"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[GGX]

Originally Posted by Objectivity

Apologies for replying to a relatively old post, but I think this got lost a bit when the conversation spun into a different direction.

I'm a bit baffled by the arrogance (for lack of a better word) that comes from assuming that you'd be qualified to force your personal preference onto potentially millions of other people.

Not watching a movie if you didn't speak the language is your choice. Removing dubs from all movies to prevent others from choosing differently is oppressive.

I'm sure there's an artistic integrity element to your beliefs, but to me it's also an issue of the winner setting the rules (if you had Gates fortune). How would that be any different than someone who hates subtitles with Gates fortune removing all subtitles from movies because the words on screen distract from the visual integrity of the image?

I think if anything, there should be separate releases altogether for people looking for dubs. Leave my movies alone and give me only the original language!

[Stacey Spears]

Now, impress me and tell me who that bearded fellow is with the lady in the pic on the far left.

Its not Henry Thomas
Its not Oprah Winfrey
Its not Warren Beatty
Its not Tim Curry

Is it Huge Jackman?

I give up...

[sharkshark]

God, a guy goes out for a few hours and a contest breaks out!

At first I thought it was this guy, some "old" director that once upon a time wrote one of the finer scenes in any shark film:



Then I thought it was Vilmos:



...But if the hints above are to be believed, I guess it's some tech person who chimes in on forums all the time experienced and erudite discussions about the technical and aethetic aspects of film production and presentation...

Something "Munsil", no?

Nah, that can't be it... Hrm, I hereby let the Doc win.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Is this a sharkshark only competition? 'Cause I know who it is.

Ooh! I know! I know! Pick me!

After shark googles his arse off trying to figure out who he is....and now I see, apparently is unsuccessful, you have the privilege to step up and tell us the correct way one pronounces his last name.....if of course you've ever heard his name spoken in your travels.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Stacey Spears

Its not Henry Thomas
Its not Oprah Winfrey
Its not Warren Beatty
Its not Tim Curry

Is it Huge Jackman?

I give up...

Yeah, I had forgotten about you too.
The “bearded” fellow has way too many admirers, one being Stacey Spears.

[sharkshark]

Oh, fine...



I think that's even the same outfit.

http://www.cinematographers.nl/PaginasDoPh/daviau.htm

[Torsten Kaiser TLE]

Re: 4K or any K and its correlation to sharpness your point is very much in target. The choices made and circumstance on the set and in the lab during development and duplication is what determines the outcome more than anything else. Yes, scanning with oversampling can help quite a bit (in fact, we just worked on a 4K project where we could make good use of the oversampling), but it does not make a beauty queen out of a filmelement that simply was not made to look like one.

Re: Academy Aperture scanning - there are ways around it, which is important especially in restoration & preservation.

Re: Blu-ray vs. release prints in theaters: yes, they should look - in some cases, depending on the accuracy of the printing process, substantially - better since they are coming from a much superior source. What worries me in the mastering process as well as in also some cases of "restoration" especially since the introduction of scanning from Original Camera Negative sources at high resolution is that sometimes the reference is more based on individual perceptions, which can be tainted by modern productions rather than the true reference material a film was made for: screening. That answer print or reference master positives are often ignored. An example: To this day STAR TREK: First Contact has not been released on HV they way it was meant to be seen; and even though the Blu-ray is an improvement over the DVD and most certainly the Laserdisc issues the light setting and color values are still not anywhere near the beautiful work that was done photochemically post Intermediate Negative status. The set of the bridge of the Enterprise is exposed as just that and the hallway sequences when the Borg board the ship and clash with the crew are revealing, but for all the wrong reasons as these shots do not show the wonderfully dark, deep blue (pardon the pun) dissolving into a velvety black character the sequences had on the big screen. The (re-)masters are usually done on the IP or IN level; and as in this case sometimes without considering what the original people in the photochemical depts did together with the producers (technical crew) of the picture. It is as if you would hand the raw materials of a perfectly finished DI to a different colorist and let him (without guidance) have "a go" at it. The result between his work and the other DI will almost definitively be different.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I added desert…………….
https://forum.blu-ray.com/2838791-post63.html

I hope I didn’t mess up on my pixel counts because I typed up that post rather quickly and under the influence of a sugar (in coffee) high…..nevertheless, I think I made the *scanner resolution does not necessarily equal Blu-ray movie sharpness* point crystal clear for future reference as more titles come down the 4k digital pipeline.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

Oh, fine...

I think that's even the same outfit.
http://www.cinematographers.nl/PaginasDoPh/daviau.htm

So, you were playing possum!
You sneaky devil.

