Star Wars: The Complete Saga (1977-2005)

[Brightstar]

If done right star wars will look great in 3D and fans know that.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Beast

Yeah, makes sense to attach it to Red Tails. I wasn't even aware that was coming out so soon. The trailer looked damn good.

They had one trailer for it this past summer I think. It is coming out at a tough time of year, usually reserved for films studios cannot decide what to do with. Not basing Red Tails at all, just saying the studio may not know what to do with it. Is it an action movie? A docu-drama? A war movie? What exactly is it? It is also going to be sandwiched into the award season and arriving at the tail end of the Holiday movie season. Not the best place to be for a film. If they wanted to take full advantage of free marketing, it honestly should be released in Febuary during Black History month. Call it a missed oppurtunity (unless it is delayed of course).

I think the earliest you see TPM 3D trailer might be with the new Alvin and the Chimpmunks movie, as that seems to be Fox's big Holiday release.

[tigertron]

Originally Posted by Chordata

Holy Lord, you've already watched the BDs a collective 22 times since they were released?

I miss having free time.

Yeah, but I'm back at Uni now so my free time as been diminished.

[kurtlingle]

Originally Posted by svenge

EDIT: Didn't see your image, MCT, until after I posted mine. Great minds, eh?

Funny.

Without the PT, you really don't know who Anakin is.
Obviously, by ignoring the PT, you miss who DV came from.

I don't think someone can fully understand the OT without the PT. If you can't see Anakin, then his redemption won't be as deep/fulfilling/etc.

Anyway, there are 6 Star Wars movies (back to the original point) and all 6 are awesome!

[MrJoeKalel]

Anybody else having aspect ratio problems with the 9th disc? (I truly DO have problems, not just to keep my post on topic)

While I agree art is subjective and that 'thinking too much of it' is a way for people to say they're 'cool' or 'hip' or they 'get it' (even when they don't), there are things that can't be denied.

Annoying main characters:
TPM: Anakin
ANH: None

Annoying secondary characters:
TPM: Jar-Jar, all the Gungans
ANH: C3PO

Characters that act as if they were drunk:
TPM: Qui-Gon Jinn
ANH: Greedo

Interesting characters:
TPM: Qui-Gon Jinn, Darth Maul
ANH: Luke, Obi-Wan Kenobi, Han Solo , Darth Vader, Grand Moff Tarkin, Chewbacca

Non-human characters if kept without talking would've been better (like Chewbacca):
TPM: Gungans, especially Jar-Jar
ANH: None

Memorable deaths:
TPM: Darth Maul
ANH: Obi-Wan Kenobi, Uncle Owen, Aunt Beru

Memorable or interesting ships:
TPM: Droid control ship, the ship in which Qui-Gon and Obi-Wan get there at the beginning
ANH: Luke's landspeeder, Millennium Falcon, Death Star, Y-Wings (specially these), Y-Wings, TIE fighters

Ships that look fake when we already know they're fake:
TPM: Anakin's figher, the Queen's silver ship, the Bonga (or whatever it's called)
ANH: Only the '97 CGI additions

Well, keep reading for the next post, including the overall OT/PT comparison!

[mbfleming]

Originally Posted by Beast

*Chuckles* Great story. I'm sure we all have those movies that loved ones question our sanity over.

Mine's probably Rocky Horror Picture Show. My Brother doesn't understand why I like that movie at all. And passed on my old DVD copy.

Rocky Horror Picture Show received a full 4K restoration:

http://www.rockyhorror.com/participa...eblu_video.php

[dcowboy7]

Red Tails must be bad cause they are releasing it on the same weekend as the afc/nfc championship games the 2nd & 3rd most watched shows of the year.

+ doesnt phantom come out feb 9 so its not really less than 4 months.

[Beast]

Originally Posted by MrJoeKalel

While I agree art is subjective and that 'thinking too much of it' is a way for people to say they're 'cool' or 'hip' or they 'get it' (even when they don't), there are things that can't be denied.

There are things that can't be denied? Since when? It's all a matter of opinion.
If your big list was meant to be facts, what about the people who find whiny Luke annoying in ANH?

Also not sure how Owen and Beru have memorable deaths, since we don't see them die.
Seeing a couple smoldering skeletons is hardly a memorable death.

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

Funny.

Without the PT, you really don't know who Anakin is.
Obviously, by ignoring the PT, you miss who DV came from.

I don't think someone can fully understand the OT without the PT. If you can't see Anakin, then his redemption won't be as deep/fulfilling/etc.

Anyway, there are 6 Star Wars movies (back to the original point) and all 6 are awesome!

Seriously? From the OT we know that Vader is Anakin Skywalker- he is Luke and Leia's father. We know he was Obi-Wan's pupil, and that he later fought Obi-Wan Kenobi and lost. We know that he fell to the Dark Side thanks to the Emperor. We know he was a great pilot. We know that in the end, he was a loving father who sacrificed himself in order to save his son and the galaxy.

