Archived: Insiders Thread

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by MarekM

Paidgeek,

I would like to ask you once more, I am sorry for that, and I will be happy with your answare....

I just found final specs for UK release of SPIDERMAN 1&2

http://www.dvdtimes.co.uk/content.php?contentid=65600



last time I asked if audio and video specs will be same, your answare was that yes they will be, but with more other languages....

I would like to ask you only two questions

1. DolbyTrueHD will be same as US release 24bit ?
2. PCM is not on UK releases ? correct ?

(I am not missing PCM if I will get DolbyTrueHD withou dial. norm.)

Thank you again,
Marek

SM1 will have 16 bit Dolby THD English for all markets including the US. There is no 24 bit master. The US and UK disc does not have LPCM.

SM2 will have 24 bit Dolby THD English for all markets except Japan which has a different configuration that i don't have at the moment. Again the US and UK discs do not have LPCM.

[Smackos]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

I will pass the PS3 suggestions along where and when I get an opportunity...

Thanks mate... much appreciated by all of us on here. The PR department must love you calling them with the latest rants from the forums... don't worry we'll aim some of it Penton-Man's way soon enough.. even if it's just so he can crack open a few more youtube lonesome dove references..

[darkedgex]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

You can by a player from Europe and have PAL support, but I would not expect to get this from a North American player.

To be fair, many North American DVD players have no problem playing PAL content, so it seemed very strange to me that the PS3 doesn't do this. Is there some harm in having the PS3 support playback of PAL DVD content? =) (As was noted earlier in this thread, other regions with PS3's seem to have support for PAL, while in the North American version this "feature" seems to be deliberately disabled).

Please help me free up one of my HDMI ports (namely the one being occupied by the DVD player kept soley for viewing PAL content) by encouraging the folks responsible for the PS3 to enable PAL support.

[WickyWoo]

To be fair, many North American DVD players have no problem playing PAL content, so it seemed very strange to me that the PS3 doesn't do this. Is there some harm in having the PS3 support playback of PAL DVD content? =) (As was noted earlier in this thread, other regions with PS3's seem to have support for PAL, while in the North American version this "feature" seems to be deliberately disabled).

To my knowlege no Sony DVD player supports PAL, and since the closest PAL territory to Japan has all their home video in NTSC< the Japanese engineers likely just didn't think it would be an issue.

[MarekM]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

SM1 will have 16 bit Dolby THD English for all markets including the US. There is no 24 bit master. The US and UK disc does not have LPCM.

SM2 will have 24 bit Dolby THD English for all markets except Japan which has a different configuration that i don't have at the moment. Again the US and UK discs do not have LPCM.

again my friend, thank you very much for your fast answare !!

final specs are same for SM3 ? DolbyTrueHD 24bit for US and UK ?

thanx
Marek

[degas]

Originally Posted by WickyWoo

To my knowlege no Sony DVD player supports PAL, and since the closest PAL territory to Japan has all their home video in NTSC< the Japanese engineers likely just didn't think it would be an issue.

Well, the HK-version support PAL and NTSC (NTSC territory).
And this was made availble through a simple FW update months back.

[necrio]

paidgeek:

hi, simple question about the comming Bladerunner release(s) will they be strictly regA or will they be ABC? if this has been answered already, my apologies :-)

[JBlacklow]

Originally Posted by necrio

paidgeek:

hi, simple question about the comming Bladerunner release(s) will they be strictly regA or will they be ABC? if this has been answered already, my apologies :-)

"Blade Runner" is from Warner, not Sony. All or nearly all of Warner's BDs have been coded ABC.

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

I looked at "Crank" today and thought it looked good. It has a different 'look' than "The Company". It seems to be very well shot, but it is edgy with exaggerated contrast. I'm sure this was the directors intention.

If you watch the "Crank'd Out Mode!" you will see that the Directors, Mark Neveldine and Brian Taylor, shot on all HDCams using high shutter speeds (this gives it a much higher crispness during high motion scenes, which Crank is full of). Neveldine and Taylor collaborated on this project after working as photogs on another project. They realized that they really complimented each others styles and got together and wrote Crank to match their shooting styles. They wrote the script in 4 days. I might also add that they are pretty funny guys from their PIP commentary. They make movies like I would make movies if I made movies.