Take the online test and see how you do………
http://media.panavision.com/Screenin...ox_Office.html

At the digital screening up in Woodland Hills, the professional cinematographers and others with imagery experience who were in attendance had the same difficulty in confidently differentiating the film from the digital acquisition.
Of course, the color science of the Genesis is extremely close to that of Kodak’s Vision 2 5218 [500T].

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Torsten Kaiser TLE

Re: Academy Aperture scanning - there are ways around it, which is important especially in restoration & preservation.

Yeeeeeah, I know.
You would be surprised how quickly and how many PMs I received from industry folks, preferring to remain anonymous, who quoted that exact same phrase I wrote, as you just did.

Good to see you back....I caught your post on RAH’s Insider’s thread too.

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

So, you were playing possum!
You sneaky devil.

Moi?

Take the online test and see how you do………
http://media.panavision.com/Screenin...ox_Office.html

Fun test, I'm hooking up the QT file to my Kuro... I take it that it was close enough that Mazda decided to shoot digitally...

[cjamescook]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

...What you're seeing right now is the death of bad habits, combined with small companies using the broadcast masters they have in their archives instead of paying for new ones (when it comes to films, like Alliance does)

I lost the sense of your statement here. Are you saying Alliance does pay for new masters or does not do so?

[GGX]

Originally Posted by cjamescook

I lost the sense of your statement here. Are you saying Alliance does pay for new masters or does not do so?

It's pretty obvious that they do not.

[Vincent Pereira]

BTW I have to confess that I disregarded Penton and my post last night was in fact a hint- Anne Rice is Allen Daviau's cousin

Vincent

[Jeff Kleist]

Alliance does not as a rule. They're using their broadcast masters since they can no longer invest in New Line's discs

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Vincent Pereira

BTW I have to confess that I disregarded Penton and my post last night was in fact a hint- Anne Rice is Allen Daviau's cousin

Vincent

It's NOLA, I'm sure everyone's a cousin somehow...

Did you work with him or sumthin?

[Vincent Pereira]

No, but I was at a 'surprise' screening of the restored THE GODFATHER that Daviau spoke at, along with Robert Harris and Gordon Willis all being interviewed by Janet Maslin. But that's not why I know that Daviau is Anne Rice's cousin. The reason for my obscure knowledge (not even on IMDB amazingly) that Daviau is Anne Rice's cousin dates to an old interview that Anne Rice did some years before the eventual INTERVIEW WITH THE VAMPIRE movie was made (in Fangoria magazine probably, I'm going on memory here), where she was asked who she would want to make a film of said book and she said she wanted Ridley Scott to direct it, Rutger Hauer to play Lestat, and "my cousin Allen Daviau" to be the cinematographer. That always stuck in my mind and I'm surprised it's not more common knowledge.

Vincent

[Jeff Kleist]

Rutger Hauer is an intriguing choice for Lestat, but I'd have to see him do it. He never was much of a prettyboy, about the only thing Cruise had going for him was that he fit the look I always pictured when I read it. Ridley Scott probably would have done interesting stuff with it as well. I'm honestly suprised that with sparkly vampire mania running around that WB hasn't tried to remake it, it's been 15 years!

[Vincent Pereira]

Although I like Jordan's film version (and actually think Cruise is very good in it), I wouldn't mind seeing a remake that was closer to the book. In particular, it always stuck me as odd that the movie removed Lestat from the Paris section, seeing as how they cast such a big star in the role. Why cut down his part in the story? Made no sense to me. I'd also like to see a teenager cast as Armand since in the books they make a big deal about him having been turned when he was 14. An epic adaptation of THE VAMPIRE LESTAT would be cool too, although to do it justice they'd probably have to make it into two movies.

Vincent

[KubrickFan]

[QUOTE=Jeff Kleist;2846176]Rutger Hauer is an intriguing choice for Lestat, but I'd have to see him do it. He never was much of a prettyboy, about the only thing Cruise had going for him was that he fit the look I always pictured when I read it./QUOTE]

Really? Hauer's considered to be just that here in Holland, but that's mostly how he started. He got really known for his acting later on in titles like Turkish Delight and Soldier of Orange. I think it definitely would've been interesting to see what he would've done with it.

[Jeff Kleist]

Rutger Hauer in 1993 was too old then, and certainly doesn'tfit the bill now Prettyboy cutoff is about 28 or so

I do enjoy the Jordon film as well, and Anne Rice did write the screenplay for it. I agree Cruise was fine as well, I Just think it could have been better