4K Movies Releases

[Penton-Man]

Finished in 4K, Terrence Malick’s Knight of Cups…..
http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2101383/...ef_=tt_dt_spec

[Penton-Man]

^
Shot by Chivo….

Knight of Cups Official Trailer #1 (2015) - Christian Bale, Natalie Portman Movie HD - YouTube

[reanimator]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That'd better not be a launch title from Sony.

Sold!

[Wendell R. Breland]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Finished in 4K, Terrence Malick’s Knight of Cups…..

Will this be a shaky cam fest like his past movies? If so, it would probably like fine in 720 . A pass for me!

[Penton-Man]

Regarding the topic of Netflix, 4K files and IMF -

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Netflix receives Breaking Bad 4K files as a high quality (QC-ed master level) source format (cutely described by some involved as the ‘impossible missions force’) with JPEG 2000 as the codec used to encode the imagery to which they then generate HEVC transcodes from….to then deliver to their subscribers.

A presentation follow-up about the Netflix tech Requirements ….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhls...utu.be&t=3m57s

Now, only if we lived in a perfectly connected world (at least in my neighborhood) and they could deliver the derived end (consumer) product into my home by that darn internet as well as a UHD Blu-ray disc can.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

That'd better not be a launch title from Sony.

You holding out for the Adam Sandler Supreme UHD Blu-ray Series, or what.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Reminder

And after today’s ^ event for locals there is the AbelCine HDR training event….
http://training.abelcine.com/event/h...5-los-angeles/

C'mon other camera manufacturers, keep up, as there's life beyond definition (high resolution)......

[Derb]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Regarding the topic of Netflix, 4K files and IMF -

A presentation follow-up about the Netflix tech Requirements ….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nhls...utu.be&t=3m57s

Now, only if we lived in a perfectly connected world (at least in my neighborhood) and they could deliver the derived end (consumer) product into my home by that darn internet as well as a UHD Blu-ray disc can.

Breaking Bad & House of Cards & Marco Polo are the only shows that look good on Netflix. I briefly watched some of the films from Sony while I was south side & Smurfs looked real good. Back up north, there are no films shown on Netflix. They seem to be putting every "Orginal" Netflix program on their 4K slider. Shows like Daredevil & a few more I can't think off the top of my head that are heavily compressed. So much so, I checked my internet (wired) connection & nothing wrong there.

My confidence in Netflix bringing us high quality 4K streams has dropped. My VCR is laughing at some of these 4K images.

[d514]

Strange. Breaking Bad UHD has visible compression artefacts. Very visible for example in the sky at the beginning of the first episode. Daredevil UHD on the other hand looked great for me.

[vargo]

Breaking Bad was their first HEVC/4K offering. It was encoded with what was then an immature HEVC encoder, and they may also have used slightly compromised encoding settings so as to speed up the encoding process.

Over the life of 4K HEVC streaming, three things will happen:
-Better encoders due to maturity, experience and competition
-Willingness to use stronger encoding settings due to faster hardware
-Willingness to use higher bitrates due to increasing broadband speeds/caps.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vargo

Breaking Bad was their first HEVC/4K offering. It was encoded with what was then an immature HEVC encoder...

Codec development and encoder refinement…..calls for a Throwback Thursday post (brace yourselves celebrity guru lapdogs)….. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Zd...utu.be&t=7m11s

Joe ^, thee ‘motivation’ ^ was not “greed”, from nearly a year ago...

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

everyone (Insiders) in the industry knew that Sony was actively investigating using advanced codecs and although not formally announced, the intention was to move to h.264 in time once it had been fully baked. This was no secret among those in the industry nor even some regular readers of this forum (especially the moderators), nor members of other forums where mpeg2 vs. D5 master demos had been publically presented - http://www.avforums.com/threads/just...eklund.413203/.

If any of the Sony hacked emails (from ’05-’06) have made it online for the public to read from the then SPHE President Ben Feingold to others inside and outside the company regarding using h.264 for Blu-ray movies, they will show documented proof of the intention for usage of this codec.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

And after today’s ^ event for locals there is the AbelCine HDR training event….
http://training.abelcine.com/event/h...5-los-angeles/

C'mon other camera manufacturers, keep up, as there's life beyond definition (high resolution).....

To those sports fans out there, or heck, for anyone planning to watch live TV in the future, for that matter, I would be remiss not to point out that the live production shooting 4K/HD HDC-4300 camera has the capacity to transmit S-Log (see last page) back to a switcher to allow one to switch live into an HDR program as recently tested by Sky Deutschland…..http://www.insideci.co.uk/news/sky-l...-coverage.aspx

Next, after careful study, we have to agree on what’s the best approach among the two contenders and the live HDR tv ducks will be beginning to get all in line for the consumer.

[Penton-Man]

^ Reminds me, I’m not finished with the theme from the last post from yesterday….need a few minutes to search for an old document.....for the lapdogs.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Codec development and encoder refinement…..calls for a Throwback Thursday post (brace yourselves celebrity guru lapdogs)….. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-_Zd...utu.be&t=7m11s

Joe ^, thee ‘motivation’ ^ was not “greed”, from nearly a year ago...

If any of the Sony hacked emails (from ’05-’06) have made it online for the public to read from the then SPHE President Ben Feingold to others inside and outside the company regarding using h.264 for Blu-ray movies, they will show documented proof of the intention for usage of this codec.

