Archived: Insiders Thread

[goodstuff]

Really looking forward to Dracula. I still have my CAV Criterion laser. I miss those things

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by ProvenFlipper

Thanks for the response. I assume that you guys are including both so people without PS3 can still get lossless audio, and will continue to do so when necessary until the amount of THD enabled players becomes the vast majority. Once LPCM is left behind, will you guys make the move to 24/48 THD?

The thing is, aren't the number of THD enabled players already the vast majority?

Gary

[ProvenFlipper]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

The thing is, aren't the number of THD enabled players already the vast majority?

Gary

Yes, they are, and while I have one of those THD enabled players, I can see why Sony would wan't to piss off the early adopter crowd that bought Gen 1 standalones that dont decode DTHD. It's a nice move on their part, offer both and begin to phase out LPCM as the EA crowd buys up newer standalones.

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by Razter

Ok, thanks

Do you know if the new S300 player will have the 1.1 profile?
Are studios working on PiP and other 1.1 funtions, or are they waiting for it to be finalized?(is it still June-July?)
What is your view on BD-J vs HDi? Can you give an exampel of something that HDi won´t be able to do, or something BD-J simply would do better?

I really appreciate your answers, interactivity is importent to the format even if it´s not something that I´m personally excited about

According to my information, the S300 will be a profile 1.0 player.

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by Chris Beveridge

paidgeek,

Just saw this come up in the main movies area:



I mentioned this to a European friend and the first thing he said was "Guess this means they want us to buy a US PS3". Will SPE US be doing the same?

Chris, can you give me more information about this newsletter? I don't know about it.

It would not be a good idea to purchase a US PS3 for use in Europe because it won't support a 50hz disc.

[Josh]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

It would not be a good idea to purchase a US PS3 for use in Europe because it won't support a 50hz disc.

Now you've done it. Are you talking about 50hz DVDs or 1080i50 Blu-ray?

[Chris Beveridge]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

Chris, can you give me more information about this newsletter? I don't know about it.

It would not be a good idea to purchase a US PS3 for use in Europe because it won't support a 50hz disc.

Unfortunately I cannot find the thread over at AVS that had it. It was supposedly a SPE Europe newsletter and they had posted the relevant material. Threads seem to disappear all too quickly on AVS these days which makes follow-up difficult.

[Josh]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

Chris, can you give me more information about this newsletter? I don't know about it.

It would not be a good idea to purchase a US PS3 for use in Europe because it won't support a 50hz disc.

http://www.trailermail.co.uk/sonypic...il6/email.html

[Longshot]

Paidgeek,

Any further word on "Legends of the Fall"?

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

It would not be a good idea to purchase a US PS3 for use in Europe because it won't support a 50hz disc.

Originally Posted by joshd2012

Now you've done it. Are you talking about 50hz DVDs or 1080i50 Blu-ray?

Well the Region A/3 PS3 just added PAL support with the latest firmware, why wouldn't it be posible to add it to the the Region A/1 US PS3?

What about the Region A/4 PS3. I think some broadcasts there are PAL so people might have DVD-Rs recorded in PAL while movie DVDs are NTSC

[Frode]

Yeah I kind of have to echo Deciazulado here - why no 50Hz support on the US/JP PS3s? The hardware should be identical (aside from the euro ps3 going for full software emulation of PS2 games) and I honestly can't think of a reason for it from an engineering standpoint. If there truly is no 50Hz support right now, is that something you could consider adding, at least for the HDMI output? It would actually be easier to develop and support if there is as little differentiating the firmware between regions as possible.

[Blackraven]

Is the NVIDIA graphics processing unit the one responsible for the output of 480 and 576 resolution?

If so, then it would be revealed if certain hardware are only capable of supporting one (either PAL or NTSC).

If it's NVIDIA doing the 50hz/25fps and 60hz/60fps/30fps mumbo-jumbo (aside from 480 res. and 576 res. stuff), then this should be no problem in order to allow for a PS3 that is MULTI-SYSTEM (like Asia region PS3s/those with Region A/3)

However, if there are certain components that only allow for JUST ONE AND NOT BOTH, then we would then see why this can't be done.

[Frode]

PAL/NTSC is only relevant for interlaced outputs though, and shouldn't affect affect hi-def ones.

[Knight-Errant]

Originally Posted by Frode

PAL/NTSC is only relevant for interlaced outputs though, and shouldn't affect affect hi-def ones.

Yep. Though UK format is 50hz and the US one is 60hz...I think.

[Frode]

Originally Posted by Knight-Errant

Yep. Though UK format is 50hz and the US one is 60hz...I think.

Broadcast format yes. It's to facilitate simulcast in downconverted SD - keeps everything nice and simple. TV sets with the HD Ready logo (which is virtually all HD sets sold in Europe these days) are required to support both 50Hz and 60Hz, so HD-DVDs and BDs with 24p/60i work fine. US HDTVs don't have that same requirement even though there are some sets out there that support 50i HD.

Since we're on the subject, if studios use 50i for their european releases then in a way it works as a de facto region protection as you'd need equipment that is known to work with that frame rate. In addition you also get the same old PAL speedup problems with a slightly higher pitched audio. While I can understand why studios would want to have 50i masters ready for easy use in broadcast, I implore those studio reps reading this to NOT use it on HD on disc products. PAL speedup needs to go the way of the dodo, and having it is only going to increase people's desire to import discs and effectively make the region system as useless as it is today.

Or to put it this way - please release European BDs in 24p/60i and it won't matter that the US PS3 doesn't support 50hz ? I understand that there's going to be some products that need to be released in 50i because it was produced that way, but if there's a 24p release in the US it should ideally be 24p in Europe as well.

[gandley]

anymore info on the use of xvYCC to be used with AVC encodes. ie titles.

And of what benefit this will be to the average user? Does ones display need to support extended colour? Is this a real advantage over HD-DVD as i guess it will use extra space on the disc to store the extra information yes/no.

Just want to know if this will provide a real world difference, and is one more reason to choose BD over HD-DVD

[jorg]

any profile 1.1 or more coming out?

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by gandley

anymore info on the use of xvYCC to be used with AVC encodes. ie titles.

Does AVC on BD support deep gamut? I was under the impression that neither format supports beyond 24-bit colour in the encodings.

Gary

[kjack]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Does AVC on BD support deep gamut? I was under the impression that neither format supports beyond 24-bit colour in the encodings.

xvYCC is normal YCbCr data, but video levels below black and above white for all three components are purposely used. That's why you get about 1.8x more colors than over standard YCbCr.

[theknub]

thanks kjack, great to know what is going on