simplify the encoding/decoding-- All the information is there, and the player itself will decode all that it is capable of and will ignore the extension packets if it cannot decode it/them.

Cheers!

[L or S of Perfect?]

^^

Cool. Lots of info I didn't know (assuming you actually know what your'e talking about).

[Neo65]

A thank you note to paidgeek and other people at SPHE for the T5E remaster replacement.

It is rare in these days to find a manufacturer so willing to fix a mistake and going out of their way to make a customer happy.

Much appreciated. I feel a grievious wrong has been done in that HoFD did not find a better master to redo the work, that's unfortunate.

Now if only those other people will only exchange my Traffic and Spartacus in the red case after the hack job they did with those two.

[LynxFX]

Originally Posted by Neo65

A thank you note to paidgeek and other people at SPHE for the T5E remaster replacement.

I just watched this last night. I was quite impressed. I haven't seen the movie in quite a while and listened to the uncompressed track. It was the first time I've actually noticed the difference and heard things I haven't heard before. Definitely awesome. The picture was great too! So yes thanks!

[Rob Zuber]

How soon before a movie release date do the studios know the full technical details of the release? I ask because Warner announced the release of Harry Potter and the Order of the Phoenix without mentioning the audio specs (which might possibly favor the BD version), but they did mention the HD DVD - specific "interactivity" features.

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by shamus

Regarding subtitles and 2.35 screens...

Is it possible to have a player move the subtitles or do we have to rely on that option being on the disc????(Immortal Beloved)

It is possible to have the player allow a shift of the subtitles, but only if they are encoded as text data to be rendered in the player. This has not been used yet to my knowledge because the quality is somewhat inferior to what you get with the raster subs used currently. We will probably experiment with this in the near future.

[Bombthroat]

Any Blu-ray Insider:

Will you please relay to Fox that we'd like Live Free or Die Hard to either be the unrated version or preferably use seamless branching so we can have the theatrical version AND the unrated version?

Thanks in advance.

[Bombthroat]

Thanks for the info. I'm still planning to get it on Blu-ray anyway, just thought there might be a little time for Fox to change their mind and release the unrated version.

I'll enjoy the theatrical version more on Blu-ray than I would the unrated version on DVD. At this point, I'm spoiled with Blu-ray's quality.

[WickyWoo]

Will you please relay to Fox that we'd like Live Free or Die Hard to either be the unrated version or preferably use seamless branching so we can have the theatrical version AND the unrated version?

THey know all about it.

By the way, while we're talking about Fox titles, we've got an update for you on the studio's forthcoming Live Free and Die Hard Blu-ray (due on 11/20). We've confirmed that the disc will include only the PG-13 theatrical cut of the film. This has upset some fans, who are aware that the studio is releasing an uncut version of the film on DVD the same day. The reason for the decision is that the uncut version was finished by the director only AFTER completing all the theatrical press junkets and promotional appearances for the film. Unfortunately, this was too late to complete compression and authoring for the Blu-ray version in time to meet street date. So the studio was basically faced with the choice of delaying the title or releasing the theatrical cut only day and date with the DVD. So that's the reason it's PG-13 only.

[shamus]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

It is possible to have the player allow a shift of the subtitles, but only if they are encoded as text data to be rendered in the player. This has not been used yet to my knowledge because the quality is somewhat inferior to what you get with the raster subs used currently. We will probably experiment with this in the near future.

Thanks!