Panasonic 4K OLED TV CZ950

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

the pre-selected according to the manufacturer

“Pre-selected” explained – https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...y#post11283117

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

German test off to a good start. Panasonic actually delivering on its marketing promises:

"HDTV editor Christian Trozinski gives a first insight into the test: "We will discuss in detail in the coming days to all questions asked, now I can, however, assure you that Panasonic has achieved the specially set goal The TX-65CZW954 is actually the ultimate. movie machine. This involves Panasonic not grandstanding, but rather a thoroughly natural image reproduction. Looking at Panasonic's career with the formerly proprietary IPS-Alpha LCD and plasma panels, so it is not surprising that the pre-selected according to the manufacturer OLED -Panels offer the optimal conditions for Panasonic's image processing After the first few hours with the device I can confidently say that Panasonic has arrived with the OLED technology back where one has the manufacturer no longer has long encountered:.. at home "


https://translate.google.com/transla...ml&prev=search

Consumers should hope for more detailed specifics in the upcoming analysis by the German site. Like for instance the fact that the CZ TV (at least for early production models delivered to privileged places on these U.S. shores) has a plethora of presets to choose from…..including SMPTE-C, Rec. 709 color spaces and a multitude of gammas ranging in .1 increments from 1.8-2.6 (and BT. 1886).

[raygendreau]

Part 2 of what will probably be 4 or 5 parts if their eval of the LG 65EG is any indication. This part discusses HDR and a comparison of a FALD LCD with the CZ954:

https://translate.google.com/transla....132403.0.HTML

[raygendreau]

Part 3 of the German Panasonic OLED evaluation:

"It is much more important in my eyes, to point out the serious differences that actually decide between 'amazed' and 'pure disappointment'. By OLED technology, the TX-65CZW954 for LCD TVs combines impossible things: The coloration, the contrast impression and the color representation are virtually flawless in every seat and there was in the test a film in which the overall impression seemed unnatural. These benefits have been confirmed by measurements: Even darkest image areas still have color information and the brightness and gamma control allows the tracing vote almost a millimeter, so that dark image content divulge too many and not too few details"

https://translate.google.com/transla....132403.0.HTML

EDIT Sept 24 2015: You can find pt. 4 of the evaluation via the above link as well. pt. 5 tomorrow.

[vinnie97]

Part 4 (middling uniformity) and especially part 5 for the gamer types (best case 86 ms input lag) ain't that pretty. I guess you can wait and pay double or triple for one of these for a killer CMS (assuming they release it stateside). Not worth it in my estimation with the EF9500 going for as low as $4250 and already on these shores.

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Part 4 (middling uniformity) and especially part 5 for the gamer types (best case 86 ms input lag) ain't that pretty. I guess you can wait and pay double or triple for one of these for a killer CMS (assuming they release it stateside). Not worth it in my estimation with the EF9500 going for as low as $4250 and already on these shores.

Near black performance is better than LG. We need to see more reviews. I hope flatpanel's Rasmus Larsen gets his hands on one of the CZ950s soon.

We also need feedback from actual owners, which will come from Europe over the next several months.

I doubt that we in the U.S. will see these sets before 2016.

[vinnie97]

Better than the 65EG9600 model they had on hand at the smoke-blowing demonstration (just the latest in a long line that Panasonic has engaged; it all started with claims that plasma performance had been matched by the AX900). No one's made any claims as to the near-black performance superiority over the newly released flat LG model to my knowledge.

I'm going out on a ledge here, but I'll bet the US doesn't see them in 2016 either...

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

No one's made any claims as to the near-black performance superiority over the newly released flat LG model to my knowledge.

"The LG was showing too much of this scene where we could actually see the back wall behind Freeman. Just because that data might be in the image when mastered and brought out with incorrect gamma or panel brightness, it doesn’t mean you are supposed to see that detail. This is important in a scene like the one being highlighted as it can completely change the feeling and mood towards the character. He no longer looks menacing if you can see him clearly, like he was displayed on the LG. Again, we had no control over this aspect of the demo, but it did make sense and highlighted the expertise of the old plasma technicians managing to get the gradations between absolute black and just above correct. There were other examples shown where the CZ950 handled shadow detail without clipping and in a more dynamic way." (See link in Post #23 in this thread)

[vinnie97]

Again, that was the EG9600 involved in the comparison sourced from God knows where. We also don't know how it was calibrated. I default to not believing in manufacturer demos due to being burned in the past. When Panasonic pulled out a Kuro to compare to their flagship (at the time) ZT60, the Kuro was noticeably deficient in that it had developed red tint (IIRC). Similar shenanigans were engaged when they compared their AX900 to the ZT60 (in this case, the ZT60 was intentionally crippled to give the AX900 a favorable comparison).

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Again, that was the EG9600 involved in the comparison sourced from God knows where. We also don't know how it was calibrated. I default to not believing in manufacturer demos due to being burned in the past. When Panasonic pulled out a Kuro to compare to their flagship (at the time) ZT60, the Kuro was noticeably deficient in that it had developed red tint (IIRC). Similar shenanigans were engaged when they compared their AX900 to the ZT60 (in this case, the ZT60 was intentionally crippled to give the AX900 a favorable comparison).

