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[scragham]

Originally Posted by Leon

this trend will be so bad, as ps3 gets great games this holiday season, ps3 owners will not buy so many blu-ray movies

Those cheap players are not good, and thoshiba is really pushing it hard now.


Its time to show this to the folks on top, and I thought blu-ray was, panasonic, hiatchi, sony, pioneer, samsung. Why aint they pushing the format ?

Tvpredictons on this topic, 'sony says that ps3 will sell lots of more than those standalones, but so many good games this holiday, what do you do with your blu-ray's then ?

http://www.tvpredictions.com/askswanni110507.htm

unquestionably one of the stupidest ideas the red ants have come up with.

seriously,

1) as others have pointed out - why can't people do both? more to the point, even if they're not watching movies AND playing games at the same time, why does the advent of (more) quality games for the PS3 mean that these people won't buy both the games AND the movies? which brings me to point 2;

2) for pete's sake... the people who bought the PS3 bought into the MORE expensive console and HD movie format. i laugh in the face of any red ant that tries to pretend that i don't have the income to support both my gaming and movie-watching habits.

[BillCable]

I hear that all the time from HD-DUDders... "The only reason PS3 owners are buying Blu-ray movies is because there aren't any good games. Now that good games are coming out Blu-ray sales will suffer." It doesn't make any sense at all to me... as if hoards of people are going out to buy 300 just because they don't have any games to play this afternoon.

[L or S of Perfect?]

If anything, more new games means more ps3s, means more potential blu-ray movie buyers. It would more than offset any incremental loss because someone's playing a game instead of watching a movie.

I consider myself primarily a gamer, but I have far more blu-ray movies than games. Probably 40:8 ratio.

[Steverhcp02]

Originally Posted by Leon

stupid idea ? Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD model sells 90,000 + over weekend

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6498141.html

walmart.com has imidiatly put more 98$ on the site for round 2.

Im not liking this. Thosiba losing money ? So what, they get a huge base, and they know all about Warner Brothers.. They will make up for it if hd-dvd wins. Blu-ray is thinking more layed back and in the long rung, and is heavily counting on ps3.

How many ps3 sold this week ? 30000+, how many movies sold. 5000 + ?

See what im saying this is not good, players need to come down.

Well i look at it this way. If Toshiba cant make strides...and by strides i mean lower SI to 55:45 AT LEAST by the end of December....it only makes BD look better after these sales.

The talk form HD DVD is always "once we get the prices down its over" Well, the rices are down....if it doesnt end, then they have NO WHERE to go. It will prove to be shooting themselves in the foot, imo.

[ryoohki]

Originally Posted by Leon

stupid idea ? Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD model sells 90,000 + over weekend

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6498141.html

walmart.com has imidiatly put more 98$ on the site for round 2.

Im not liking this. Thosiba losing money ? So what, they get a huge base, and they know all about Warner Brothers.. They will make up for it if hd-dvd wins. Blu-ray is thinking more layed back and in the long rung, and is heavily counting on ps3.

How many ps3 sold this week ? 30000+, how many movies sold. 5000 + ?

See what im saying this is not good, players need to come down.

There isn't an unlimited amount of A2, the A3 is already back at 299$ on Best Buy website. I may Sony might sell 1+M machine until the holiday. the 40gb PS3 is flying of the shelve here...

[atomik kinder]

Originally Posted by Leon

stupid idea ? Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD model sells 90,000 + over weekend

http://www.videobusiness.com/article/CA6498141.html

walmart.com has imidiatly put more 98$ on the site for round 2.

Im not liking this. Thosiba losing money ? So what, they get a huge base, and they know all about Warner Brothers.. They will make up for it if hd-dvd wins. Blu-ray is thinking more layed back and in the long rung, and is heavily counting on ps3.

How many ps3 sold this week ? 30000+, how many movies sold. 5000 + ?

See what im saying this is not good, players need to come down.

I thought there were only 50,000 to go around. Wal-Mart and Best Buy will probably do this again on Black Friday. They have their super low priced players now, where else is there to go? If their sales numbers can't go up and don't surpass BD they might as well give up.

[Josh]

paidgeek,

Congrats! Close Encounters of the Third Kind is breath-taking. I thought it looked and sounded absolutely amazing. Some of the best titles on Blu-ray come from Sony, and this one doesn't disappoint.