[paidgeek]

First of all, for those who have been waiting for my follow-up post on this topic, thanks for your patience...

After doing some research, here is what I have been able to clarify.

Blu-ray players first manufactured after Spring of this year are required to support BD-RE v3.0 media (AACS enabled) for playback of recordings where copyright has been asserted (e.g. digital broadcast, managed copy from a Blu-ray movie and similar). These same players may playback authored content from other sources (e.g. home movies) where copyright is not asserted from either BD-RE V3.0 or v2.1 (currently available) media.
An exception was made for players produced before Spring this year such that they may playback authored BD movie content from BD-RE V2.1 media, even though they may not support V3.0 media. The PS3 is already fully compliant with the latest requirements. Other players may or may not be depending on current firmware revisions.

The simple summary is that a consumer can author their own content as they wish using currently available media and play it back on any player that was released prior to Spring 07' as well as any player released since that time, provided that the player can support BD-RE V3.0 media. If a newer player cannot yet support that media type, then BD-RE 2.1 support can be enabled as soon as firmware allows the player to do so.

The specifications are designed not to inconvenience any customer who wants to author content they own.

[DaViD Boulet]

I understand the frustration, but there are technical reasons (framer rate and bandwidth) why some developers choose to author 720p. You can't just to a 1080i conversion without creating all sort of artifacts.
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But the 360 does it.

We're not expection perfection with any scaling-conversion. But the ability to watch an HD game in HD on a set that can only accept 1080i seems like a no-brainer as far a console is concerned.

Two choices:

* Upscale to 1080p and then just take every other line of each frame to make 1080i. You get some aliasing but it still will look VERY good.

* Downscale to 540p and then output this as 1080i. Easy to do, and still better than 480p and preserves full horizontal resoltuion. But not as good as the first option.

[ckenisell]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

But the 360 does it.

We're not expection perfection with any scaling-conversion. But the ability to watch an HD game in HD on a set that can only accept 1080i seems like a no-brainer as far a console is concerned.

Two choices:

* Upscale to 1080p and then just take every other line of each frame to make 1080i. You get some aliasing but it still will look VERY good.

* Downscale to 540p and then output this as 1080i. Easy to do, and still better than 480p and preserves full horizontal resoltuion. But not as good as the first option.

THANK YOU!!! I wish Sony would get their $#!+ together and get this working! I'm tired of firmware release after firmware release not having this built in. Have you seen the number of PS3 games that are available in 720p ONLY? I haven't played Resistance, Fight Night Round 3, Godfather: The Dons Edition, and I don't plan to play Heavenly Sword because of this. Maybe that's one of the reasons that PS3 game sales have been lacking.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

First of all, for those who have been waiting for my follow-up post on this topic, thanks for your patience...

After doing some research, here is what I have been able to clarify.

Blu-ray players first manufactured after Spring of this year are required to support BD-RE v3.0 media (AACS enabled) for playback of recordings where copyright has been asserted (e.g. digital broadcast, managed copy from a Blu-ray movie and similar). These same players may playback authored content from other sources (e.g. home movies) where copyright is not asserted from either BD-RE V3.0 or v2.1 (currently available) media.
An exception was made for players produced before Spring this year such that they may playback authored BD movie content from BD-RE V2.1 media, even though they may not support V3.0 media. The PS3 is already fully compliant with the latest requirements. Other players may or may not be depending on current firmware revisions.

The simple summary is that a consumer can author their own content as they wish using currently available media and play it back on any player that was released prior to Spring 07' as well as any player released since that time, provided that the player can support BD-RE V3.0 media. If a newer player cannot yet support that media type, then BD-RE 2.1 support can be enabled as soon as firmware allows the player to do so.

The specifications are designed not to inconvenience any customer who wants to author content they own.

That's sounds like great news (a "drop dead rdjam" event).

