"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Alan Gordon

Penton,
Almost 2 years isn't "soon", but it looks like it's coming shortly:
Amazon Pre-Order

~Alan

Dude……………
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yiwYc7CKgPQ

I hope that there are no further delays as the juice is definitely worth the squeeze.
Also, the film is of great sentimental value for those that attended Georgetown Univ......and the soundtrack rocks.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

I agree about the probable lack of influence of AVS which certainly has not been made better by the overcritical reception of both TDK and Baraka.

lol, probable?
How many views are they up to on michel's 'I hate dnr and ee thread' and Foxy's 'Grain gives me a resolution boner thread', something like 150,000 views by now and didn't michel start his thread back in 2007 or something?

You have a funny sense of the definiton of "probable".

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

In the end though I cannot feel anything positive about a subpar release as I am still in this to watch movies in the quality that the Blu-Ray format permits, so I would be happy if more studios would follow the leaders in release quality, regardless of what is written on AVS or not.

So, are you trying to tell me that you would appreciate it if I would approach the people at Paramount and ask them to be more judicious with the application of digital noise reduction on the Director’s Cuts of Star Trek when they eventually get released?

Funny tidbit – there are several recent anecdotes in the annals of colorists, during a hectic day on the job, of a colorist running from one digital intermediate suite where the client shot on film and wanted some of the grain removed and then shortly thereafter, going across the hall to another suite in which a client that shot with a digital camera desired some grain added.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Grubert

So it's a positive thing that a studio can get away with releasing a suboptimal Blu-ray... because that proves that AVS doesn't matter to the studios.

We know that there are many viewing alternatives on the internet related to the discussion of Blu-ray product and we here at Blu-ray.com thank you for choosing us as your primary entertainment value.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

How many views are they up to on michel's 'I hate dnr and ee thread' and Foxy's 'Grain gives me a resolution boner thread', something like 150,000 views by now and didn't michel start his thread back in 2007 or something?

You have a funny sense of the definiton of "probable".

So... the more that people over there demonstrate their interest in these topics, the less that interest matters to the studios?

I could certainly understand why hysterics, hyperbole and untruths spread as gospel might turn the studio folk off, but I fail to grasp your logic suggesting it to be intuitively obvious that increased page-views equates to decreased credibility.

[mikey p]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I could certainly understand why hysterics, hyperbole and untruths spread as gospel might turn the studio folk off, but I fail to grasp your logic suggesting it to be intuitively obvious that increased page-views equates to decreased credibility.

Could be the fact that this guy (and some otheres) can't just give an opinion, they're rabid and can't let go?

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

lol, probable?
How many views are they up to on michel's 'I hate dnr and ee thread' and Foxy's 'Grain gives me a resolution boner thread', something like 150,000 views by now and didn't michel start his thread back in 2007 or something?

You have a funny sense of the definiton of "probable".

I am trying to tread lightly here - after all I am not the one who could answer that question with any authority

I wonder why you are singling out Foxy's thread as the idea to bring attention to movies that are deserving can hardly be seen as something negative in my opinion.
I won't comment on the other thread as I do not really post in it - I do not try to dwell too much on negatives - life is too short.

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

So, are you trying to tell me that you would appreciate it if I would approach the people at Paramount and ask them to be more judicious with the application of digital noise reduction on the Director’s Cuts of Star Trek when they eventually get released?

I have to admit that this thought had crossed my mind and it would indeed be much appreciated !

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Funny tidbit – there are several recent anecdotes in the annals of colorists, during a hectic day on the job, of a colorist running from one digital intermediate suite where the client shot on film and wanted some of the grain removed and then shortly thereafter, going across the hall to another suite in which a client that shot with a digital camera desired some grain added.

It's a strange world we are living in Would be cool if at some point you could point out the movies in question when they are out on Blu-Ray. I am curious how they will compare.

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Foxy's 'Grain gives me a resolution boner thread',

I'm not sure I agree 100% with your thread summary there. To quote the first post of the thread:

Originally Posted by FoxyMulder

The Film Has Already Been Made - Reproduce it

Film is a beautiful medium and should be treated with respect which means being faithful to the director or cinematographers intent when transferring the film to a home format such as Blu Ray. For the first time ever we are able to replicate the cinema experience in our homes and this thread is dedicated to this hobby and to the enjoyment we all get from collecting our favorite films.

This page is not intended as a demo material thread but is intended to highlight those films which have been transferred to Blu Ray and retain as much as possible their original cinema look - It does not matter if the film has grain or has a soft look or has a dark and stylistic look which would normally see such films being given low marks by those who want eye candy but what matters is that the film has not suffered excessive DNR or excessive EE or other such issues related to film transfers. You will find some eye candy titles here but you will also find many great films which have been under appreciated because of the cinematography choices made at the time of filming.

The artistic integrity of the film makers are the main concern of this thread although artistic intent is not always easy to judge so sometimes it will be a best guess situation especially on older titles but if we look at who the director and cinematographer is and check out other films they made around the same time period and use IMDB to check out the film camera's used and the film stock used and check against other films made using those camera's and film stock and perhaps also use the internet and magazines and articles we can sometimes draw conclusions as to how certain films should look.