[Anthony P]

How many ps3 sold this week ? 30000+, how many movies sold. 5000 + ?

See what im saying this is not good, players need to come down.

yes, you have no idea of the numbers

stupid idea ? Toshiba HD-A2 HD DVD model sells 90,000 + over weekend

what you are missing is that movie sales are 2:1 for DV vs HD DVD in the US (and even worst for HD DVD in the rest of the world). In order for HD DVD to couver that they need to more then double the number of players while BD has 0 sales.

Thosiba is smart and aggressive as hell.

kind of like the way a chicken moves right after its head is cut off.

[ryoohki]

Btw i want to congrat Sony on Spiderman Set.

I was pleased to see that Sony didn't add any Edge Enhancement or use any DNR on any of the 3.

This is the reason why i bought HDM in the first place. Those 2 things i can tolerate and i witch more studio would follow that route. DNR kill details and EE is plain ulgy..

[Anthony P]

to people that work for studios or that work on the BD master.

Obviously this is not the perfect solution, but I am guessing it is the only feasable solution (for lazy people like me )


My understand is that BD has persistent storage for small settings. Also if I understand correctly there is no global standardization for audio (i.e. you pick English PCM or English DTHD or .... the player knows you picked it but the player does not really know what it is playing).

Could it be possible for inside a given studio (even better yet globally, but don't think it realistic) to standardize (not what is on the disk but how it is reference) and have a global setting that is saved in persistent storage.

i.e. what I would like is a setting that I can set once and then whatever movie I put in from the studio it will pick the one I like most

i.e. I would set up once
Original language PCM
OL DTHD
OL DTS-HD
English PCM
.......

so that way I would not need to change the audio most times I put in a disk.

[dobyblue]

According to videobusiness 90,000 HD DVD players were sold in three days last weekend.
They cite that the figures are from "sources close to the retailers"
Any merit to that statement?

[blindcat87]

It is too bad that this is not standard. This is my most wanted feature. Like a lot of features that make things easier for blind users, it would also make a great convenience feature for those with normal vision. It is just like our campaign for talking MP3 players, which would make inaccesible players accessible, but would also be very convenient for runners, bikers, etc. to listen without the need to stop and consult a screen. Of course, in the case of my PS3, I can switch soundtracks, it would just be much less of a hassle not having to memorize how many pushes of the audio button it takes to get the track I want for a given title.

Chris

Originally Posted by Anthony P

to people that work for studios or that work on the BD master.

Obviously this is not the perfect solution, but I am guessing it is the only feasable solution (for lazy people like me )


My understand is that BD has persistent storage for small settings. Also if I understand correctly there is no global standardization for audio (i.e. you pick English PCM or English DTHD or .... the player knows you picked it but the player does not really know what it is playing).

Could it be possible for inside a given studio (even better yet globally, but don't think it realistic) to standardize (not what is on the disk but how it is reference) and have a global setting that is saved in persistent storage.

i.e. what I would like is a setting that I can set once and then whatever movie I put in from the studio it will pick the one I like most

i.e. I would set up once
Original language PCM
OL DTHD
OL DTS-HD
English PCM
.......

so that way I would not need to change the audio most times I put in a disk.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by blindcat87

Yet another AVS refugee, blindcat7 on AVS

I’ve been recently informed that AVS is no longer providing an online habitat for the HDM psychotics out there by closing all their High Def Forums. I presume this is a temporary measure. I also question whether anything will be substantially different over there when the HDM forums are re-opened unless the ownership decides to become more proactive.

In the meantime, with the known fact that the AVS membership is decidedly pro-HD DVD biased (given the months of *indoctrination* by M$ employees), I sincerely hope that the mods on our forum stay vigilant for any troublemakers coming over to our site to vent, campaign, spread FUD or whatever they do all day long while acting busy at their real daytime jobs.

I am all in favor of strict, decisive moderation on our forum so that our members do not suffer from the infrastructure breakdown currently existing on AVS.

I also hope that all are members refrain from engaging in discussions with any HD DVD trolls and immediately report their behavior to the moderators here.

I have a very busy remainder of the week.
Hopefully I can pop in when I get a break in the action.

[UltimateFighter]

Hey Penton,

Any word on when the price drops are coming for the BD stand-alones? I hear people are starting their Christmas shopping a little earlier this year.