What else is there to understand? Anything we get from the PT is further backstory, but there are no essential elements, with the possible exception that

[Show spoiler]he ended up causing the death of his wife

.

You can maybe argue that there are other important reveals (after all, importance is a matter of opinion) but you can't argue that we already knew a great deal just from the OT and nothing else is "required" to understand him.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Beast

There are things that can't be denied? Since when? It's all a matter of opinion.
If your big list was meant to be facts, what about the people who find whiny Luke annoying in ANH?

Also not sure how Owen and Beru have memorable deaths, since we don't see them die.
Seeing a couple smoldering skeletons is hardly a memorable death.

He should have phrased it as 'the moment Luke discovers their bodies as memorable.' Afterall, it is a terrific scene. Muted acting and terrific music. Maybe he should think about what their deaths signify instead of just calling them 'memorable.'

If he wanted to list another 'memorable' death in ANH, howabout Biggs? He is Luke's last connection to his childhood and sacrafices his life to save Luke. Basically a great metaphor for the Rebellion as they are willing to give their lives to save hope for the Galaxy. Also shows that there is now really no going back for Luke (hinted at with the deaths of Owen and Beru) as everyone from Tationee is gone (with the exception of Solo/Chewbacca).

The death of Darth Maul was not at all signifigant as the character served no true purpose in the film other than to be window dressing.

[Beast]

Agreed. It is the catalyst that kicks off Luke embracing his destiny. That point I can agree with.

Agreed. The Death of Biggs is a decent moment. Actually improved by the reunion scene with Luke and Biggs added to the Special Edition. I do kind of wish the second half of the Tatooine scene with Luke and Biggs would have been added back to the film so we got a bit more of the friendly relationship between the pair in the film though. Since the audience really doesn't know enough about Luke/Biggs to really care about his death. We don't really need to see the other scenes from that deleted section though. It might have made the death of Biggs a bit more of an emotional moment.

Also agreed about the Death of Maul. Since it's much like Boba Fett's death. Qui-Gon's death.... sure. Maul's, no way.

Maul's character and his death are really only there for the Jedi to realize that the Sith have returned. And to leave Palpatine needing a replacement.
And I also think it shows that Darth Sidious is a terrible teacher, hence why he has better success corrupting and turning Jedi, such as Dooku and Anakin.

[Shaft Windu]

Originally Posted by kurtlingle

That would be SW fans? No? Those of us who like the PT are just SW fans --- we like all 6 movies.

I have given up to understand this... Apparently to some folks in here you are the biggest fan the less movies you like. If you just like "The Empire Strikes Back" you are the biggest fan!

[aramis109]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

I have given up to understand this... Apparently to some folks in here you are the biggest fan the less movies you like. If you just like "The Empire Strikes Back" you are the biggest fan!

However the converse is absolutely true eh? If you like all the movies you're a bigger fan?


...The whole argument over who's a bigger fan is idiotic.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Beast

Agreed. It is the catalyst that kicks off Luke embracing his destiny. That point I can agree with.

Agreed. The Death of Biggs is a decent moment. Actually improved by the reunion scene with Luke and Biggs added to the Special Edition. I do kind of wish the second half of the Tatooine scene with Luke and Biggs would have been added back to the film so we got a bit more of the friendly relationship between the pair in the film though. Since the audience really doesn't know enough about Luke/Biggs to really care about his death. We don't really need to see the other scenes from that deleted section though. It might have made the death of Biggs a bit more of an emotional moment.

Also agreed about the Death of Maul. Since it's much like Boba Fett's death. Qui-Gon's death.... sure. Maul's, no way.

Maul's character and his death are really only there for the Jedi to realize that the Sith have returned. And to leave Palpatine needing a replacement.
And I also think it shows that Darth Sidious is a terrible teacher, hence why he has better success corrupting and turning Jedi, such as Dooku and Anakin.

Quite frankly the character looked cool, and we all had a nerd-gasm when we all saw the double bladed lightsaber, but he served no other purpose than killing Qui-Gonn. He was cool looking and sold a ton of toys.

It would have just been easier to use Dooku right away (imo). Would have added a little to Palpatine's ultimate betrayal in ROTS and also it would have made him seem more dangerous to actually see him kill someone whom we would later discover to have been one his own Pupils. He's a Sith dammit! LOL, let's see him kill someone (in the films).

[balthazar_bee]

Originally Posted by chip75

As for the Padme Corde dialogue at the beginning of Clones, I never liked it.

Padme hasn't done her duty yet. That little flip in the dialogue always stood out to me. The ''I've failed you" bit kind of made sense as her sacrifice saved Padme (even though the explosion could have killed anyone).

I'd say it's the single worst scene in the entire series. And by quite a margin, too.

