"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by dialog_gvf

Unless they decide to double dip, haven't they effectively delayed LOA on BD with this development?

We potentially get a much better result, but it is still a delay.

Gary

That's definitely what it sounds like. But like the video game, HAZE, due out in a couple weeks, the delays are for the better. I would happily wait a little longer for a completely remastered version. Or in the case of HAZE, ironing out the kinks.

[mhafner]

Damn, I don't visit this thread for a day and major stuff goes down.
LOA restored in 4K???
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!
YEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEEES!
YESSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSSS!
Is Robert Harris involved?
Can they use the ON? It's not printable, but probably still scannable, frame by frame.
Finally the 'banding' in some desert shots can be fixed.

[Alan Gordon]

Originally Posted by Josh

If LOA is coming out, does that mean sales of Passage to India have met or exceeded expectations?

Off-topic, but my copy shipped this week (I should have it this weekend or Monday)...

~Alan

[Xorp]

Originally Posted by mhafner

Damn, I don't visit this thread for a day and major stuff goes down.
LOA restored in 4K???
YES YES YES YES YES YES YES YES!

Doesn't 70mm go into the 8K range in terms of resolvable detail? I know it doesn't affect the BD release, but don't you think they should go all out on this particular transfer?

[IMind]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, I was feeling a little guilty because I was thinking how few people are probably familiar with the intricacies/companies that deal with large format scanners so I thought I would pass out a more *layman* type hint.

Hehehe... as more of layman I'll say it wasn't too bad as I now know more about large format scanners and the companies that deal with them than I would have otherwise.

While I love movies I haven't spent a ton of time reading up on the restoration processes/scanning process so thanks for the education.

[Deciazulado]

Originally Posted by Xorp

Doesn't 70mm go into the 8K range in terms of resolvable detail? I know it doesn't affect the BD release, but don't you think they should go all out on this particular transfer?

I think the Northlight does 5 perf 65mm at 6K across the width so about near 3000 x 6000 pixels, depends on the pitch they use which should be near 120 p/mm

[mhafner]

Originally Posted by Xorp

Doesn't 70mm go into the 8K range in terms of resolvable detail? I know it doesn't affect the BD release, but don't you think they should go all out on this particular transfer?

LOA has about 6K max according to a study. So they will likely scan > 4K and finish in 4K. 4K for final master is plenty. 65mm film's (as in LOA) MTF is such that beyond 4K MTF is way down so it makes no difference if you project at 4K or 6K, if you could. Sharpness/detail is the same to the eye.

[desmond]

4k LOA... Wow!

[saprano]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

B.T.W.
We’re only going to call in Bob Harris to do some of the work on this restoration if he promises to wear white gloves like Marty ………….

http://www.scorsesefilmfreixenet.com/video_eng.htm

wow amazing, is that scorsese film already released? or is he still working on it? interesting about the missing pages.

[Cruyff14]

I have to ask, why on earth would Sony restore Lawrence Of Arabia when it already was restored to near perfection by Robert Harris in the eighties?
A new transfer of the restoration negative (I assume that the original negative is not usable anymore as the Eastmancolor stock was already near its end of life when Robert Harris worked with it) I can understand but a complete new restoration sounds dubious to me.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Deciazulado

I think the Northlight does 5 perf 65mm at 6K across the width so about near 3000 x 6000 pixels, depends on the pitch they use which should be near 120 p/mm

Thanks for the coverage Deci.
I may need your(and others ) further input on this thread more often as I’m being bombarded with things to do and my presence here will thusly be adversely effected.

For the 65mm. film format, I believe this scanner’s advertised capabilities are 8k x 6k, 5.5k x 4k, 4k x 3k.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Cruyff14

I have to ask, why on earth would Sony restore Lawrence Of Arabia when it already was restored to near perfection by Robert Harris in the eighties?
A new transfer of the restoration negative (I assume that the original negative is not usable anymore as the Eastmancolor stock was already near its end of life when Robert Harris worked with it) I can understand but a complete new restoration sounds dubious to me.

That is the last question that I can take on this topic as this has barely reached the “work in progress” stage and I’m hesitant to provide any further details as it would be disrespectful to the individuals directly involved or the dept. in general.

To answer your question the best I’m at liberty to do……scanning of the LoA negative (large format) is under testing right now.

[JAGUAR1977]

The BDA need to get their priorities in order!

Whats the point of restoring and releasing classic movies, Blockbusters, whatever, if there aren't any full spec, affordable, players out there!

No wonder sales of these titles are poor, we can't bloody play them unless you have a PS3!!!!

Sorry, but we've gone beyond the point of buying any old crappy hardware, we want full spec, affordable players...........you know, this decade!

I'm amazed how uterly shambolic the state of Blu-ray hardware still is, thank god for the PS3!

[Rob Tomlin]

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[ryoohki]

Originally Posted by Rob Tomlin

Is this for real?

Well he's from UK.. price are $$$ there and they are less model to choose from..

[savage1984]

Originally Posted by JAGUAR1977

The BDA need to get their priorities in order!

Whats the point of restoring and releasing classic movies, Blockbusters, whatever, if there aren't any full spec, affordable, players out there!

No wonder sales of these titles are poor, we can't bloody play them unless you have a PS3!!!!

Sorry, but we've gone beyond the point of buying any old crappy hardware, we want full spec, affordable players...........you know, this decade!

I'm amazed how uterly shambolic the state of Blu-ray hardware still is, thank god for the PS3!

Dude, if you recall DVD was in the same boat at this same time in its evolutionary cycle. As a society we are impatient, but prices will drop in the holidays. 2009 will be the year blu-ray really anchors in to the masses.

[Seretur]

I'm in the Adriatic.

And while I know we've had civilization for roughly two thousand years longer than the British (and that the Americans are a blip on the radar), I've been buying Region A titles like a happy hippogriff for a year now.

What's the problem with Region B exactly? The Panny DM-BD50 got announced there earlier than for the US, and fully-featured Profile 2.0 players will be abundant within the next six months. Sure it pays to stick with the blippy Americans, but it's not like the BDA has been treating Europe with disdain.

And what's wrong with the PS3? It's a dang good machine, even if it doesn't have analogue audio outputs. May it forever be the extent of its shortcomings.

Great news on LOA, btw! Any and all David Lean is an immediate preorder in my household/lair.

[Penton-Man]

Here’s a heads-up to a good thread in our Tech forum, in case anybody here missed it.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread.php?t=49232&page=9

To all the Blu-ray Mom’s out there (on earth or in heaven)…………………….
Have a great Mother’s Day ! this weekend.

[Robert Siegel]

I havn't been able to read the threads for some time and finally caught up on this one and what great news of LOA. My hats off to Sony for doing this, very exciting. Now my prayers go out that one day Sony will be fixing the huge problems with "Oliver" and "Funny Girl" and I will be a very happy man. Thanks Penton for the LOA info.

[blitz6speed]

Penton..

I went to the 70mm showing of Lawrence of Arabia.

Let me say offhand, id only seen the first hour or so of Lawrence in 720p and never finished watching it, i liked what i saw however.

So i went to see the movie in 70mm today and i can just say, i was BLOWN away. The acting, the score, the amazing backdrops and cinematography, just absolutely awesome. One of the best movies ive ever seen. The PQ was absolutely amazing, some of the scenes look like they were shot in HD Cam the day before, they were so clean (especially when lawrence is on the beach with the camel).

Anyhow, thanks for giving us a heads up about the showing, very very happy i went and loved it so much. Cannot wait for the new transfer BD. Tell the guys at sony they have 4 copies sold here (1 for me, 3 for buddys).