"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[Penton-Man]

Shark, this certainly is not as pretty as those beautiful Big Pictures that you post from Boston.com but, this is what my wife and I enjoyed during the early evening of Independence Day…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV3_4...eature=related

P.S.
We didn’t ride in with those ^ particular guys, though.

[Slec]

Payback enjoy some world cup ladies P-man

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Shark, this certainly is not as pretty as those beautiful Big Pictures that you post from Boston.com but, this is what my wife and I enjoyed during the early evening of Independence Day…

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pV3_4...eature=related

P.S.
We didn’t ride in with those ^ particular guys, though.

heh, congrats. And a note that the link above has the Paraguayan Blackberry woman showing that she's neglected the relevant part of her "lingerie model" gig.

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

heh, congrats. And a note that the link above has the Paraguayan Blackberry woman showing that she's neglected the relevant part of her "lingerie model" gig.

Ah well that's really too bad

@Slec: Thanks for the link!

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Well, suffice to say that if they use all of Blackmagic’s products the sharpening aka *digital enhancement* wasn’t done with the Ultrascope combination card and software package demonstrated in that pic that sharkshark posted a few pages back –

https://forum.blu-ray.com/insider-di...ml#post3453783

but rather, something more sophisticated like Blackmagic's DaVinci Resolve, which was used on Ridley’s Robin Hood.

It is unfortunate that even with spohisticated tools we do not always get sophisticated results

If somebody with a good eye had handled the sharpening of the titles in question he would have noticed the halos and dialed things down until these halos do not pop up anymore.

Once they're there we cannot take them away but with the majority of Blu-Ray players, projectors and displays we can add our own sharpening so it is much better to err on the conservative side with these sharpening tools. It is then for the user to decide about the amount of artefacts he wants to add to the picture and that's the way it should be.

Btw: Most of the time when you post content from Sony it is blocked over here

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Slec

Payback enjoy some world cup ladies P-man

You scoundrel YOU, you lured me in.

I should have stopped after being fulfilled with the bodacious Brazilian buttocks but, alas I got greedy.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

heh, congrats. And a note that the link above has the Paraguayan Blackberry woman showing that she's neglected the relevant part of her "lingerie model" gig.

It doesn’t bother me one bit if one of the twins isn’t shy.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

Btw: Most of the time when you post content from Sony it is blocked over here

Hmm, that calls for a test….one moment.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

Btw: Most of the time when you post content from Sony it is blocked over here

Does the tour of the Outside Broadcast Truck come through to you?
http://vimeo.com/12586754

or, are you receiving the converging on the converging work station?
http://vimeo.com/12824155
(the “Sony 3D box” ^ as John calls it, is the unassuming thin rectangular shaped MPE-200 which was THE must-have at the past NAB 2010…at least for 3D professionals in the know)

And if you can’t view this, then that’s truly a crime as it’s in your native language…
http://vimeo.com/13001883

After the World Cup is over and everything has settled down, I’ll see if I can scrounge up an official “3D Team” embroidered jacket from the event and maybe do some sort of contest to award it out. Though, at this stage, I’m a little hesitant about doing that sort of thing again because when I gifted an official Sony Blu-ray leather jacket (think $$) to a fellow member here in the past, I didn’t even receive a simple Thank You in return.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Oliver K

If somebody with a good eye had handled the sharpening of the titles in question he would have noticed the halos and dialed things down until these halos do not pop up anymore.

Once they're there we cannot take them away but with the majority of Blu-Ray players, projectors and displays we can add our own sharpening so it is much better to err on the conservative side with these sharpening tools. It is then for the user to decide about the amount of artefacts he wants to add to the picture and that's the way it should be.

Hey, you’re preaching to the choir here but, you’re oh so right.
But alas, many 'review Gods" never picked up on the digital manipulation anyway.

Another example is dust busting. Best to do a monitored automatic pass with conservative settings and then go back a second time, manually, to clean up what the software missed which, if memory serves, I think is shown here in this Austrian demo/tutorial (are you able to view this? Oliver), if one doesn't fall asleep half-way through while listening to the hypnotic monotone voice…
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oPGeo...eature=related

P.S.
Hey, shark, when one remove scratches and such from film, ALL the software solutions degrain that spot in order to fix the defect(s), so, afterwards guess what we use to put texture back into the fixed area in order that it match the remainder of the image, so it doesn’t stand out like a patch on a bicycle tube?

FAKE grain.

[DenonCI]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

You scoundrel YOU, you lured me in.

I should have stopped after being fulfilled with the bodacious Brazilian buttocks but, alas I got greedy.

That's not right!

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

guess what we use to put texture back into the fixed area in order that it match the remainder of the image, so it doesn’t stand out like a patch on a bicycle tube?