Merry Christmas and Thanks

[U4K61]

Originally Posted by Steverhcp02

Well i look at it this way. If Toshiba cant make strides...and by strides i mean lower SI to 55:45 AT LEAST by the end of December....it only makes BD look better after these sales.

The talk form HD DVD is always "once we get the prices down its over" Well, the rices are down....if it doesnt end, then they have NO WHERE to go. It will prove to be shooting themselves in the foot, imo.

I could never understand how people can afford $2,000+ for a good 16:9 TV and then pine over spending more then $200 for blu ray or DVD player for that matter. But there are many out there that that do just that. They got the TV and then dither over spending any money to see aneything other then RF cable! I helped a friend get a 3,000 set and they currently watch cable and are not sure on getting blu ray - yet. It seems that the price must fall to $50 before they get off the bench.

[JohnGalt]

Originally Posted by Craig Ruchman

I could never understand how people can afford $2,000+ for a good 16:9 TV and then pine over spending more then $200 for blu ray or DVD player for that matter. But there are many out there that that do just that. They got the TV and then dither over spending any money to see aneything other then RF cable! I helped a friend get a 3,000 set and they currently watch cable and are not sure on getting blu ray - yet. It seems that the price must fall to $50 before they get off the bench.

I did the same thing recently. $3.5k for a new set, $3k for speakers, $1.5k for a new A/V receiver ... and I almost went with an upsampling DVD player because HD DVD and Blu-ray seemed a bit expensive and uncertain. I don't mind a few hundred for an HD player of some sort but I do mind very much if the format I chose disappears leaving me to pick up a few scraps of media on eBay as early adopters shed their purchases for pennies on the dollar. In the end I went with a PS3 because I figured it would be viable as a game system (and therefore saleable) lots longer than a standalone that will only play whichever HD format finally loses out ... and it was cheaper than the 360 + HD DVD add-on. It's not the money so much as the thought of it being squandered on a failed format and moreso the thought of having to re-buy some of my favorites yet again on a 3rd or 4th format (going back to VHS).

[bunkaroo]

I put down the $1k for the BDP-S1 last November and haven't looked back.

It's a great player, it's built like a tank, it's been worth every penny IMO. I don't care at all about the 1.1 stuff, although I'm sure I'll eventually wind up with a new standalone in the next year or two.

I spent a good amount of money getting the great display, great sound system, professional calibration, etc. There was no way I was going to not own Blu-Ray.

I've spent 3x as much on Blu-Ray discs as the player, so it's been well worth the investment.

[hoser]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I’ve been recently informed that AVS is no longer providing an online habitat for the HDM psychotics out there by closing all their High Def Forums. I presume this is a temporary measure. I also question whether anything will be substantially different over there when the HDM forums are re-opened unless the ownership decides to become more proactive.

In the meantime, with the known fact that the AVS membership is decidedly pro-HD DVD biased (given the months of *indoctrination* by M$ employees), I sincerely hope that the mods on our forum stay vigilant for any troublemakers coming over to our site to vent, campaign, spread FUD or whatever they do all day long while acting busy at their real daytime jobs.

Tonite I read their "announcement" explaining their decision to stop posting for a few days.
It is an interesting read.
Firstly, they complain about all the bickering that goes on over there (Hello, ever heard about a function called: Moderating? )
All of the problems would go away if moderating was done in a non-bias way.

Then they deny any favoritism of either format.
Next, they explicitly deny being PRO HD-DUD.

Exactly what inspired the Powers-That-Be to make such a pronouncement is probably the most interesting bit of all.

[HDJK]

Originally Posted by Frode

...
Or to put it another way, you can duplicate frames to 120fps and tell the display to display it, but because the frames are duplicate and so the pixels don't change (in brightness or color value), the actual displayed result is the original frame rate effectively.

And this is where I'm not as happy as Seretur yet: at 120Hz this results in a perfekt 5:5 pulldown. But on 100Hz sets Samsung for example uses some sort of interpolation. Doesn't that affect the PQ in a way that leads to lesser PQ than with no interpolation on 120Hz?

[Seretur]

HDJK -- this is what interests me too; I'm happy, but not overjoyed.

I assume what we're getting is the best possible solution for the given parameters of our European standards, but it might be a best solution, period; this is why it's of paramount importance that someone from Sony pitches in and sets the record straight.