HDR Discussion Thread

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by batman2000

Hello anyone have an answer at all please help

Robert's our retailer insider but I think you first have to provide him with more information as to your expectations, discretionary spending habits, etc.

[ray0414]

Originally Posted by batman2000

should i get hdr or if i do i'll be left in the dust if there update to things with it etc.

The industry is changing every year. It is your choice if you want to buy now or wait.

[batman2000]

Where can I learn the latest on hdr versions

[DanBa]

Originally Posted by batman2000

should i get hdr or if i do i'll be left in the dust if there update to things with it etc.

I think a high-quality TV for the masses functional for many years to come should have the following attributes:

. 4K UHD: TV able to display 3840x2160 pixel video
[A lot of TV can]

. 10/12 bit depth: TV able to process 10/12 bit video
[A lot of TV can]

. Wide Color Gamut (WCG): TV able to display a wide spectrum of Rec.2020 colors
[A lot of TV can]

. High Frame Rate (HFR): TV able to receive, process and display 120fps (sports …) video
[Likely, 2018 TV, with a HDMI 2.1 interface and with a HEVC level 5.2 decoding, could]

. High Dynamic Range (HDR): (Universal HDR) TV able to play any operational HDR content
[Many 2017 LG / Sony TV can play all existing operational HDR contents (i.e. HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR).
Apparently, one or several upcoming Dynamic HDR formats based on open standard SMPTE ST 2094 Dynamic Metadata will come to HDMI 2.1-featured TV if these Dynamic HDR formats can become operational].





These high-quality TV for the masses functional for many years to come should have an ATSC 3.0 physical layer chip for broadcast reception for people living in the ATSC world, or a DVB T2 / S2 physical layer chip for broadcast reception for people living in the DVB world.
ATSC 3.0 / DVB UHD Phase 2 broadcast reception can be carried out by external TV tuner.
HEVC bitstreams of ATSC 3.0 / DVB UHD Phase 2 can also be delivered over IP networks.

[batman2000]

Originally Posted by DanBa

I think a high-quality TV for the masses functional for many years to come should have the following attributes:

. 4K UHD: TV able to display 3840x2160 pixel video
[A lot of TV can]

. 10/12 bit depth: TV able to process 10/12 bit video
[A lot of TV can]

. Wide Color Gamut (WCG): TV able to display a wide spectrum of Rec.2020 colors
[A lot of TV can]

. High Frame Rate (HFR): TV able to receive, process and display 120fps (sports …) video
[Likely, 2018 TV, with a HDMI 2.1 interface and with a HEVC level 5.2 decoding, could]

. High Dynamic Range (HDR): (Universal HDR) TV able to play any operational HDR content
[Many 2017 LG / Sony TV can play all existing operational HDR contents (i.e. HDR10, Dolby Vision, HEVC HLG HDR, VP9-HLG / VP9-PQ YouTube HDR).
Apparently, one or several upcoming Dynamic HDR formats based on open standard SMPTE ST 2094 Dynamic Metadata will come to HDMI 2.1-featured TV if these Dynamic HDR formats can become operational].





These high-quality TV for the masses functional for many years to come should have an ATSC 3.0 physical layer chip for broadcast reception for people living in the ATSC world, or a DVB T2 / S2 physical layer chip for broadcast reception for people living in the DVB world.
ATSC 3.0 / DVB UHD Phase 2 broadcast reception can be carried out by external TV tuner.
HEVC bitstreams of ATSC 3.0 / DVB UHD Phase 2 can also be delivered over IP networks.

so i can get the upcoming e series sony and be fine then

[Gillietalls]

Originally Posted by batman2000

so i can get the upcoming e series sony and be fine then

As long as it's the 930E or 940E. The lesser models will have not have the correct chip for Dolby Vision. Another options is to get last year's Z9D series. It has the X1 Extreme chip needed for Sony to have Dolby Vision.

[Robert Zohn]

Yes, Sony's upcoming X930E series will have Sony's flagship X1 Extreme video processor chip set that is Dolby Vision and HLG capable.

[Penton-Man]

"Displays, Displays, Displays!"
There are two ways to attend this meeting: in person or vis-à-vis webinar….
https://www.smpte.org/sections/new-york

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by batman2000

so i can get the upcoming e series sony and be fine then

Looking forward to your unboxing pics.

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

I think it would also behoove the BBC to publicly publish in layman’s language more as to the merits (versatility ) of HLG with viewing under non reference viewing conditions, expanding upon the ‘non reference’ part of this ITU contribution….https://www.itu.int/md/R15-WP6C-C-0141/en , i.e. what/how much correlation does their scientific testing show with low as opposed to high ambient lighting.