FAKE grain.

yes, aware, discussed repeatedly. But the questions remains, do you prefer fake to real, if one had to choose? And, again, for those not paying attention, by "grain", you mean "boobs".

Meanwhile, G-oranje!

[DenonCI]

I had to keep the site PG, but this is an exceptional image that NEEDS to be shared.

[Show spoiler]

She's very well built!

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Does the tour of the Outside Broadcast Truck come through to you?
http://vimeo.com/12586754

or, are you receiving the converging on the converging work station?
http://vimeo.com/12824155
(the “Sony 3D box” ^ as John calls it, is the unassuming thin rectangular shaped MPE-200 which was THE must-have at the past NAB 2010…at least for 3D professionals in the know)

And if you can’t view this, then that’s truly a crime as it’s in your native language…
http://vimeo.com/13001883

Thanks for the interesting links, I can see them all. I should have been more precise with what I said as I was referring to the youtube link you posted - that one turns up with this error and many other youtube links, too:
Dieses Video enthält Content von Sony Music Entertainment. Es ist in deinem Land nicht mehr verfügbar.
which means: This video has content from Sony Music Entertainment. It is not available anymore in your country.

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

After the World Cup is over and everything has settled down, I’ll see if I can scrounge up an official “3D Team” embroidered jacket from the event and maybe do some sort of contest to award it out. Though, at this stage, I’m a little hesitant about doing that sort of thing again because when I gifted an official Sony Blu-ray leather jacket (think $$) to a fellow member here in the past, I didn’t even receive a simple Thank You in return.

Not even a thank you in return is really something - I am always surprised about the carelessness of some people in these matters.

BTW: I also have a Sony jacket - I have quite a few items from the long abandoned Hi-Vision format (including Lawrence of Arabia and a few other Sony titles) and as of late I came into the possession of a jacket that says "Hi-Vision Master" on its back

But enough - gotta go now and make preparations for the Netherlands vs Uruguay semi

[4K2K]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

or, are you receiving the converging on the converging work station?
http://vimeo.com/12824155
(the “Sony 3D box” ^ as John calls it, is the unassuming thin rectangular shaped MPE-200 which was THE must-have at the past NAB 2010…at least for 3D professionals in the know)

Why does he select 50i when the Sony 1500 cameras he has can use 1080p50?

Why does he change the distance between the stereo cameras ie. bring the cameras in close together for a closeup - since our eyes don't get closer or further apart (they converge but they don't get closer/further apart)?

[sharkshark]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

Not a dumb bet, but I still feel Spain just might pull it off (they're certainly the underdogs given how Germany has looked the last 2 matches).

As above, I think any team could legitimately win (ie, attack to win, rather than wait it out and try to weasel a goal... A noble way to play the game, but not the way any of these 4 will play)

Neth over Uruguay 3-1, Spain over Germany 2-1, Spain over Neth 1-0. There, I've predicted, predictions that, predictably, will be wrong.

Well, I got the "3" for Neth correct, and that last minute goal screwed me...

Here's hoping I get the rest right!

[tvine2000]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

ok, got it.
https://forum.blu-ray.com/insider-di...ml#post3118776

^ the EYE Film Institute Netherlands (a.k.a. the Nederlands Filmmuseum) has a well respected head curator by the name of Giovanna Fossati . They do fabulous work and in this particular case in collaboration with laboratory staff at Haghefilm. Giovanna does the honors...
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=8Gz50OlxCEY

^ A must watch for folks interested in the effects of unmonitored automated scratch removal tools..for, if they can make the head of a dog disappear (which is shown somewhere later on in the clip), then surely getting rid of measly arrows flying thru the air is child’s play.

Thanks PENTON real nice demo. Ah the internet ,you can find anything any time.

[Oliver K]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

Well, I got the "3" for Neth correct, and that last minute goal screwed me...

Here's hoping I get the rest right!

Here's hoping you don't

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by sharkshark

yes, aware, discussed repeatedly.

You realize that I’m not singling you out personally, don’t you?

I’m using you as a vehicle to poke fun at all the *grain gurus* online who give the impression they know everything about film grain with their authoritatively sounding *opinions* expressed on some internet boards when the issue of real vs. fake grain comes up.

It’s quite obvious that none have dealt with restoring large scratches in films or compositing and keying vfx which is much more easily facilitated with a grain free image in the visual effects pipeline....after which you re-grain.

Now how many motion pictures these days contain at least some vfx (ergo fake grain) in them and have gone through the DI process?

LOTS

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DenonCI

I had to keep the site PG, but this is an exceptional image that NEEDS to be shared.

[Show spoiler]

She's very well built!

Now that is what Slec should have selectively posted in the first place but alas, he lured me in and trapped me like a rat in spring-loaded trap.