HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Would you grade the HDR or SDR iteration of content first?
Carefully think about it (+ and –‘s of your choice) for a moment.

[Penton-Man]

Now listen…..https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=WoRSsn6CoPw#t=46m57s

[Penton-Man]

Given the Arri link ^ I think I should do a Sony posting….for balance. Give me some time to think.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

skin tone

Rendition is important not only to some of us here at Blu-ray.com, but another who has gotten himself a noticeable haircut since last time most of you have seen him on TV at an awards show - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB3jJcU7Sv8#t=8m30s

Behind the scene of The Dig…. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=M7YR4TNWoUk#t=2m29s

[Penton-Man]

^ The same crew (Director, D.P. A camera first assistant, colorist), reminds me…..for those who may have missed the theatrical HDR presentation at a Dolby Cinema, keep an eye out for Only the Brave - http://www.technicolor.com/en/who-we...een-only-brave (4K DI from F65 raw acquisition)

coming to UHD home media.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Remind me, did you have an op on it or something?

Back from riding with some of the boys (and girls). Wrist feels good.

Although these aren’t necessarily the HDR iterations (UHD Blu-rays), since awards season is approaching I thought folks might be curious as to knowing what Blu-rays (as opposed to only the regular old DVD screeners of past years) have gone out so far to various voting groups and since I don’t know where else to post it, here’s the list so far –

Get Out (Blu-ray)
Beauty and the Beast (Blu-ray/DVD)
War of the Planet of the Apes (Blu-ray/DVD combo pack)
Atomic Blonde (Blu-ray)
Split (Blu-ray)
Despicable Me 3 (Blu-ray)
The Lego Batman Movie (Blu-ray)
Wonder Woman (Blu-ray)
Guardians of the Galaxy Vol. 2 (Blu-ray)
Cars 3 (Blu-ray)
The Beguiled (Blu-ray)
First They Killed my Father (Blu-ray)
Victoria & Abdul (Blu-ray)
Mudbound (Blu-ray)
Detroit (Blu-ray)
American Made (Blu-ray)

In future news, Sony Pictures bagged Quentin’s project, although Deadline already publicly scooped the story - http://deadline.com/2017/11/quentin-...io-1202210597/

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Given the Arri link ^ I think I should do a Sony posting….for balance.

As to the member who PMed me complaining of not fairly giving attention to RED’s newest cinema camera offering, I already did last month - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...d#post14177991

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

fairly giving attention to

Samsung’s approach with regards to dynamic metadata ->

HDR10+ is a HDR10 base layer plus metadata in the SEI (from nearly a year ago - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...i#post12926259 ) which when launched can either be ignored or be used by one’s supportive television to improve tone mapping.

In essence, it’s simply descriptive metadata and the individual television manufacturer then has the ability (and complete responsibility) on its own to determine how best to use that descriptive metadata in their own tone mappers.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

seen it firsthand ) –

https://ibc.gallery.video/ibctv/deta...ge=0#t=1h1m16s ,

Ignoring ATSC for a moment, as to DVB, the 87th meeting of the DVB Steering Board just recently concluded and latest news is - https://www.dvb.org/news/-dvb-comple...uhdtv-services

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

since awards season is approaching

hence, the race to woo votes is on, e.g. - http://www.warnerbros2017.com/hfpa/s.../?film=dunkirk

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Samsung’s approach with regards to dynamic metadata ->

HDR10+ is a HDR10 base layer plus metadata in the SEI (from nearly a year ago - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...i#post12926259 ) which when launched can either be ignored or be used by one’s supportive television to improve tone mapping.

In essence, it’s simply descriptive metadata and the individual television manufacturer then has the ability (and complete responsibility) on its own to determine how best to use that descriptive metadata in their own tone mappers.

I see, so there's no "golden reference" like what Dolby build into any such DV-certified display: with HDR10+ it's STILL up to how the manufacturers' individual mapping techniques best interpret that incoming metadata.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I see, so there's no "golden reference" like what Dolby build into any such DV-certified display: with HDR10+ it's STILL up to how the manufacturers' individual mapping techniques best interpret that incoming metadata.

Oh yes. I'm not sure why you are emphasising the word "still" like that - it's never ever been claimed that there was a "golden reference" equivalent built into HDR10Plus and that was never one of the aims.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

Oh yes. I'm not sure why you are emphasising the word "still" like that - it's never ever been claimed that there was a "golden reference" equivalent built into HDR10Plus and that was never one of the aims.

Because the handling of HDR10 mapping across manufacturers - indeed, across their own ranges - has been a bit of a cluster****, and if HDR10+ is STILL going to be subjected to these same whims then I don't really see the point of it.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Back from riding with some of the boys (and girls). Wrist feels good.

Although these aren’t necessarily the HDR iterations (UHD Blu-rays), since awards season is approaching I thought folks might be curious as to knowing what Blu-rays (as opposed to only the regular old DVD screeners of past years) have gone out so far to various voting groups and since I don’t know where else to post it, here’s the list so far –

Get Out (Blu-ray)
Beauty and the Beast (Blu-ray/DVD)
War of the Planet of the Apes (Blu-ray/DVD combo pack)

In future news, Sony Pictures bagged Quentin’s project, although Deadline already publicly scooped the story - http://deadline.com/2017/11/quentin-...io-1202210597/

Add to the list ^
Atomic Blonde (Blu-ray)

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

I see, so there's no "golden reference" like what Dolby build into any such DV-certified display: with HDR10+ it's STILL up to how the manufacturers' individual mapping techniques best interpret that incoming metadata.

Correctomundo.

Anyway, for those new members to this thread and unfamiliar with the concept of DMCVT (first expressed here over a year ago – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post12850908

This SMPTE standards webcast which aired 2 months after thee ^ above post, explains the concept of dynamic vs. static tone mapping. in general…..
slides from the webcast - https://www.smpte.org/sites/default/...V2-Handout.pdf

The ST 2094 Standards Suite For Dynamic Metadata - YouTube

It's a little dated by now, but a decent Cliff Notes for those new to the topic and overwhelmed by the technology.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

In future news, Sony Pictures bagged Quentin’s project, although Deadline already publicly scooped the story - http://deadline.com/2017/11/quentin-...io-1202210597/

Speaking of Sharon Tate, in World News yesterday -
https://www.nbcnews.com/nightly-news...-1100295235512

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....gotten himself a noticeable haircut since last time most of you have seen him on TV at an awards show - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NB3jJcU7Sv8#t=8m30s

Thursday, Dec. 7., a fun local SoCal event by Band Pro, plus there is no admission fee and complimentary valet parking is provided . Don’t be shy, film students and ‘other’ are welcome…..
http://www.bandpro.com/blog/openhouse2017/

"Band Pro's tent exhibition space will feature a dynamic, interactive camera, recording, and workflow environment where products will be displayed as they are actually used on set; together with dedicated Exhibitor Tables. Come see new 4K footage from Sony, Canon, and RED, and loads of additional exclusive 4K content. Special guests and lots of giveaways make this the perfect kick off to the holiday season. We'll see you there!"

[Penton-Man]

The quote in the post above ^ , reminds me. since I did a shoutout to Arri, Sony and Red on the last page I guess it's only fair to mention something new with Canon.
One moment....sports fans.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

I watch sports fairly often

PeterTHX, don’t say I don’t think about you……

Free Viewpoint Video (CanonOfficial) - YouTube

http://global.canon/en/news/2017/20170921.html

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

PeterTHX, don’t say I don’t think about you

I said sports