Is V3.0 media available? And does this only apply to BD-RE? Is there any BD-R V3.0?

I'm correct in assuming this refers to specific versions of the physical media discs, right?

And, this allows private creation of BDMV type discs, with full access to BD-J?

[WriteSimply]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

Blu-ray players first manufactured after Spring of this year are required to support BD-RE v3.0 media (AACS enabled) for playback of recordings where copyright has been asserted (e.g. digital broadcast, managed copy from a Blu-ray movie and similar). These same players may playback authored content from other sources (e.g. home movies) where copyright is not asserted from either BD-RE V3.0 or v2.1 (currently available) media.
An exception was made for players produced before Spring this year such that they may playback authored BD movie content from BD-RE V2.1 media, even though they may not support V3.0 media. The PS3 is already fully compliant with the latest requirements. Other players may or may not be depending on current firmware revisions.

The simple summary is that a consumer can author their own content as they wish using currently available media and play it back on any player that was released prior to Spring 07' as well as any player released since that time, provided that the player can support BD-RE V3.0 media. If a newer player cannot yet support that media type, then BD-RE 2.1 support can be enabled as soon as firmware allows the player to do so.

The specifications are designed not to inconvenience any customer who wants to author content they own.

Let's see if I get it straight.

To summarize: Players pre-Spring 07 - BD-R/RE v2.1 media only.
Players post-Spring 07 - BD-R/RE v2.1 & v3.0 media

Am I correct?

Also, can players pre-Spring 07 can be upgraded via firmware to playback BD-R/RE v3.0?

And the questions Gary ask as well. Thanks paidgeek! (puts a twenty in the coffer)


fuad

[dobyblue]

Originally Posted by ckenisell

THANK YOU!!! I wish Sony would get their $#!+ together and get this working! I'm tired of firmware release after firmware release not having this built in. Have you seen the number of PS3 games that are available in 720p ONLY? I haven't played Resistance, Fight Night Round 3, Godfather: The Dons Edition, and I don't plan to play Heavenly Sword because of this. Maybe that's one of the reasons that PS3 game sales have been lacking.

The amazing Panasonic Viera 50" 1080p plasma on Amazon is now down 40% to US$2100!!!

That will take care of all those problems.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Smackos

even if it's just so he can crack open a few more youtube lonesome dove references..

How’s a quote ?
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...d=1#post168407

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

That's sounds like great news (a "drop dead rdjam" event).

Is V3.0 media available? And does this only apply to BD-RE? Is there any BD-R V3.0?

I'm correct in assuming this refers to specific versions of the physical media discs, right?

And, this allows private creation of BDMV type discs, with full access to BD-J?

V3.0 will apply to both R and RE media.

Yes, it is a physical feature of the media.

Yes, you will be able to fully utilize the Video specification for private use.

[dialog_gvf]

Originally Posted by paidgeek

V3.0 will apply to both R and RE media.

Yes, it is a physical feature of the media.

Yes, you will be able to fully utilize the Video specification for private use.

Thank you sir. And another FUD bites the dust.

[paidgeek]

Originally Posted by WriteSimply

Let's see if I get it straight.

To summarize: Players pre-Spring 07 - BD-R/RE v2.1 media only.
Players post-Spring 07 - BD-R/RE v2.1 & v3.0 media

Am I correct?

Also, can players pre-Spring 07 can be upgraded via firmware to playback BD-R/RE v3.0?

And the questions Gary ask as well. Thanks paidgeek! (puts a twenty in the coffer)


fuad

The pre-Spring 07 players may or may not be updated. It's up to the manufacture to decide what to do if the player is physically capable of being updated in the first place.

[Banjo]

Paidgeek,

Sorry to ask this again... will the special features for Spider-Man Trilogy on both Blu-ray Disc and DVD be subtitled/captioned in English? I know you already confirmed it for the BD edition of 'Close Encounters of the Third Kind', but a deaf friend of mine doesn't own a BD player at the moment. He'll like to know if the same is being done for the DVD edition.

Thanks.