HDR Discussion Thread - Page 380 - Blu-ray Forum

Penton-Man · 12-09-2018, 02:07 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

(I know what it is Salty, I'm just ****ing with them. Don't tell them though, that'll spoil it.)

Hey, you can’t fool me, I can easily read that chicken scratch ^

because I’ve got a fancy projection system and glasses like Mr. Rate…

P.S.
Yo, LordoftheRings, what band did 'Mr. Rate' play for?

Penton-Man · 12-09-2018, 02:12 AM

Geoff, as more follow-up to my 5G post on the previous page, what does the 4th word in the body of this article mean, I’m referring to the r-word. Is that some type of British mayonnaise? - https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/tech/...134860.article

Penton-Man · 12-09-2018, 05:06 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

....Tom and Christopher have carried on the awareness mission about motion interpolation which originated here - https://www.change.org/p/hdtv-manufa...g-on-all-hdtvs

Today the petition has been reactivated for signing.

More on the recent topic of the presence of motion smoothing -

“Also, the TV inexplicably had motion smoothing turned on, which I am truly glad Kubrick was never around to witness.” - https://www.theverge.com/circuitbrea...k-tv-nhk-japan

Penton-Man · 12-09-2018, 05:15 PM

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Originally Posted by puddy77

Qualcomm says their new Snapdragon 855 is capable of both recording and playback of 4k60p HDR10+ (besides 5G, HDR gaming, and other upgrades). And that one phone will have that functionality in 2019. Attached are screencaps from their keynote livestream.

Supplement to ^ for those who prefer watching video clips with the presenters - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lf3dsBCFp5Y#t=2h0m22s

Waboman · 12-09-2018, 05:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hey, you can’t fool me, I can easily read that chicken scratch ^

because I’ve got a fancy projection system

That's right, I heard you're running dual VPL-VW5000ES projectors. Nice!

amoergosum · 12-09-2018, 06:20 PM

Are we gonna be seeing UHD Blu-rays which include both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ ?

FilmFreakosaurus · 12-09-2018, 06:30 PM

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Originally Posted by amoergosum

Are we gonna be seeing UHD Blu-rays which include both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ ?

I doubt you will see an HDR10+ base layer on a Dolby Vision disc. The studio would then have to pay fees to two different companies rather than one or the other.

mrtickleuk · 12-09-2018, 07:15 PM

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Originally Posted by FilmFreakosaurus

I doubt you will see an HDR10+ base layer on a Dolby Vision disc. The studio would then have to pay fees to two different companies rather than one or the other.

Consider that some titles are dolby vision and some are not. Next, the HDR10+ "cost" is not per-title but a single fee.

It only needs a studio to require one HDR10+ title, to then make it "free" for HDR10+ to be on every following disc.

Once that's happened, they would continue to take their "shall this be dolby vision or not" decisions as before, adding dolby vision or not to the free HDR10+ base layer of each disc. Surely...?

avs commenter · 12-09-2018, 08:50 PM

I’ve been comparing a lot of SDR, hdr10, and DV content lately.

Hdr10 is almost like an instagram filter that makes the colors really pop. Can really look great and demo worthy depending on the content. DV tones it down slightly and makes the image more consistent. I can see the advantages of both formats. I’m a big DV guy but I can see why the casual viewer would prefer HDR10 or not have a preference at all.

Geoff D · 12-09-2018, 09:57 PM

HDR10 and DV are virtually identical on my system, I detect no differences in colour at all because I'm running the same white balance calibration on both e.g.

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

The mighty Lee Van Cleef. NO HE'S NOT *THAT* RED, IT'S JUST THE CAMERA. Again, framing is very similar, doesn't look off to me, and the third photo is a bonus round, showing the HDR10 version. Nope, I can't see a difference between the DV and the HDR10 either.

[Show spoiler]

but DV has a slightly more nuanced effect on the TV's lighting system, I get less of the 'blobs' of the backlighting going bonkers in darker scenes for example.

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Geoff, as more follow-up to my 5G post on the previous page, what does the 4th word in the body of this article mean, I’m referring to the r-word. Is that some type of British mayonnaise? - https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/tech/...134860.article

I must be thick because I don't understand which word you're referring to.

Staying Salty · 12-09-2018, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

I must be thick because I don't understand which word you're referring to.

As HDR will “revolutionise”, transform, alter dramatically, shake up, turn upside down the home video insustry.

LordoftheRings · 12-09-2018, 10:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Hey, you can’t fool me, I can easily read that chicken scratch ^

because I’ve got a fancy projection system and glasses like Mr. Rate…

Shooter Levon Helm as Mr Rate - YouTube

P.S.
Yo, LordoftheRings, what band did 'Mr. Rate' play for?

The Band of course.

Penton-Man · 12-10-2018, 12:03 AM

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Originally Posted by Waboman

That's right, I heard you're running dual VPL-VW5000ES projectors. Nice!

If I won a big power ball and mega lotto, this is a toy I would really like to have…. https://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/art...t-fighter.html

Penton-Man · 12-10-2018, 12:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Staying Salty

As HDR will “revolutionise”, transform, alter dramatically, shake up, turn upside down the home video insustry.