Everything they’ve shown publicly so far has been characterized by test layouts with a background illuminated with a 5 nits CIE D65 illuminant measuring the ambient lighting to be 1.15 lux perpendicular to the screen with this lighting.

As diagrammed in their contribution…..

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

I’m trying to recall who?, back in the day, first (the originator) utilized that pentagonal diagrammatic illustration for next-gen video. I’m thinking someone from either NHK or Sony. Now every company seems to be using that pentagon (or updated versions of it ) for illustrative purposes.

[HeatEquation]

Any news on Dynamic HDR10 and when we might see it on the 2016 Samsung TVs via firmware?

[Richard Paul]

The German website Heise has reported that Denon/Marantz will release firmware updates for several AV receiver models to add support for Dolby Vision and HLG.

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meld...e-3614979.html

Originally Posted by HeatEquation

Any news on Dynamic HDR10 and when we might see it on the 2016 Samsung TVs via firmware?

I don't think we are going to hear anything official until HDMI 2.1 is released and that could take several months.

[DanBa]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

The German website Heise has reported that Denon/Marantz will release firmware updates for several AV receiver models to add support for Dolby Vision and HLG.

https://www.heise.de/newsticker/meld...e-3614979.html

I am confused about the additional support for Dolby Vision.

[PeterTHX]

Originally Posted by DanBa

I am confused about the additional support for Dolby Vision.

Just making sure it can pass thru. Which isn't hard since the metadata is HDMI 1.4 compatible.

[puddy77]

Originally Posted by DanBa

I am confused about the additional support for Dolby Vision.

Originally Posted by PeterTHX

Just making sure it can pass thru. Which isn't hard since the metadata is HDMI 1.4 compatible.

Yeah, the article says DV should work through HDMI 1.4b, but is having problems through receivers and soundbars. I think this is addressing the problems people are having with Chromecast Ultras. They get DV when hooked up directly to displays, but only get HDR10 when connected through receivers.

[FilmFreakosaurus]

As always, Denon-Marantz screws over owners of their 2015 models with 2.0a HDMI chips (more than likely the exact same ones as in their 2016 models).

[DanBa]

"Phasing in Ultra High Definition
UHDTV is the higher resolution and otherwise improved extension of HDTV, for which DVB has developed consumer delivery formats for broadcast and broadband. It may eventually become the `normal` form of television. UHDTV was first specified in 2012 with the ITU-R Recommendation BT.2020. Its options included two levels of spatial resolution: 8 Megapixels (aka 4K) and 33 Megapixels (aka 8K), sometimes called respectively UHD-1 and UHD-2. DVB is currently focusing on UHD-1.



DVB UHD-1 Phase 1
DVB responded to its members’ demands, which initially were for a 4K system without other potential features such as High Dynamic Range, High Frame Rate, or Next Generation Audio. In 2014 DVB agreed the specification for DVB UHD-1 Phase 1, which was first used by DirecTV later in the year. DVB Members expressed the wish for additional features to be included in the next consumer delivery formats, to be available in later years, DVB UHD-1 Phase 2.

DVB UHD-1 Phase 2: adding HDR and HFR
DVB Members plan different timescales for the introduction of UHD-1 Phase 2 services. One group needs a system which includes High Dynamic Range (HDR) capability for services from 2017, and a second group needs a system that also includes High Frame Rate (HFR) for services from 2019. The DVB Phase 2 specification, enabling both, was agreed in 2016..."
https://twitter.com/DVB_Project/stat...95506883428352

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by Richard Paul

The German....

I was inspired by this commercial….”Born the Hard Way”, because although not of German descent, two of my brightest and most caring (to others) colleagues are Iranians (here on temporary visas). Anyway, given the type of realistic imagery (perhaps even worthy of inclusion into the JCTVC HDR Common Test Condition dataset used by Standards organizations for, among other things, to test display mapping), a colorist could do wonders (for instance, on the bright side, with the fire and sparks) producing an HDR version of this YouTube which has gone viral…..

Budweiser 2017 Super Bowl Commercial | “Born The Hard Way� - YouTube

Portions of the commercial reminded me a bit of the indoor scenes in the bar in the short film that Canon debuted at NAB 2015 that they were showing on their 2,000 nit prototype monitor, short film was Trick Shot….

Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UFAE...utu.be&t=0m20s

[Penton-Man]

Originally Posted by DanBa

High Frame Rate (HFR) for services from 2019

Looking forward to it, given its inherent advantage…. https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...t#post13120232