"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mhafner

http://www.ascmag.com/magazine_dynam...08/current.php
But the article is not online. They need to sell some magazines after all.
The Genesis footage is....
(don't read if you don't want to know.)..............

I already do know........that's why I gave you a belated head's up to the challenge.

I get that mag in the mail at our summer place so, no access for me yet.

What I was wondering was whether you read just a 3 or 4 sentence blurb on the topic-- or if they actually interviewed Spinotti as to how he technically made (utilization of new Prima lenses with the film cam and oldie but goodie lenses with the Genesis) the cameras shoot imagery as similar as possible…. so that there would be a seamless transition to the viewing public on the big screen.

P.S.
They also captured a few daylight scenes with the Genesis.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mhafner

Low on-off contrast was/is my number one pet peeve with digital projectors. Till JVC came along with the HD1/RS1 which was the first digital good enough for me in that department to buy one. The cinema models are stuck at ~5-7 times lower than the JVC. But JVC does 4K too. And one day we might see better contrast 4K in the cinema as we see now better 1080p contrast at home.

Trivia …………………
What is the first motion picture (feature length) to have been shot in 4K and to have been posted entirely in 4K (meaning every single stinkin frame!). It actually screened earlier this month in L.A. on one of Sony’s 4K projectors.

P.S.
Maybe I shouldn’t have used the word “trivia” above because this actually indicates that slowly (very slowly) but surely the cost of storage is continuing to drop.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Icemage

Here you go, Penton-Man. Just to assauge your curiosity. It's in the public HDTV Media forum at AVS.

Well, now I am just flabergasted.
I thought for sure that swipe at Bill Hunt was posted on some secret thread or member’s only thread on that forum.
The man has no shame.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Icemage

Take a gander at the rest of that thread if you've got time.

Spare me.
When one types in "Blu-ray" in the Google search engine what forum do you think comes up first on the hit parade ?

This forum or *the other forum* ?
It’s a time management thing for me now.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Hi Penton,

I thought I'd give you some Monday morning humor to start your week. Of course, something like this would most likely be from AVS and the discussion of Bram Stroker's Dracula.

http://www.avsforum.com/avs-vb/showt...925329&page=17

I don’t think that some people on that forum get the point. Even if there was something wrong with any Blu-ray title at all, the sort of behavior exhibited on that thread would only push studios away from whatever those people desired in the first place.

They still seem clueless as to the source used for that particular Blu-ray movie despite the fact of several respected industry insiders taking their time to set the record straight.
I wouldn’t expect the same input to occur in the future.

[Penton-Man]

Carry on.

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Trivia …………………
What is the first motion picture (feature length) to have been shot in 4K and to have been posted entirely in 4K (meaning every single stinkin frame!). It actually screened earlier this month in L.A. on one of Sony’s 4K projectors.

P.S.
Maybe I shouldn’t have used the word “trivia” above because this actually indicates that slowly (very slowly) but surely the cost of storage is continuing to drop.

Just a guess... is it Lawrence of Arabia???

[Kris Deering]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, it just goes to show that you shouldn’t miss a day because something is going on somewhere on this forum.
Here’s a heads-up that may be worthy of your further attention. It could serve either as a challenge to your visual acuity…… or, at the very least, an interesting example of how close some digital cameras can/are approaching the *film look*.

“Deception” debuted in U.S. theaters sometime last month, so it may be arriving in your area of the world in a couple months or so. The young whipper-snapper that had decision-making power regarding the primary photography wanted the whole feature shot on film. The old-timer who also had a great deal of input as to the primary photography desired to shoot the entire production with a digital camera. Can you imagine that, i.e. the role reversal aspect?

Anyway, to make a long story short, they decided to roughly split the difference and use both a film camera and a digital camera for capture. See if you can recognize which scenes were captured with which type of camera. You’ll probably figure it out but, I’ll bet that if you go to the cinema with a group of friends or colleagues, they will have a tough time even noticing any difference related to capture device.

b.t.w.– don’t bother on checking the tech specs for this film on imdb because the last I noticed, they are incomplete or non-specific.

Interesting. Wasn't the same approach used with Apolcalypto? If I recall correctly they used both film and digital cameras, though it is easy to tell which shot uses what given the grain structure.

