"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[captveg]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

For your consideration…
https://www.blu-ray.com/news/?id=4506

^ The film source was scanned at 4k and the quality of the master looked very good, actually better than I expected. In short, I was impressed with the outcome which is why I’m bringing this title to people’s attention. Might I humbly recommend everyone purchase Jason and the Argonauts because this Blu-ray movie represents quality work on an important film that should find its way into every cinephile's collection.

This release had my $$$ years ago.

[captveg]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

AI all the way, the snail's pace of Kubrick with the most indulgent inability of Spielberg to end his movies less than 4 times

AI has Kubrick's ending(s), verbatim.

And a disparaging, soul-crushing ending it is.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by captveg

AI has Kubrick's ending(s), verbatim.

Well, to be precise, it followed Kubrick's last known notes. No one can say where it might have gone, had Kubrick completed it.

[SpaceDog]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

Well, to be precise, it followed Kubrick's last known notes. No one can say where it might have gone, had Kubrick completed it.

I think it would have been just as bleak had Kubrick lived. There are a lot of touches and homages to the fact that it's meant to be a Kubrick film made by Spielberg.

I honestly think the film catches a lot of $#!+ it doesn't deserve. Certainly it doesn't follow typical formula, but it's very well made and tells a compelling story.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by SpaceDog

I think it would have been just as bleak had Kubrick lived.

I would guess so, as well, but who knows how many more writing passes he would've attempted before production. And who knows what might have developed during production or in post.

[SpaceDog]

Originally Posted by Doctorossi

I would guess so, as well, but who knows how many more writing passes he would've attempted before production. And who knows what might have developed during production or in post.

I think we could both agree that it's far more honest for Spielberg to work from the notes and preferences at time of death than to have speculated on what he might have wanted had he lived. I think what Spielberg did honored Kubrick's vision to the best of his ability.

[horseflesh]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

AI all the way, the snail's pace of Kubrick with the most indulgent inability of Spielberg to end his movies less than 4 times

Hmmmmm.....I think it's one of the best big Hollywood films of the "noughties".

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by merrick97

I have a masters in biochemistry and am now working on a doctorate in biochemical nutrition. I just started the latter.

So, I assume you’re published?

What aspect of what particular topic in Biochem? The reason I ask is, the humanitarian that I am, I continue to search for a cure for SSD (screenshot science disease) and I think this therapy DBS (Deep Brain Stimulation) is a promising step forward in that endeavor as it gained FDA approval for obsessive compulsive disorder http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/...-disorder.html
of which, I believe *screenshot science* may be a tiny deviant subset population.

I’m wondering if there are any clinical trials going on regarding the use of Deep Brain Stimulation for Screenshot Science Disease in order to cure their hyper-allergic response to real and unfounded DNR and EE. If there is no such research going on in Merrick’s or anyone else’s lab, the only viable therapeutic option may have to be total bilateral FRONTAL LOBECTOMY; otherwise, they will go on for eternity, day after day, *science* page after page, singing the same old song like this, just substituting the words *Blu-ray movies* for *TV* in the lyrics…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HaZv...eature=related
(briefly punctuated with anomalies like boring kudos for things like Avatar and Minority Report)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by merrick97

Yes, Fed is one of my favorite athletes in the world.

And a great humanitarian, if you read that YouTube bio on him.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

Hmmm, I never got all the excitement about the Harryhausen films but I will probably buy it anyway as for some reason I never managed to watch this one plus I would like to see the result of that 4k scan

Care to elaborate why more than half of Sonys Blu-Ray releases of pre 70ies movies are Ray Harryhausen films?

Sometimes I think I should be in the marketing division rather than a technical division.

“When girls are good they are very good, but when they are bad they are even better.”
I think THAT ^ is much better than this …http://www.sonypictures.com/homevide...396306011.html

and my sort of taglines might well make a Blu-ray incarnation, a profitable venture, but alas, they keep me in the Advanced Technology stuff.

Ray H.’s stuff is serious card-carrying cinephile material and its importance to cinematic history, Blu-ray collectors and home theater enthusiasts should not be underestimated, but believe me Oliver, personally, I would like a little more nasty diversity, because mingling with people that come out to events like “Bad Girls Night” makes the reward for the hours and hours of restoration even sweeter…http://davidallen.zenfolio.com/p407463247

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by mntwister

It will be in my collection, I am supporting the release of all classic movies, and am excited about this release. I do wonder, Penton, why Sony hasn't released some of its bigger classics like Oliver (Best Picture), Funny Girl (Best Actress), Lawrence, Kwai, Bye Bye Birdie, Guns of Navarone?...

Zee real Bigie will eventually come.

I will say that fewer catalog titles are being released by most studios now because people are not buying enough of them for the studios to make a profit. It's unfortunate because there are some classics that have not been released yet and we can't justify putting them out if no one is buying them.

[Jeff Kleist]

It's a common complaint among all the studios. People complain that Disney has a very low catalog release schedule, but when they do put them out, anything that isn't animated has not done great returns. even the good stuff

Which is killing a ton of the classics people want to see like Swiss Family, 20,000 leagues, Treausre Island or Mary Poppins. In some cases extensive work may have even been done on them (not saying any of those titles in particular, so don't ask) but they're shelved because the money isn't there

So when you're wavering on whether or not to wait for a sale when that midrange catalog disc comes out, try to err on purchasing it sooner rather than later. Good first week #s make for happy studios, and happy studios=more catalog. They're not UNHAPPY per say, but I wouldn't say "thrilled" is accurate either. The sky is not falling, there is no disaster around the bend, please do not twist this into one

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Zee real Bigie will eventually come.

Fools Rush In? Soon???

[MerrickG]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

So, I assume you’re published?