Exactly, I don’t know if that’s cockney, geordie or all Brits use that strangely spelled word. And I do my best to keep up with what they say across the pond, especially at football stadiums with regards to other topics too, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndiAasLgkLM#t=1s

Penton-Man · 12-10-2018, 12:14 AM

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Originally Posted by LordoftheRings

The Band of course.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4rpR...ature=youtu.be

Correctomundo

…..

Penton-Man · 12-10-2018, 12:21 AM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...e#post15560763

^ Flashback Friday, now illustrated in the cockpit, the optical block separated from the camera –>

For you camera geeks reading, people are rating the Venice at EI 400 with a latitude in the highlights of 4 stops and 2.5 in the shadows which is ~ 6.5 stops beyond the dynamic range of the charts.

on a mobile human support system leveraging the powerful features of the Sony Venice with the flexibility of a DSLR –

Penton-Man · 12-10-2018, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

As for earning my keep, we can't all be friends with every superstar telephone pole and palm tree in town

and decorated Christmas tree for the holiday season –

Geoff D · 12-10-2018, 12:36 AM

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Originally Posted by Penton-Man

Exactly, I don’t know if that’s cockney, geordie or all Brits use that strangely spelled word. And I do my best to keep up with what they say across the pond, especially at football stadiums with regards to other topics too, e.g. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ndiAasLgkLM#t=1s

You've never heard of the word "revolutionise". No question mark because I'm not aksing a question, I'm stating it in disbelief. Or is it the z being replaced with an s that's throwing you off again?

Penton-Man · 12-10-2018, 12:45 AM

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Originally Posted by Geoff D

see post #7581 at the top of the last page.

Penton-Man · 12-10-2018, 12:54 AM

follow-up to the CIC - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...c#post15743247

this is an extract from a blog by a color scientist (Jeremie G.) who attended the ^ conference in Vancouver –

“Shane Mario is a colleague of Timo’s that started the workshop. He has many roles and experiences from Sr. Production Engineer, Producer and Colorist part of Dolby Laboratories’ Advanced Technology Group since 2010. One of his tasks is to go beyond creating HDR test charts and help develop storytelling in HDR.

The new HDR language and grammar is an important new realm. These new terms will change how people make movies, how they tell stories with light, shadow and images. It’s a valuable and rare skill to be able to talk to scientists and artists and this is the world Shane bridges daily. During his talk Shane presented his new Temporally based HDR light response technique called “The Thomas” as used in his short movie One Way Ticket. Here he linked audience adaptation, physical reactions and emotional responses to the story by using temporally based lighting scheme (the Thomas). It was interesting how we react to change of illumination, basically story telling with HDR directly crafting the audience reactions not only on an emotional level but a physical one too…. to be interesting, HDR has to embrace temporal and psychophysiological aspects only available in HDR.”

I think Shane’s been hanging out some with Poppy.

12-09-2018, 02:12 AM	#7582
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	Geoff, as more follow-up to my 5G post on the previous page, what does the 4th word in the body of this article mean, I’m referring to the r-word. Is that some type of British mayonnaise? - https://www.broadcastnow.co.uk/tech/...134860.article

12-09-2018, 06:20 PM	#7586
amoergosum Blu-ray Samurai Top contributor Member since:Feb 2011 4K collection:171 Blu-ray collection:820 Trading Score:9	Are we gonna be seeing UHD Blu-rays which include both Dolby Vision and HDR10+ ?

12-09-2018, 08:50 PM	#7589
avs commenter Blu-ray Samurai Member since:Apr 2018 Trading Score:8	I’ve been comparing a lot of SDR, hdr10, and DV content lately. Hdr10 is almost like an instagram filter that makes the colors really pop. Can really look great and demo worthy depending on the content. DV tones it down slightly and makes the image more consistent. I can see the advantages of both formats. I’m a big DV guy but I can see why the casual viewer would prefer HDR10 or not have a preference at all.

12-10-2018, 12:54 AM	#7600
Penton-Man Retired Hollywood Insider Member since:Apr 2007	follow-up to the CIC - https://forum.blu-ray.com/showthread...c#post15743247 this is an extract from a blog by a color scientist (Jeremie G.) who attended the ^ conference in Vancouver – “Shane Mario is a colleague of Timo’s that started the workshop. He has many roles and experiences from Sr. Production Engineer, Producer and Colorist part of Dolby Laboratories’ Advanced Technology Group since 2010. One of his tasks is to go beyond creating HDR test charts and help develop storytelling in HDR. The new HDR language and grammar is an important new realm. These new terms will change how people make movies, how they tell stories with light, shadow and images. It’s a valuable and rare skill to be able to talk to scientists and artists and this is the world Shane bridges daily. During his talk Shane presented his new Temporally based HDR light response technique called “The Thomas” as used in his short movie One Way Ticket. Here he linked audience adaptation, physical reactions and emotional responses to the story by using temporally based lighting scheme (the Thomas). It was interesting how we react to change of illumination, basically story telling with HDR directly crafting the audience reactions not only on an emotional level but a physical one too…. to be interesting, HDR has to embrace temporal and psychophysiological aspects only available in HDR.” I think Shane’s been hanging out some with Poppy.

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