Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Geoff D]

From a nostalgia POV it'd be nice if Fox never gave up the rights to Ep IV just to keep the Fox fanfare on there because it's the one that started it all. I'm not so precious that I can't live without it on the Star Wars movies because I identify the Fox fanfare with a great many other movies too, but keeping it just on the original would be kinda sweet.

[Arawn]

Originally Posted by dvdmike

Fox and Disney like money

You know who else liked money?

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Pure speculation here...

I'm assuming the master you are referring to is the one that was noted on Reliance's website under one of their employees' resumes that stated 4K "restoration" on Star Wars. This was around 2012 I believe - seemingly around or before the same time Lucas sold to Disney. It seems highly unlikely Lucas would have remastered the unaltered trilogy, so maybe Disney has decided to so but that would require another more work and another new master. Again, who knows, but just something I was thinking (wishing) about.

There is a trailer they had and the footage used was not from the old garbage master

[PowellPressburger]

It seems to me the FOX logo and Fanfare for the original Star Wars films is so iconic even if Disney eventually distributes them I would hope they stay intact. They can put a disney logo preceding the original logos but I think it would seem almost naked without the FOX logo.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by HeavyHitter

Pure speculation here...

I'm assuming the master you are referring to is the one that was noted on Reliance's website under one of their employees' resumes that stated 4K "restoration" on Star Wars. This was around 2012 I believe - seemingly around or before the same time Lucas sold to Disney. It seems highly unlikely Lucas would have remastered the unaltered trilogy, so maybe Disney has decided to so but that would require another more work and another new master. Again, who knows, but just something I was thinking (wishing) about.

Sure, but the Disney buy-out didn't happen on a whim, even though it went through in late 2012 you can bet the feelers were out well before that. Lucas deliberately set the train in motion re: the sequel trilogy to attract investors (there were rumours about lunches with Hamill, Fisher etc that were more than just 'catch up' dates) and getting the basics done for the OT restoration (e.g. perhaps Lowry were just given the 1997 SE conformed negatives to work on) was probably also part of the sweetener.

[dvdmike]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Sure, but the Disney buy-out didn't happen on a whim, even though it went through in late 2012 you can bet the feelers were out well before that. Lucas deliberately set the train in motion re: the sequel trilogy to attract investors (there were rumours about lunches with Hamill, Fisher etc that were more than just 'catch up' dates) and getting the basics done for the OT restoration (e.g. perhaps Lowry were just given the 1997 SE conformed negatives to work on) was probably also part of the sweetener.

[ZoetMB]

Originally Posted by Scarface32

Wasn't the only reason the mono set was released, is because people hated the stereo set?

By the way, I remember walking into a PathMark in the 1980s and picking up a vinyl album for $4.50

That was probably a deleted album (did it have a corner cut or a bullet hole?), but even if it wasn't, $4.50 in 1980 is $12.99 in 2015 dollars.

But that's not the point. LPs these days are a boutique niche business. There have been individual classic albums that have sold over 10 million albums in the U.S. The entire business for the first six months of this year was 9 million albums.

Much higher quality and thicker (usually 180 gram) vinyl is used these days and the packaging is usually much higher quality as well. Vinyl used to be pressed in large factories. Now it's much smaller operations. And since no one is manufacturing cutting lathes anymore, the only lathes are the ones that exist and the owners of those lathes are charging a premium to use them.

And LPs (as well as fancy CD boxed sets) are about the only way the labels can make money today and they're going for it. There aren't too many people aside from collectors buying physical music product anymore. So the labels are going to take advantage of those collectors while they can.

There's a difference between being expensive and being overpriced. Is some of it overpriced? Sure. But that's the price we pay for free or cheap downloads and now the move to free or low-cost subscription streaming. The labels are doing what they have to do to survive. And this is one of the few ways that artists actually get paid something.

[steve_dave]

Originally Posted by PowellPressburger

It seems to me the FOX logo and Fanfare for the original Star Wars films is so iconic even if Disney eventually distributes them I would hope they stay intact. They can put a disney logo preceding the original logos but I think it would seem almost naked without the FOX logo.

The digital versions of Episodes I-III, V, and VI are missing the Fox fanfare as they are "silently" distributed by Walt Disney Pictures. They just start with the Lucasfilm leader.

[Geoff D]

Yep, Disney junked the Fox logo just about as fast as they could. There's zero chance of them wanting to actually keep it on there when it's their turn for the other distribution media (DVD/BD, theatrical etc). That said, there will NOT be a Disney logo either, just the LFL one with their own fanfare.

I wonder if we'll get a piece of new music for the LFL logo in front of Ep VII, I hope it's not the digital one with the music tracked in from Star Wars. [edit] Doesn't have to be music, I'd love to hear something like the probe droid signal from Empire, maybe they could change it to something different for every film?

[Nailwraps]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Yep, Disney junked the Fox logo just about as fast as they could. There's zero chance of them wanting to actually keep it on there when it's their turn for the other distribution media (DVD/BD, theatrical etc).

And that is what concerns me.

Look, say what you will, but I believe Fox co-owns Episode IV, They co-produced, they co-financed it, like I said. But just that film, the other films they merely distribute, this you and I know. Still, they qualify as a Fox films and I myself I['m glad that Fox will at least keep IV.