What aspect of what particular topic in Biochem? The reason I ask is, the humanitarian that I am, I continue to search for a cure for SSD (screenshot science disease) and I think this therapy DBS (Deep Brain Stimulation) is a promising step forward in that endeavor as it gained FDA approval for obsessive compulsive disorder http://newsblogs.chicagotribune.com/...-disorder.html
of which, I believe *screenshot science* may be a tiny deviant subset population.

I’m wondering if there are any clinical trials going on regarding the use of Deep Brain Stimulation for Screenshot Science Disease in order to cure their hyper-allergic response to real and unfounded DNR and EE. If there is no such research going on in Merrick’s or anyone else’s lab, the only viable therapeutic option may have to be total bilateral FRONTAL LOBECTOMY; otherwise, they will go on for eternity, day after day, *science* page after page, singing the same old song like this, just substituting the words *Blu-ray movies* for *TV* in the lyrics…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=-HaZv...eature=related
(briefly punctuated with anomalies like boring kudos for things like Avatar and Minority Report)

I didnt publish. Which is why I chose to get a Masters degree instead of my PhD. I researched malaria drug design.

[Jeff Kleist]

I’m wondering if there are any clinical trials going on regarding the use of Deep Brain Stimulation for Screenshot Science Disease in order to cure their hyper-allergic response to real and unfounded DNR and EE. If there is no such research going on in Merrick’s or anyone else’s lab, the only viable therapeutic option may have to be total bilateral FRONTAL LOBECTOMY; otherwise, they will go on for eternity, day after day, *science* page after page, singing the same old song like this, just substituting the words *Blu-ray movies* for *TV* in the lyrics…

Penton, there's actually been research into that very phenomenon that was published just the other day, but I'm afraid their area of focus was a little too far into politics/religion. I PM'd you the link

[Mr. Cinema]

Originally Posted by Jeff Kleist

It's a common complaint among all the studios. People complain that Disney has a very low catalog release schedule, but when they do put them out, anything that isn't animated has not done great returns. even the good stuff

Which is killing a ton of the classics people want to see like Swiss Family, 20,000 leagues, Treausre Island or Mary Poppins. In some cases extensive work may have even been done on them (not saying any of those titles in particular, so don't ask) but they're shelved because the money isn't there

So when you're wavering on whether or not to wait for a sale when that midrange catalog disc comes out, try to err on purchasing it sooner rather than later. Good first week #s make for happy studios, and happy studios=more catalog. They're not UNHAPPY per say, but I wouldn't say "thrilled" is accurate either. The sky is not falling, there is no disaster around the bend, please do not twist this into one

How about WB? By comparison to the other majors, they are dominating in terms of classic releases and catalogs in general. They don't seem to be slowing down either. I think they get bashed way too much on this forum. Take away their BD support, and my collection shrinks quite a bit.

I do like their strategy of pulling DVDs of some of their bigger classic titles and then debuting them later on BD. I think that's a smart move and will likely build up demand.

I have to think WB leads in market share. I thought they always led in DVD. No doubt part of it is their enormous library, but they're pretty consistent on releases. Hasn't Paramount only released a handful of titles this year, with 2 of them being Godfather re-releases?

[4K2K]

How many copies of a title need to be sold before it is profitable for a title that didn't need to be restored?

If it's not expected to sell a lot why don't they make the licensing fees less for titles that aren't expected to/don't sell enough to profit currently?

What is the current cheapest cost for a UK/European studio to release a Blu-ray if there is no restoration needed?

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by SpaceDog

I think we could both agree that it's far more honest for Spielberg to work from the notes and preferences at time of death than to have speculated on what he might have wanted had he lived. I think what Spielberg did honored Kubrick's vision to the best of his ability.

Sure. There are some other areas in which Spielberg clearly went off in his own direction, but my point was that no matter how specific and articulate Kubrick's notes might have been, the peculiarities of taking a project into production will always mean that anyone else who took a shot at the movie, Kubrick included, may have ended up with something else by the time they were done.

[Jeff Kleist]

How about WB? By comparison to the other majors, they are dominating in terms of classic releases and catalogs in general. They don't seem to be slowing down either. I think they get bashed way too much on this forum. Take away their BD support, and my collection shrinks quite a bit.

WB has their own playbook that other people don't follow. A lot of the classics haven't done well, some of them ahve done well, but they have a good lobbyist WB is such a bureacracy with so many different VPs and red tape, it's honestly a total nightmare sometimes to even find out who's handling a title.

4K, you're not going to get those kinds of figures out of anyone publically, sorry, and there are so many variables involved, especially when it comes to overhead and the bigger picture business. A small company like Criterion or Shout Factory may do well at 5000 copies, while 7500 loses money at a large studio because the title isn't pulling the weight in the bigger picture it needs to.

Please note the above figures and names are intended for illustrative purposes only and do not represent anything "real"

[Anthony P]

Originally Posted by Eternal_Sunshine

Yes. That's the Canadian release from Alliance.

Given Alliance's dodgy reputation, I would much rather have bought a Sony US release...

I have not seen this, but I have a few Alliance titles. They tend to have less/no extras, but I think the rest of the reputation is a bit undeserving. If I look at local and international (none-US) films they tend to be good. It gets trickier with US movies. Some are the exact same thing as the US release (some just had a sticker with Alliance on the plastic wrapper), but some are 1080i 16:9. Now all I have are the news items on the net, but what I think happened with these sub-pars was that like the rest Alliance just piggybacked the US release and did not have film masters, with some the contracts kind of ended a bit earlier and I think since they where piggybacking before all they had where the TV masters (which is how I explain 1080i/16:9)


My guess since it is a new film it will probably be good, but I did not get it and have not seen it.