"Club Penton" - Ask questions to Hollywood insider "Penton-Man"

[PaulGo]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Among other predictions, "tech analyst Phillip Swann” also said that Sony and Toshiba would reach an agreement to end the Blu-ray/HD DVD format war in ’07. For the record, it didn’t happen that way but, the war still ended.

Mr Swann occasionally says things that are relevant., but most of the time his "predictions" are off the wall. The best part of his website is the "hotties:

http://www.tvpredictions.com/hdhottiespage.htm

And this area contains some of my favorite threads on Blu-ray.com:

https://forum.blu-ray.com/hollywood-celebrities/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by 4K2K

Can you comment on what some of the specs of a future (the next) consumer media playback device could be? eg. would it be 4K?.....

No.
I can only offer up the official press release, now that it is available online -
http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_ro...ase/60811.html

[Steedeel]

4k. Now i'm impressed. Only problem is no media to play back the 4k. um...........Could we have a 4k optical format on the way?

Not impressed with google tv. opening the Internet up to films is asking for trouble, in my opinion. Mediocre, highly compressed images that have no place in my home cinema.

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Could we have a 4k optical format on the way?

Not a chance, unless Sony has utterly lost their marbles.

[Steedeel]

Well, what is the point then?

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well, what is the point then?

The point of the 4K projector/upscaler product? To sell some projectors with a marketing bullet-point would be my guess.

[kefrank]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Not impressed with google tv. opening the Internet up to films is asking for trouble, in my opinion. Mediocre, highly compressed images that have no place in my home cinema.

I don't think you understand what Google TV is. It's not a movie streaming service.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by kefrank

I don't think you understand what Google TV is. It's not a movie streaming service.

No, but it is going to offer movie services as well as search options, youtube, flicker and all the rest. Remember all these services such as Hulu, Netflix and whatever else all use low compression rates. It will be Internet movie sites that will take advantage of the platform. You guys keep questioning it but i am 100 percent certain that major compromises are going to be made in terms of quality when streaming services hit mainstream. Compromises i am not prepared to suffer and so will walk away from my life time hobby of film collecting/home cinema if it happens and bluray is not around.

[kefrank]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

No, but it is going to offer movie services as well as search options, youtube, flicker and all the rest. Remember all these services such as Hulu, Netflix and whatever else all use low compression rates.

Google TV is just a software platform that offers a more robust net-connected experience with your TV through apps, browsing, and aggregation of content (including cable/sat, DVR, etc). It is essentially attempting to "smartify" (yes, I just made that up) the TV similar to the way the iPhone/iOS made the smartphone even "smarter." The fact that it provides an interface for video streaming services is just one of many features. Do you broadly oppose smartphones just because they happen to offer Netflix and Youtube apps with HDMI out?

It will be Internet movie sites that will take advantage of the platform. You guys keep questioning it but i am 100 percent certain that major compromises are going to be made in terms of quality when streaming services hit mainstream. Compromises i am not prepared to suffer and so will walk away from my life time hobby of film collecting/home cinema if it happens and bluray is not around.

I don't think anyone questions the fact that the A/V quality offered by streaming services today is not at the same level as Blu-ray. What we question is your odd, irrationally gloomy projection that highly-compressed streaming video will forever abolish high-quality options like Blu-ray as well as your apparent contention that the streaming services will never improve to the quality-level of Blu-ray. There is really no market precedent that I can think of that supports your theories.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by kefrank

Google TV is just a software platform that offers a more robust net-connected experience with your TV through apps, browsing, and aggregation of content (including cable/sat, DVR, etc). It is essentially attempting to "smartify" (yes, I just made that up) the TV similar to the way the iPhone/iOS made the smartphone even "smarter." The fact that it provides an interface for video streaming services is just one of many features. Do you broadly oppose smartphones just because they happen to offer Netflix and Youtube apps with HDMI out?


I don't think anyone questions the fact that the A/V quality offered by streaming services today is not at the same level as Blu-ray. What we question is your odd, irrationally gloomy projection that highly-compressed streaming video will forever abolish high-quality options like Blu-ray as well as your apparent contention that the streaming services will never improve to the quality-level of Blu-ray. There is really no market precedent that I can think of that supports your theories.

Yes, i do believe that. Should i just say quiet if i believe that? Streaming quality is a major problem for me. Yes, i believe highly compressed Hd (if you can call it that) could be the future. You only have to look at Mp3 music (which sounds horrific on expensive equipment) driving out higher forms of music. It is similar to what could happen if people buy into the hype of streaming and settle for the ghastly quality it represents.

I know the majority think i am extreme. So what?

[Doctorossi]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Should i just say quiet if i believe that?

I'm not sure what you hope to accomplish by carrying on about it here.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Streaming quality is a major problem for me.

Ok. Welcome to this Blu-ray forum.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

It is similar to what could happen if people buy into the hype of streaming and settle for the ghastly quality it represents.