Someone will provide a review of near black performance on the EF9500 or its European equivalent and compare it to the CZ950 soon enough. The real question is whether the difference, if there is one, will justify the higher price of the CZ950.

[vinnie97]

I agree wholeheartedly.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by raygendreau

I doubt that we in the U.S. will see these sets before 2016.

The early production models are already present and being used in more than one professional post facility on the Hollywood environs.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

Again, that was the EG9600 involved in the comparison sourced from God knows where. We also don't know how it was calibrated. I default to not believing in manufacturer demos due to being burned in the past. When Panasonic pulled out a Kuro to compare to their flagship (at the time) ZT60, the Kuro was noticeably deficient in that it had developed red tint (IIRC). Similar shenanigans were engaged when they compared their AX900 to the ZT60 (in this case, the ZT60 was intentionally crippled to give the AX900 a favorable comparison).

Side by side testing in a post facility with no manufacturer rep present to, in any possible way, bias the viewing results shows a full field zero black calibration patch to be as good as the VT60 (which has been in use for years but receives regular calibrations) and blows away the VT when testing with a full field white (i.e. gives an absolute white, not an off-white).

[raygendreau]

"Did Panasonic managed to eradicate the darkening of the image edges (vignetting effect)?

To our great surprise the TX-65CZW954 showed no artificial [dark edge issue], no matter what material we played (eg "Harry Potter 7.2", "Interstellar"). Compared with LED LCD TVs that do not show this effect, are almost make out any differences.

If gradations represented differentiated in dark areas?

The TX-65CZW954 shows a very exact drawing, the optimum can be finely adjusted by the brightness and gamma control. This allows the tracing of the source material, the ambient light or the personal taste vote - real deficits are not recognizable, problems of common OLED TVs, which only allowed a coarse tuning or tended to loss of detail or overexposure, do not occur. "

Part 6 Q&A https://translate.google.com/transla....132403.0.HTML

[vinnie97]

It seems the Germans are giving mixed messages then...

Penton Man, LCD's ability (and OLED for that matter) to go brighter has never been disputed...as for a full field zero black calibration, what's the stimulus on such? 1%? 5?

[raygendreau]

Originally Posted by vinnie97

It seems the Germans are giving mixed messages then...

They repeat the claim that dark edges are not an issue in part 7 conclusion.

"advantages
Most natural picture display of all previously tested TVs
Image Playback absolutely flicker
Flawless black display, excellent contrast filter
Excellent Durchzeichnung (better than other OLED TVs)
No perceptible Randabdunklung (dark edge issue) as with other OLED TVs
Optimal viewing angle characteristics (color temperature only varies slightly)
Outstanding image contrast, accurate color reproduction (from every angle)
For HDR sources prepared (via HDMI)
Very good sharpness and motion picture sharpness
Suitable interframe calculation for film look or "Hobbit" effect
Effective contrast filter (no lightening the scene as in plasma)
No artificial ghosting, no Clouding without dimming artifacts
No plasma typical artifacts (color flashes, False Contour effects, pixel noise)
Excellent flicker-free 3D playback
Discoloration, DSE-like effects, etc. greatly reduced
Versatile Equipment (dual tuner, TV-IP, VOD Apps)
HDD recording, Time Shift, TV streaming, two CI interfaces
High quality processing and remote controls
Thin, light, great look

Disadvantages
No Firefox OS
For video games unsuitable (enormous input delay)
Limited maximum image brightness, maximum energy consumption is comparatively high
Reflections by Curved design distorted (non-uniform, as with other Curved TVs)
Reflections purple discolored
Signal Processing provoked partly Verwischeffekte for movie sources (for example, stars in "Gravity")
Included polarizer glasses produce ghosting
No 3D-to-2D conversion to 3D Blu-rays
Built-in USB media player and web browser with limited power
Measured against the purchase price faint sound
Alcantara surface only for push-on
Not designed for thick cable channels stripping

The test video for the Panasonic TX-65CZW954 you can in our Youtube channel under http://www.youtube.com/user/digitalfernsehende/videos retrieve.

The test at a glance:

Part 1: The realization of a dream
Part 2: Vibrant images thanks to a perfect black?
Part 3: Committed to the movie playback
Part 4: The perfect OLED TV?
Part 5: The perfect TV?
Part 6: Answers your questions
Part 7: Our review conclusion

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Consumers should hope for more detailed specifics in the upcoming analysis by the German site. Like for instance the fact that the CZ TV (at least for early production models delivered to privileged places on these U.S. shores) has a plethora of presets to choose from…..including SMPTE-C, Rec. 709 color spaces and a multitude of gammas ranging in .1 increments from 1.8-2.6 (and BT. 1886).

5 days later, if I understand zee German correctly, pictorially verified for consumer models on the German YouTube review ….
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MEtt...tu.be&t=15m16s

[raygendreau]

Flatpanels "mini review" Confirms LG "dark side" issue not present.

http://www.flatpanelshd.com/review.p...&id=1444044889

[DGilberts]

"IFC introduces artefacts but is required to improve motion" pff! Next year maybe?

[DangeRuss]

This is indeed great news yet ...........................

I'll be awaiting a flat screen version. Until then I hope my TH-50PZ800U holds up