[DaViD Boulet]

So, if the A-man starts talking in terms of BD defense, I think perhaps we should shine the spotlight back. He's fighting lossless audio too. Is it just coincidence that everything he takes a swipe at happens to need the BD bandwidth to accomplish?

What comments has he made? Where has he made them?

[space2001]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Trivia …………………
What is the first motion picture (feature length) to have been shot in 4K and to have been posted entirely in 4K (meaning every single stinkin frame!). It actually screened earlier this month in L.A. on one of Sony’s 4K projectors.

P.S.
Maybe I shouldn’t have used the word “trivia” above because this actually indicates that slowly (very slowly) but surely the cost of storage is continuing to drop.

hmm. I thought Spiderman 2 was the first in 4k it was even shot and all the fx where rendered out at 4k.

But I believe it that Levar Burton Movie

Reach for Me

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by savage1984

Just a guess... is it Lawrence of Arabia???

Savage,
Perhaps I wasn’t being clear. I was referring to a feature length motion picture captured with a 4K digital camera (in this case the Dalsa Origin).
I’m sure you’re aware that LoA was captured with a Panavision 65mm film cam. Actually, last I heard one of these was floating around the internet for sale by a camera collector.
So,if you’ve got a spare 50 or 60K lying around you can pick yourself up a piece of camera memorabilia.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Kris Deering

Interesting. Wasn't the same approach used with Apolcalypto? If I recall correctly they used both film and digital cameras, though it is easy to tell which shot uses what given the grain structure.

Good memory Kris.
Not exactly the same however because I think that the sequences which are most evident as being *different* to critical observers were those that were captured with 16mm film cameras. Also, the funny thing about Deception is that the young dude (the Director) wanted a film camera for the entire production and the old timer (DP) desired to go digital for the whole show. They each compromised.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DaViD Boulet

What comments has he made? Where has he made them?

Apparently Alan knows………………….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2439

^
(the PM was about something else, so I have no link)

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Savage,
Perhaps I wasn’t being clear. I was referring to a feature length motion picture captured with a 4K digital camera (in this case the Dalsa Origin).
I’m sure you’re aware that LoA was captured with a Panavision 65mm film cam. Actually, last I heard one of these was floating around the internet for sale by a camera collector.
So,if you’ve got a spare 50 or 60K lying around you can pick yourself up a piece of camera memorabilia.

whoops.

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

He's fighting lossless audio too.

Just out of curiosity, are you referring to Bill or Amir, because Bill is fighting FOR it, and Amir is saying it's unneccesary (which isn't exactly fighting it, but more like "toeing the line").

~Alan

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by space2001

Reach for Me

Correct.
The operative word here is “complete” 4K digital pipeline.
There has to be a link about this presentation somewhere on the internet. I suggest you search under the title and "Chris Cookson" or the title and "Andrew Stucker".

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Apparently Alan knows………………….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...postcount=2439

^
(the PM was about something else, so I have no link)

Ask and ye shall receive:

Heresy: TrueHD sounds no better than DD?

~Alan

[Penton-Man]

Now forgive me as I’ve got to go to Hollywood……………………..
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=u2TLAxTY9Xs

^
No, I have no idea if the above title is coming to Blu-ray.
I just love the song and the heritage of the film.

[MerrickG]

Penton (or any other insider who might read this),
Here is an honest question:

Do the studios honestly expect bluray to be as successful as DVD was?

To me that is the equivalent of expecting a new talented basketball player to be as successful as Michael Jordan or a new soccer player to be as successful as David Beckham or Ronaldo?

Or they just expect bluray to be profitable and have success on its own and not being judged as DVD part 2.

Yes, Im aware that I posted this in other insider threads.

Anyone can feel free to comment.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mhafner

Where is paidgeek?.........

Please be informed that the priorities of a fellow anonymous Insider
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showpost.p...&postcount=519

have shifted more in favor of his principle work obligations. I would not expect regular appearances by him in the future to simply answer members questions. I feel certain however that when lack of appropriate information is significantly harming the Blu-ray format he will gladly jump back in to contribute in his area of expertise.

Please be understanding as his executive status is at least a level above Corporate V.P. and his calendar is packed.