And yet, every time someone gives you a reasoned and historically-precedented A-to-Z of the reasons that's unlikely to happen, you appear to ignore it.

[Paul H]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

No.
I can only offer up the official press release, now that it is available online -
http://news.sel.sony.com/en/press_ro...ase/60811.html

Excited about the HMZ-T1 Personal 3D Viewer!
Emphasizing "NO Crosstalk" is a great selling point.

The viewer can enjoy a more natural 3D video experience that is completely free of crosstalk since each eye has its own display

Hope that every movie reviewer will finally realize from the 3D-image this produces that ghosting/crosstalk is only a DISPLAY-DEPENDENT-ARTIFACT and should NOT be mentioned as part of a blu-ray 3D Disc review in the "Video Quality" section.

One suggestion I do have that I think will be a great selling point to mention is that this product finally offers the first consumer 3D-native-bright image solution! No need for active or passive light filtering 3D glasses or lenticular filtering in glasses-free 3D displays.

Paul

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Well, what is the point then?

The point is that, this is another small step in the right direction of technological progress (the availability now of a home version projector which supports 4k native resolution).

For the consumer, as far as *realized* resolution benefit goes (when it launches), I guess you will have to rely upon reviewers’ assessments as to how well the 4K upscaler performs with Blu-ray movies as compared to the more typical 1080p projectors on the market before you decide to make your purchase…. if you’re a high end home theater enthusiast.

[Steedeel]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

The point is that, this is another small step in the right direction of technological progress (the availability now of a home version projector which supports 4k native resolution).

For the consumer, as far as *realized* resolution benefit goes (when it launches), I guess you will have to rely upon reviewers’ assessments as to how well the 4K upscaler performs with Blu-ray movies as compared to the more typical 1080p projectors on the market before you decide to make your purchase…. if you’re a high end home theater enthusiast.

The next step should be to forget all this smart tv rubbish in my opinion.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Paul H

Excited about the HMZ-T1 Personal 3D Viewer!
Emphasizing "NO Crosstalk" is a great selling point....
Paul

I seldom have the time to scan all the threads here on the forum but, at the price point revealed (at least for Japan), I’m actually surprised that there is not more buzz about this product....esp. since it came to market so quickly when it was initially introduced more as a device *of the future*.

[Steedeel]

I will save the buzz for when there is true 4k media available to enjoy on it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

I will save the buzz for when there is true 4k media available to enjoy on it.

Dude, I was referring to this ~ $800. device...

IFA 2011: Sony Personal 3D Viewer (HMZ-T1) - YouTube

[RiseDarthVader]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Dude, I was referring to this ~ $800. device...

IFA 2011: Sony Personal 3D Viewer (HMZ-T1) - YouTube

Seeing that video reminds me of The Amazing Spider-Man trailer. Is there any plans for the 3D version of the trailer to be released on Playstation Network for example so I can watch it in 3D on my 3DTV? I have only seen the trailer in 2D so far.

[kefrank]

Originally Posted by Steedeel

Yes, i do believe that. Should i just say quiet if i believe that? Streaming quality is a major problem for me. Yes, i believe highly compressed Hd (if you can call it that) could be the future.

I have never once seen you provide any basis for why you believe that could happen. You're free to say whatever you want, but without backing it up with any rational reasoning, it just becomes a tired, meaningless rant.

Originally Posted by Steedeel

You only have to look at Mp3 music (which sounds horrific on expensive equipment) driving out higher forms of music. It is similar to what could happen if people buy into the hype of streaming and settle for the ghastly quality it represents.

This comparison validates my point, not yours. Despite the popularity of digital music downloads, you can still buy new CDs and even vinyl! MP3s haven't killed higher-quality physical media and it's been 10 years since the iTunes store launched. Streaming is not going to kill the Blu-ray format anytime in the foreseeable future. I continue to be baffled by your unfounded, nearly-clinical level of paranoia about this.

[Steedeel]

Kerfrank, it may sound odd to you but i would love to feel safe in the knowledge that when Bluray is phased out there will be another high quality format to replace it. I see no evidence of this and until i hear 4k discs are in the works i can't help but be concerned. Now people have already suggested there will be no physical media after bluray. Let's say that is true. That leaves us with downloads/streaming only, yes? Therefore, we are completely reliant on good connections, time of day, source material which will probably be highly compromised and broadband speed. No connection, no film, is a possibility.

Now, that very simple scenario is a possibility. It is also a possibility that once people start believing the HD download/streaming (in my opinion) bullshit, they will buy into it and the industry won't see the need for higher quality streaming.
Now i am left with no HQ source and just my old blurays to watch on a loop. (A very long loop admittedly)
In these times of RED digital cameras and 4k resolution, that is what we should be concerned with adopting. Not some (in my opinion) awful, cheap and nasty streaming quality that looks like old VHS a lot of the time and dvd if we are lucky.