I knew AOTC would be (politely) a "mixed bag" at best as soon as I saw it -- namely, five minutes into the first screening in 2002. I remember it being a sad moment; with all the hope that episode 2 would improve the reputation of the series, we slam headfirst into the absolute nadir of the six-film progression. It contains more clunkers than seems possible given the length of the scene.

Typho's "I guess I was wrong; there was no danger at all," is howlingly bad dialogue, horrifyingly delivered. It makes Hamill look like Sir Larry, and Lucas circa 1977 look like Shakespeare.

Something about the fog -- rather than masking the potentially artificial look of the CG environment -- actually seems to reveal just how phony-baloney the surroundings are. "Coruscant -- the entire planet is one big green screen."

Plus, it doesn't really make sense. I don't understand by what logic Corde has failed; she saved the senator by standing in for her, and in the process lost her life. This is failure?

Also, why does Corde have Natalie Portman's voice ten seconds earlier aboard the ship? Yeah, yeah -- we're supposed to believe it's her, and this facilitates that deception, but it's flat out cheating of a kind that isn't really cinematically excusable.

Finally, Portman -- who is a terrific actress, I think we can all agree -- gives probably the worst performance by a lead actor in any Star Wars film (which may be saying something), and it all starts with this scene. To be fair, it all starts with this dialogue, which can't help but inspire lackluster deliveries -- so let's say it's the worst written part in any Star Wars film, even worse than Anakin v.1 or 2.

I'd forgotten how much I loathe that scene; I've studiously avoided thinking about it for almost ten years. Then I saw it again on blu-ray and it all came back. Sorry for venting a decade's worth of spleen. But it could have been a great scene, great performance, great movie, etc. with some reasonably simple fixes. So much lost potential.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Shaft Windu

I have given up to understand this... Apparently to some folks in here you are the biggest fan the less movies you like. If you just like "The Empire Strikes Back" you are the biggest fan!

Who cares? Why even respond to it or even try to understand it? I like the OT much more than the PT, but don't consider myself anymore or less a fan than you. Its a dumb argument. You are wasting your time addressing it. There are much better things to talk about with Star Wars than "I'm a bigger nerd than you are..."

[Beast]

Heh. I never really understood the fandom for Darth Maul. It was like the fandom for Boba Fett.
And yeah, he sold a boatload of toys and merchandise. And still continues to do so. Which still baffles me.

And yeah, I would have liked to have seen more of Dooku. And him rather than Maul in TPM would have been interesting. Especially if he defeats Obi-Wan as well but doesn't kill him and then makes his escape. But then his role in AotC would have had to be significantly altered. Since his attempt to seduce Obi-Wan to join him and destroy Sidious together wouldn't have come off as genuine. In the end, it works best the way it was done. At least we get more Dooku love from the Clone Wars series. They've done a lot with both Dooku and Grievous. The recent Grievous/Gungan episode was very good.

[Show spoiler]Still was rather shocked at General Grievous murdering Captain Tarpals so brutally in that episode. Always loved Tarpals' character design.

[Jay444]

Originally Posted by Beast

But then his role in AotC would have had to be significantly altered. Since his attempt to seduce Obi-Wan to join him and destroy Sidious together wouldn't have come off as genuine. In the end, it works best the way it was done. At least we get more Dooku love from the Clone Wars series. They've done a lot with both Dooku and Grievous. The recent Grievous/Gungan episode was very good.

I dunno, if you think about it Vader tried to get Luke to join him twice (and once after kicking his @$$). So, Dooku could have killed Qui-Gonn and done a number on Kenobi as well all the while preserving his attempt to reason with him in ATOC. I just think they could have accomplished more with the Dooku/Tryanus character is all.

[dcowboy7]

To me the worst delivered dialogue scene is in empire where leia & han are talking about going to see lando.

She just mumbles thru the entire thing:


LEIA: What did you have in mind for your next move?

HAN: Well, if they follow standard Imperial procedure, they'll dump
their garbage before they go to light-speed, then we just float away.

LEIA: With the rest of the garbage. Then what?

HAN: Then we've got to find a safe port somewhere around here. Got any
ideas?

LEIA: No. Where are we?

HAN: The Anoat system.

LEIA: Anoat system. There's not much there.

HAN: No. Well, wait. This is interesting. Lando.

LEIA: Lando system?

HAN: Lando's not a system, he's a man. Lando Calrissian. He's a card
player, gambler, scoundrel. You'd like him.

LEIA: Thanks.

HAN: Bespin. It's pretty far, but I think we can make it.

LEIA: (reading from the computer) A mining colony?

HAN: Yeah, a Tibanna gas mine. Lando conned somebody out of it. We go
back a long way, Lando and me.

LEIA: Can you trust him?

HAN: No. But he has no love for the Empire, I can tell you that.

[Beast]

Yeah, that exchange of Dialogue from Empire always came off very wooden and soulless.

Lucas really needed to pop up and request them to do it "Faster and More Intense" there.