HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

By the way I like golfing.

¤ https://www.techradar.com/news/4k-vs...ng-to-full-uhd

https://www.brainyquote.com/quotes/p_g_wodehouse_378946
excellent, affordable Father’s Day gift ->
note there is honor involved in playing golf, which some grossly abuse -
https://www.msnbc.com/the-last-word/...m_npd_ms_tw_lw

P.S.
Most early adopters with money burning holes in their pockets for big ticket items – I’m hoping they’re knowledgeable enough in budgeting - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BNygqVlvMck#t=1s
- won’t have the *opportunity* to view an 8K vs. 4K TV setup at Samsung or Sony or Sharp or Panasonic’s headquarters and will have to rely upon visiting their lowly, unbiased venue like a local high end store and let their own eyes (1/60 equating to ‘20/20 vision’ in the equation I pictured on the last page if people don’t understand arcseconds) determine if the 8K tv bang is worth the buck with moving pictures where the camera and objects of interest are in motion as seen at their current home viewing distance.

Even then, if there is a subtle increase in picture quality noticed with the 8K tv, they will not know for sure if it’s due to advertised ‘smart upscaling technology’ or some other improvements in the 8K tv like better backlighting, etc. which wasn’t implemented in the 4K tv….and should have been in order to make the comparison more valid.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Even then, if there is a subtle increase in picture quality noticed with the 8K tv, they will not know for sure if it’s due to advertised ‘smart upscaling technology’ or some other improvements in the 8K tv like better backlighting, etc. which wasn’t implemented in the 4K tv….and should have been in order to make the comparison more valid.

Bingo. Where them 4K TVs with AI upscaling at? People are kidding themselves if they think that the 8K's and the 8K's alone are what's making the difference, if any, as virtually everything else around the pixels has been updated as well.

[Penton-Man]

So, carry on folks, as while P.S. heads to Amazon (https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/li...eaming-1209975 ), it’s off to Morro Bay for my wife and me for the event mentioned in post #9416 on the last page.

Let’s see if the thread can maintain this robust viewership pace (2 – 3,000 views/day) while we’re absent. Y’all seem to have a good start with the rez conversation.

Later

[LordoftheRings]

We don't even know where to start...Maverick?

Have a wonderful evening with your wife Penton.

[mrtickleuk]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

And yet 4K VFX is a pre-requisite for stuff like Netflix original content. 8K OTT delivery is going to be up to date with actual end-to-end 8K finishes before theatrical movies are done in 4K on a regular basis, if at all. Netflix have already done 6K finishes for certain shows, including the VFX: https://www.hollywoodreporter.com/be...-waters-779131 and that was FOUR ****ing years ago!

Indeed.

The problem with theatrical VFX in 4K is down to one simple thing: time. There's just not enough of it to finish 2000 or 3000 shots in 4K across all these different vendors in the time that they have, not to mention the need to deliver them early so that the 3D vendors have enough lead time on the 3D conversion. I still contend that this 3D post-production pipeline is one of the main things that's holding back 4K VFX in the theatrical environment.

The solution then is staring everyone in the face. Stop doing those stupid 3D conversions.

[Canada]

Originally Posted by mrtickleuk

The solution then is staring everyone in the face. Stop doing those stupid 3D conversions.

The last really good 3D film I saw was Disney's A Christmas Carol which was 10 years ago and it wasn't a conversion. Plus it was an animated movie which to me have always looked better in 3D anyway.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

We don't even know where to start...Maverick?

Have a wonderful evening with your wife Penton.

well, if you need ideas, you can start with cameras - https://www.indiewire.com/2019/05/ca...ey-1202139519/

and then go from there….LUTs from colorist, etc.

or, if you prefer to stay with rez, start here - https://www.thebroadcastbridge.com/c...d-broadcasters
and discuss

or, if you prefer adversarial Tigers….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post16398218
^ specifically, that’s an F-5F Tiger ( https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_d...&tid=1050&ct=1)

[PaulGo]

R.I.P. OLED?

Fear and Trembling: LG Display faces the axe for OLED burn-in and market squeeze

After seven years of ignoring the warning signs, LG Display's OLED TV panel business is facing a reckoning by LG Group's leadership and the market as rival Samsung jumps to MicroLED and QD-OLED panels.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/fear-a...arket-squeeze/

[LordoftheRings]

Can't be. It's probably a news glitch of some kind.

True though that MicroLED, if everything according to plan, will replace OLED.
And also true that QLED has an HDR advantage...Brightness...more nits.

But, it has to be a news glitch; OLED is still the king of all LED technologies...the best of the best.
Business wise I thought they were doing the best also.
Could it be that the majority of TV watchers do during daytime and with the lights on in the evening?
That could be that too; then you want more brightness, more nits, better for HDR watchers with the lights on and during daylight.

Most likely a news glitch. ...Like 3D.