I'm getting off track here. Anyway, if Warner can keep the MGM logos for the pre-86 library, I don't see any reason why Disney would want to remove the Fox logo and fanfare come 2020. They know they'll tick a lot of us off if they do, so I'm sure they'll take the necessary measures.

But yeah, I do wish Fox would throw a spanner in the works and try to renew distribution rights for the other 5 films. Either way, Fox logo and fanfare present and accounted for, or no deal.


Incidentally, do the digital versions of I, II, III, V, and VI have the "Distributed by Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation" credit at the end?

[Trekkie313]

The old set isn't discontinued is it? Sorry, I've been out of the loop on a lot of release lately.

[Geoff D]

Originally Posted by Nailwraps

And that is what concerns me.

Look, say what you will, but I believe Fox co-owns Episode IV, They co-produced, they co-financed it, like I said. But just that film, the other films they merely distribute, this you and I know. Still, they qualify as a Fox films and I myself I['m glad that Fox will at least keep IV.

I'm getting off track here. Anyway, if Warner can keep the MGM logos for the pre-86 library, I don't see any reason why Disney would want to remove the Fox logo and fanfare come 2020. They know they'll tick a lot of us off if they do, so I'm sure they'll take the necessary measures.

But yeah, I do wish Fox would throw a spanner in the works and try to renew distribution rights for the other 5 films. Either way, Fox logo and fanfare present and accounted for, or no deal.


Incidentally, do the digital versions of I, II, III, V, and VI have the "Distributed by Twentieth Century Fox Film Corporation" credit at the end?

Dude, Disney have already done away with the Fox logos on the digital versions that they control, why would you possibly think they'll treat the other iterations any differently after the Fox deal expires? You're as stubborn about hanging on to that fantasy as you are about the ownership issue.

[edit] Seriously, get out the Blu-rays and look at the copyright notice on the rim for each disc. Star Wars reads "© 1977-2011 Lucasfilm Ltd", the only sign of Fox's involvement is the "20th Century Fox Home Entertainment" logo, important part bolded. Yes, they produced it, yes they financed it (no "co" about it, although Lucas set up ILM with his own money), but the ownership was later handed over to Uncle George because he's an evil genius of a negotiator, however he wasn't a total bastard: he let them keep the crumbs of distributing it in perpetuity.

[gigan72]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

The old set isn't discontinued is it? Sorry, I've been out of the loop on a lot of release lately.

Not sure, but I think it is. The only real change though is it's now a regular Amaray case with a slipcover.

[Trekkie313]

Originally Posted by gigan72

Not sure, but I think it is. The only real change though is it's now a regular Amaray case with a slipcover.

Damn it I don't want to pay $85-90 to be able to watch the special features that should've been included in the individual trilogy sets.

[Nailwraps]

Originally Posted by Geoff D

Dude, Disney have already done away with the Fox logos on the digital versions that they control, why would you possibly think they'll treat the other iterations any differently after the Fox deal expires?

For all we know, they could've done that just for the streaming version only. It's a lot like Ella Enchanted; the current Miramax logo on streaming and (cable) TV, the original custom-made version everywhere else.

Originally Posted by Geoff D

You're as stubborn about hanging on to that fantasy as you are about the ownership issue.

Yes, I know, you have every right to say so. I should probably stop before I get banned.

I'm going to stop, but I finish with this; my points and opinions still stand.

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by Trekkie313

Damn it I don't want to pay $85-90 to be able to watch the special features that should've been included in the individual trilogy sets.

The best features are only on the DVDs anyway.

[DJMcNiff]

Interesting StarWars.com article about the trailers for the OT films. The article is the first part of what is going to be a multi-part article about the Star Wars trailers.

Star Wars Trailers Part 1: The Original Trilogy

[Geoff D]

I loved this SW.com interview with Dennis Muren about Return of the Jedi too, it's from a couple of years ago but he basically reiterates that the attitude towards making it was more "let's get it out the door", he hardly ever saw Marquand, and that as much as he loves CG when done right (as do I) he still loves to see practical effects wherever possible, even if they don't quite succeed. Kinda puts into perspective the continual insistence of some people that "it's ALL fake! There's nothing wrong with CG!" when one of the godfathers of CG VFX (Abyss, T2, JP, SW SE's the prequels, etc) says otherwise.

[edit] Yes, he's still a big proponent of CG but makes it clear that he's not impressed with latter-day stuff because there simply isn't the time and/or money there to refine it into something special, which is my problem with CG in a nutshell: AMAZING tool when used right, but when it's not it looks faker than any practical effect would ever do, so there's always something to be said for getting a balance between the two IMO.

http://www.starwars.com/news/intervi...rn-of-the-jedi

[hthomas20]

For someone who hasn't gotten any of the movies on Blu Ray yet, would you suggest for going for the complete set with new cover or go after the steelbooks?

[StingingVelvet]

Originally Posted by hthomas20

For someone who hasn't gotten any of the movies on Blu Ray yet, would you suggest for going for the complete set with new cover or go after the steelbooks?

They're all the same discs for the movies, you can just go with whatever looks prettiest to you. If you get the steels you won't get the extras discs, but they're pretty lacking anyway.