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[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

It's a strange world we are living in

It doesn't seem so strange to me. Look at music production- some folks want their records to sound like overloaded magnetic tape, some want hard, clean digital. Any artistic medium with a deep enough vocabulary to allow its practitioners a little expressive freedom is going to reveal a variety of tastes. And that breadth is what makes it worth looking at.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Grubert

I'm not sure I agree 100% with your thread summary there.

It did make me laugh, though.

[Grubert]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

It doesn't seem so strange to me. Look at music production- some folks want their records to sound like overloaded magnetic tape, some want hard, clean digital. Any artistic medium with a deep enough vocabulary to allow its practitioners a little expressive freedom is going to reveal a variety of tastes. And that breadth is what makes it worth looking at.

Except what we have here is not manipulation by the artist, which is very respectable.

What we have here is manipulation of an existing work, years after it has been done, by people other than the artist(s), with the end result of a rendering of the work substantially different from how it originally looked.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Grubert

Except what we have here is not manipulation by the artist, which is very respectable.

What we have here is manipulation of an existing work, years after it has been done, by people other than the artist(s), with the end result of a rendering of the work substantially different from how it originally looked.

Sure. I guess I should've supplied the caveat that I'm talking about the closer-to-ideal circumstances in which filmmaker participation informs the decisions.

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

It doesn't seem so strange to me. Look at music production- some folks want their records to sound like overloaded magnetic tape, some want hard, clean digital. Any artistic medium with a deep enough vocabulary to allow its practitioners a little expressive freedom is going to reveal a variety of tastes. And that breadth is what makes it worth looking at.

It is still funny that in the end the digitally shot movie might have more grain (or something that looks like it) than the movie that was actually shot on film

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

I wonder why you are singling out Foxy's thread as the idea to bring attention to movies that are deserving can hardly be seen as something negative in my opinion.
I won't comment on the other thread as I do not really post in it - I do not try to dwell too much on negatives - life is too short.

Foxy amuses me. He essentially has his own futile crusade going against *dnr* and just uses a more ‘noble’ title and introduction than does michel of “the other thread”, who is more pragmatic and actually far more knowledgeable on the subject.

That *science* ‘Grain gives me a Resolution Boner’ thread is laced with inaccurate observations and speculations concerning grain.
Somebody once sent me a PM with a link that Josh Zyber posted about that thread where even he (an avid AVS supporter) didn’t believe that much of the observations on that thread were accurate. It may still even be posted somewhere on that thread unless Josh went back after the fact and deleted it….or it was deleted by the administration over there.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

I have to admit that this thought had crossed my mind and it would indeed be much appreciated !

Well hell, that’s all you gotta say.
It would be my pleasure.

I’ll have a talk with Smitty.
These people really have good intentions and put out the best available product they can, that circumstances allow.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Grubert

I'm not sure I agree 100% with your thread summary there. To quote the first post of the thread:

Grub, see my post above as to the 'noble' appearing title and introduction concerning Foxy's thread that I just made to Oliver.
Often times, in reality, that thread just serves as a guise by some to bash movies that they think are not worthy of "nomination".

Grubert, I realize that this subject is close to your heart………
http://www.nosolohd.com/viewtopic.ph...st=0&sk=t&sd=a

and has been so for a long time ^. But, I don’t much care if you disagree with me as to the credibility or industry influence as to some threads on the internet, just as I didn’t care that “Harmonica” posted that nonsense about thee old Technicolor Digital Intermediates somewhere half way down that page linked above, in other words, his rant was wasted energy.

P.S.
Is Harmonica using the “F” word in Spanish in that post?

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

It is still funny that in the end the digitally shot movie might have more grain (or something that looks like it) than the movie that was actually shot on film

Truly…….. the joke going around was that maybe the post house should have a plastic or PVC pipe installed from one non linear color grading suite to the other to transport the excess grain from one machine to the other machine across the hall.

You know…….think green and recycle everything these days.

[Doctorossi]

Stepping radically far away from inter-internet politics for a moment, I've got a left-field rhetorical a-brewin'. To wit:



Is it just me or is a single-tire rule in MotoGP, of all places, the stupidest idea ever?! We're in the bleeding-edge prototype series, ostensibly designed to push the envelope of product development, and what is our limiting factor? Tires. So we're going to eliminate development of the part that needs development the most?! We're going to risk alienating future developmental competition around this part?! WHAT ARE YOU DOING? Yeah, yeah- "limiting top speed"- blah, blah, blah... Unless your stated purpose for/philosophy of the series is but an utter joke, find another way!



Thanks. Had to get that off my chest.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Truly…….. the joke going around was that maybe the post house should have a plastic or PVC pipe installed from one non linear color grading suite to the other to transport the excess grain from one machine to the other machine across the hall.

Maybe they could tap a little off, drop it in a baggie and mail it to scienceland to apply as they see fit.