P.S. Paul, first they took 3D from us here in North America (TV's best feature), now they want to take OLED from us? Say it ain't so. It's a "fear" tactic, from Samsung? ...Samsung is not very happy nowadays; they abandonned OLED early in the game, they didn't get far with their curved TVs, they stopped making 4K Blu-ray players, they removed their folding phones out of the market, ...things are not all pinky for the South Korean manufacturer...and it has been for quite some time...android's batteries exploding, laptop cameras spying on students, ...

Burn-in issues with OLED don't exist if you are careful with the settings, have a PhD in video calibration, and only watch suitable programs...like the best movies. ...And only during nighttime with the lights off. Most people who are well knowledgeable they all know that.

And besides, LG is not the only OLED game in town...we have Sony, Panasonic (Canada & UK), and many others ...
• https://www.oled-info.com/oled-tv
• https://www.oled-info.com/oled-devices/latest-OLED-tvs

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

well, if you need ideas, you can start with cameras - https://www.indiewire.com/2019/05/ca...ey-1202139519/

and then go from there….LUTs from colorist, etc.

or, if you prefer to stay with rez, start here - https://www.thebroadcastbridge.com/c...d-broadcasters
and discuss

or, if you prefer adversarial Tigers….https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post16398218
^ specifically, that’s an F-5F Tiger ( https://www.navy.mil/navydata/fact_d...&tid=1050&ct=1)

Penton, you the man. ...Never short of the latest and best on all things visual improvements.

* I was humoros with Maverick; every day I follow all HDR news related...cameras, films, gear, software, programs, YouTube, Twitter, video shows, new cinematographers, ...from all over the world...USA, Canada, Europe, France, UK, Germany and Finland.

Sure appreciate the links; good for the brain, for the vision, the development.

[PaulGo]

Sony gets it OLEDs from LG. If LG can't make money on OLEDs I doubt anyone can.

[spider-neil]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

R.I.P. OLED?

Fear and Trembling: LG Display faces the axe for OLED burn-in and market squeeze

After seven years of ignoring the warning signs, LG Display's OLED TV panel business is facing a reckoning by LG Group's leadership and the market as rival Samsung jumps to MicroLED and QD-OLED panels.

https://www.zdnet.com/article/fear-a...arket-squeeze/

As soon as MicroLED becomes competitive (probably 3-4 years) I'm jumping off the OLED train. Sick of not being able to watch what ever program I want for as long as I want without fear of burn-in.

[LordoftheRings]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

Sony gets it OLEDs from LG. If LG can't make money on OLEDs I doubt anyone can.

I know, everybody get their OLED panels from LG.

And there is TCL as well: https://www.flatpanelshd.com/news.ph...&id=1553502379

* If OLED starts to be unprofitable then it's time to look towards MicroLED. ...Better for HDR.

[cgpublic]

Originally Posted by PaulGo

R.I.P. OLED?

You are aware that Samsung, after promising QD-OLED panels in 2020, has now pushed back the delivery date by years to 2024.

The same company, I might add, that sent Samsung Fold units to reviewers, and when informed that the review units were failing within hours, determined to delay the launch, i.e., never.

The above setting aside the fact they just exited the Blu-Ray player market in the USA and elsewhere, because who needs found money when your entire company is in the red.

But, but all means, since LG is exiting the OLED market, please wait until Samsung launches their MicroLED or QD-OLED product lineup.

Of course, of course... of course.

[DanBa]

Yet other operationally universal HDR TVs: Hisense OLED O8B / ULED U8B / …
(operationally universal HDR = all current commercially available HDR formats)
https://www.hisense.es/televisores/oled/h55o8b/
https://www.hisense.es/televisores/



Thanks Lcdmen!


Latest Multi-HDR table: change 'Hisense HDR10+' from "tbc" to "X"

[sapiendut]

LG is exiting the OLED market? Since when?

[avs commenter]

DanBa, you should do one of those for streamers and disc players

[Robert Zohn]

I have read many of this author's articles about LG and OLED TVs, all very seriously exagerated. I've posted my respecful replies and they have never gone live. I've also written to the publisher several times and have never had a reply.

LG and OLED is alive and well and LG has very agressive plans on the continued growth that are not changing. This year we'll see 88" 8K LG OLED TVs and for 2020 LG's new OLED factory will be in full swing.

[sapiendut]

Your info and mine are identical. It doesn’t make sense for LG to stop OLED as they essentially supply the entire world’s worth of OLED ready to use panels and OLED screen components (in the case of the upcoming Panasonic GZ2000 series)

[LordoftheRings]

Did you guys read the full article Paul just posted earlier this morning?

Please do, here it is again:
▪ https://www.zdnet.com/article/fear-a...arket-squeeze/

After reading it in full you'll have a much better picture of the real situation.
OLED is with us for few more years; I wouldn't sweat it.
Technologies and innovations are always advancing; nothing last forever if you cannot develop in this increasingly competitive market. Just read the complete article and see what you make of it...OLED TV owners and dealers.

Me I'm happy today. I'm not worry about tomorrow; tomorrow can take care of itself without me worrying today.

And yes, the article is brand new from this morning...freshly released.