On talking-head shows, I’m alerted that it is not uncommon for Joe to get it all wrong. His smug response in this other YouTube clip kind of reminds me of the Al Gore claim that Gore invented the internet.

I’d forgotten another reference that should be added to that list in the hyperlinked post in the above paragraph…. in so much as anyone conscientiously serving on the respective Working Party back in 2012 for the premiere organization for determining quality and establishing standards related to UHDTV, etc., was also well aware of the fact that the Dolby proposal was about much more than “specular highlights”, as indicated by Joe…..for Craig and Scott (D.) submitted an extensive ~ 80 page report detailing Dolby’s HDR (or EDR, if you will) proposal to the working party.

That Dolby document was submitted a full year prior to that YouTube “geek” *interview*. It described black level and diffuse white as well as highlights as contributors to the Dolby high dynamic range solution, also detailing bit depths, described the calculation of the Perceptual Curve EOTF for converting digital video code values into absolute linear luminance levels at the point of display, and vice versa. Just too much to type out here. I guess Joe Kane never read it - http://www.itu.int/md/R12-WP6C.AR-C-0052/en

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

On talking-head shows, I’m alerted that it is not uncommon for Joe to get it all wrong. His smug response in this other YouTube clip kind of reminds me of the Al Gore claim that Gore invented the internet.

Kane also backed HD DVD over Blu-ray and dismissed DVD as a format in 1997, refusing to see the end of the road for the LaserDisc format as the preferred way for videophiles to watch films at home (DVD was "too mainstream" to be taken seriously).


He's in pretty tight with Gary Reber. Maybe because DTS doesn't have an HDR format to push he's preemptively dismissing Dolby's research.


And not to pick nits: Gore didn't claim to have invented the internet, he merely implied it wouldn't have been successful without him.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Kane also backed HD DVD over Blu-ray and dismissed DVD as a format in 1997, refusing to see the end of the road for the LaserDisc format as the preferred way for videophiles to watch films at home (DVD was "too mainstream" to be taken seriously).

He's in pretty tight with Gary Reber. Maybe because DTS doesn't have an HDR format to push he's preemptively dismissing Dolby's research.

Often, I have a difficult time differentiating if Joe produces these inaccuracies secondary to plain lack of education or, as you say, perhaps some vested interest in promoting good collegial relationships, be it for personal or financial symbiosis. But I believe the former was clearly the cause as to Day 1 (the Saturday version) of the 2014 Value Electronics Shootout which was livestreamed on the internet, in which I mentioned his lack of knowledge regarding the digital intermediate workflow of The Amazing Spider-Man 2, from 8-17-2014....

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I didn’t get to watch the Scarsdale shootout yesterday, but a friend who did, mentioned to me that he stated during his presentation that Spider-Man (2) was the first feature film finished entirely in 4K and specifically mentioned that workflow included all special effects in 4K. That is just plain wrong…and rudimentarily wrong to anyone familiar with post production from that time or simply now.

As an aside, heck, even the recent Tomorrowland didn’t get all of its vfx rendered in 4K....

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

...the workflow was shot specific. Many vfx shots demanded 4K detail to look the best they could, so the *process* was 4K all the way through, e.g. the elements were produced in 4K, the renders were rendered in 4K and they were output in 4K.

Although, for some shots, the elements were built in 2K, then up-rezed to 4K and then output to 4K. Begs the question…Which shots and how was it determined whether to do an up-rez phase rather than a ‘pure’ 4K process all the way through to final output? Well, shots with motion or those that were dark had their elements built in 2K and up-rezed to 4K because side-by-side testing with observers sitting very close to a big screen determined that viewers couldn’t tell the difference with such fast motion or light deprived shots.

Anyway, aside aside, whereas, then on Day 2 (the Sunday version of his presentation at the 2014 Value Electronics shootout)…..the one which eventually made it onto the YouTube, about a month later, Joe completely changed his presentation to simply state that “the first modern film that actually had a 4K master was Spider-Man 2”.

Perhaps a caring soul who reads this forum regularly like Robert Z. or David Mackenzie at the event gave him a heads-up as to the constructive criticism after the Saturday presentation (Version 1) blunder?

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

And not to pick nits: Gore didn't claim to have invented the internet, he merely implied it wouldn't have been successful without him.

Good to hear . I didn’t know that.

[spectre08]

Originally Posted by Wendell R. Breland

Will this be a shaky cam fest like his past movies? If so, it would probably like fine in 720 . A pass for me!

I don't know about shaky cam, but you can count on plenty of shots of windows and lots of people's hair blowing in the wind.

[Penton-Man]

4K DCP for War Room (2015)
Image Format: 4096 x 1716 (Scope)
Audio Format: 5.1
File Size: 200 GB

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vargo

Breaking Bad was their first HEVC/4K offering.

http://hd-report.com/2015/08/28/netf...ailable-in-4k/
at the time of this post, 9.4 rating from 516 users - http://www.imdb.com/title/tt2707408/

[Richard Paul]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Often, I have a difficult time differentiating if Joe produces these inaccuracies secondary to plain lack of education or, as you say, perhaps some vested interest in promoting good collegial relationships, be it for personal or financial symbiosis.
...

I remember a podcast with Joe Kane in which he said that the bit depth for UHDTV would have to go to 16-bits since the color space was twice as big as HDTV. On a podcast a few months later for the same website he said 12-bits would be needed for UHDTV so someone must have explained binary math to him. I found it interesting that on both podcasts he sounded confident in what he said.